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    Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 15:17
I am missing one order. Please send me a mail with it by tomorrow at 9:00 -5 GMT.

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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Oct-2005 at 17:47
I am still missing the order, and I am trying to work out some arrangement with the player.

I will publish the results on Monday morning.
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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 11:14
Jalisco Lancer is officially out of the game. Until we get a replacement, we will vote his moves in the real game. I will move his units in the practice game.


I will start the real game next week.
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  Quote Maju Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 11:24
Do we have an adjudication? 

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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2005 at 08:12

Originally posted by hugoestr


I will start the real game next week.

Could we have a final list of the players/countries/e-mail addresses?

(Please?)

 

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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2005 at 11:08
We don't have one player i believe...
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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Oct-2005 at 13:44
Yes, we are missing one.

And we will have an adjudication and winter builds for the practice game. I meant to include this in my last letter, but I somehow didn't.

Once we are done with the practice group, I will send the current list of players, before the real game starts.

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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Oct-2005 at 09:47
Results:

Retreats due tomorrow at 9:00AM -6:00 GMT.

The March of Times:
France and Spain enter into major conflict: Spain, rules Navarre; France controls Lorraine; mutual armies must retreat.


Denmark:
A Jutland - Holstein
A Zealand - Jutland
A Scania - Sea of Bornholm (*Fails*)
F Vestlandet - Norwegian Sea

England:
F North Atlantic Ocean - Scotland
F English Channel Convoys A Cornwall - Brittany
A Cornwall - Brittany

France:
A Savoy Hold
A France Comte - Lorraine
F Navarre - Portugal (*Dislodged*)
A Champagne Supports A France Comte - Lorraine

HabsburgEmpire:
A Western Hungary - Serbia (*Bounce*)
A Austria - Western Hungary (*Fails*)
A Bavaria Hold

OttomanEmpire:
A Syria - Armenia
A Armenia - Azerbaijan
F Greece - Constantinople
A Illyria - Serbia (*Bounce*)

Poland:
A Transylvania Hold
A Livonia - Prussia
A Volhynia - Bessarabia

Russia:
A Voronezj - Crimea
A Moscow - Central Asia
A Novgorod Hold

Spain:
A Rome - Naples
A Castille - Navarre
F Portugal Supports A Castille - Navarre
A Lorraine Hold (*Dislodged*)

Sweden:
A Ingria, no move received
F Baltic Sea - Livonia
A Estonia Supports F Baltic Sea - Livonia
A Stockholm Hold


French F Navarre can retreat to Mid-Atlantic Ocean or Bay of
                Biscay or Gascony.
Spanish A Lorraine can retreat to Flanders or Westphalia or
                Hesse or Saxony.






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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Oct-2005 at 12:19

Retreat to Gascony was the message sent to the royal armies in Spain.

 

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  Quote Maju Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Oct-2005 at 12:58
I would like to make some technical or pedagogical comments, specially thinking on novices, using the current season as example:


Examples of wrong moves (notice that occasionally this may be intentionate, instead of a "hold"):
A Scania - Sea of Bornholm (*Fails*)
Obviously Armies can't swim, the troops can only make a visit to the beach but sailing across the sea is not possible for them unless convoyed by a fleet.

Yet maybe the intention of the Danish player was to order it to Zeeland and thought (wrongly) that there was a sea between them. No, in fact Zeeland/Scania act as Constantinople: they are the "land" (canal) between two seas and fleets must enter them to sail between the adjacent seas. But armies have no problem there. The straits are narrow enough to allow them to cross without dificulties (using barrages or local boats, we assume).
A Ingria, no move received
Well, in this case wasn't important surely, but some times forgetting to order a unit can be decissive. Check your orders before you click "send". 


Examples of questionable moves (technically ok but which could have given better results if played diferently):

A Rome - Naples
Spain abandoned his new acquisition without any need, losing a gain. Maybe the Spanish player was confused on when SCs are secured: they are always secured in the Fall season. Only what you have occupied when the winter comes counts as Newly acquired centers. A Rome holds would have been a much better order, specially considering that no unit was threatening Naples.

F Baltic Sea - Livonia
A Estonia Supports F Baltic Sea - Livonia
A Stockholm Hold
Here sweden was fighting against ghosts: it was rather previsible that Poland would order to Prussia (as he actually did) and, even if he ordered against Estonia, there was no risk (1 vs 1: the defender wins). Sweden would have use her fleet much better trying to capture an empty center such as Pomerania. F Baltic Sea - Pomerania would have do it but, probably, much better was:

A Stockholm - Pomerania
F Baltic Sea convoys A Stockholm - Pomerania

Using the season to practice convoys, getting a potentially better position in Germany (Brandenburg is at reach, it can threat Denmark or Poland, depending on circumstances, as well). The movement had been discussed earlier in the game topic, so I actually expected it to happen. With the actual Swede moves, this power doesn't grow in the first year, what seems to weaken its potential, specially because I feel that building a second fleet is essential for Sweden.

