Slavic Warriors

 

What is the connection between Harald Hardrada and Variags?

 

That the Varangians were Scandinavians and not Slavs is all too easily proven: there are Old-Norse Runic inscriptions in Byzantium. And we have quite a lot of sources on Varangians, both Greek and Scandinavian, as they sometimes went back.

 

According to an anecdote, greatest Russian scientist Mihailo Lomonosov said "they derive the name of my own city Holmogori (city on the Hills, "Hills and Mountains" actually) from german word Holmgardia"

Second: Harald Hardrada was a Norwegian king, and Varjags lived on the south baltic coast (what is today Lituania and a bit bigger).

Third: the source you put here is crap. Why? In the time Harald Hardrada lived, Bisantium had a Car. Your source is just a bad transcription from middle ages.

Fourth: Sawyer is a nazist and a teutomaniak, he has ben convicted for nazistic exclamation in Britain not long ago. Keynes is a historian like the ones that made Enciklopedia Britanica (I think he wrote some Suplements as well).

Fifth: 200 years of reserch indeed has little relevance. Let me picture it to you this way: People were proving for 1500 years that the world is flat... Today we know it is not... Slowly we find new things.

Sixth: Bizantine and orient authors write quite a lot about the Jantar trade rute. You should read it and get an independant translator for it.

Yes, there is evidence of Vikings alongside Slavic rivers: a lot of swords, spear points, helmets and other weaponry and material. They also found two drakkars: one of them in the Volga, the other I don't know where. Reserchers even dug out remains and even graves. Most of them were on or near the banks of rivers... 95% of them had arrowpoints of Slavic origin in them or bone indications of mortal wounds... Yes they were there, but that doesn't prove that they controled the lands. Because from that evidence and some written Arabic and other texts there was someone waiting for them on the coasts... That's why they didn't go further inland. They would be stupid if they didn't try! There were rich cities a few miles inland! But there were also Slavic forts alongside the river (with unarguable architecture indicatind that they were built by Slavs)... Later, about 1200 they got ultimate trading permission from king Svjatoslav I (they were promitted trade with paing taxes at ports from about 920 anyway).

Seventh: I am not dismissive about your knowledge, you are obviously a (semy?)professional historian, but I think your knowledge