F Greece - Constantinople
It's maybe ok but... wouldn't have been better to build F Constantinople (Turkey also seems to need a second fleet) and send the Fleet to Ionian Sea, taking control of the most strategical Mediterranean Province?


An example of convoy:

Though if I would have been England I would have ordered diferently, specially in the Spring. The English player has provided us all with a good example of convoy that is worth to mention:
F English Channel Convoys A Cornwall - Brittany
A Cornwall - Brittany
You see the mechanics, don't you?


Two examples of dislodgements and retreats:

The French and Spanish players has shown us some good stuff on how close combat is. Each has won a territorial battle expelling the other from a province. Now the two have to send retreat orders for the affected units. Notice that retreats happen in the same regular turn and, not in this case but maybe in others, they can affect the winter status, if the unit can retreat to an open SC. Pay attention to the fact that "open" doesn't mean just that no unit is actully there but also that no battle has taken place in the previous turn.
 

Hope these comments are of use for you all. Whe we start the true game, I will only make comments with political intentions (unless it is a very technical thing).

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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Oct-2005 at 13:27
Correction:

I made a couple of mistakes in the moves. Sweden had convoyed to Livonia.

Here are the orders and new maps.


Denmark:
A Jutland - Holstein
A Zealand - Jutland
A Scania - Zealand
F Vestlandet - Norwegian Sea

England:
F North Atlantic Ocean - Scotland
F English Channel Convoys A Cornwall - Brittany
A Cornwall - Brittany

France:
A Savoy Hold
A France Comte - Lorraine
F Navarre - Portugal
A Champagne Supports A France Comte - Lorraine

HabsburgEmpire:
A Western Hungary - Serbia
A Austria - Western Hungary
A Bavaria Hold

OttomanEmpire:
A Syria - Armenia
A Armenia - Azerbaijan
F Greece - Constantinople
A Illyria - Serbia

Poland:
A Transylvania Hold
A Livonia - Prussia
A Volhynia - Bessarabia

Russia:
A Voronezj - Crimea
A Moscow - Central Asia
A Novgorod Hold

Spain:
A Rome - Naples
A Castille - Navarre
F Portugal Supports A Castille - Navarre
A Lorraine Hold

Sweden:
A Ingria Hold
F Baltic Sea Convoys A Stockholm - Livonia
A Estonia Supports A Stockholm - Livonia
A Stockholm - Livonia



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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Oct-2005 at 14:21
Yet another correction:

True move of Spain. Everything else is the same.

Spain:
A Rome - Tuscany
A Castille - Navarre
F Portugal Supports A Castille - Navarre
A Lorraine Hold (*Dislodged*)




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  Quote TheDiplomat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2005 at 05:54
My Lorraine army retreats to F.Co
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  Quote Kapikulu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2005 at 07:05
Hi there, I am back.I was not entering AE for a while but now I am regularly checking everyday, so I can take the control of Austria if you accept.
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2005 at 08:56
WTF? I answred yesterday that I will retreat to Gascony with my fleet... it seems i didn't post it.
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  Quote Maju Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2005 at 09:16
Originally posted by rider

WTF? I answred yesterday that I will retreat to Gascony with my fleet... it seems i didn't post it.


You did: it's up there, just under the original adjudication.

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  Quote Maju Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2005 at 09:24
Originally posted by TheDiplomat

My Lorraine army retreats to F.Co


You can't. You were attacked from Franche-Comte. You can retreat only to those provinces that fulfill the following requirements:
  • Are unoccupied by any other unit
  • Not the province from where you have been attacked (no, you can't retreat forward)
  • Not a province where a bounce (battle) has taken place in the inmediately previous movement (it's supposed to happen simultaneously, so you would fall under cross-fire)
It's a good idea that GM lists the provinces where armies can retreat to, for instance:

F Navarre can retreat to Gascony, Bay of Biscay, Mid Atlantic Ocean and OTB
A Lorraine can retreat to Flanders, Westfalia, Hessen, Saxony and OTB

OTB stands for off the board and it means that you can also voluntarily disband the unit (the only case out of Winter adjustments when this is posible).

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  Quote TheDiplomat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2005 at 04:53
Then I retreat to Flanders
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  Quote rider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2005 at 11:44
Sorry, I mixed things up and now i am half blind as well.. how couldn't I see the post???
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See next entry.

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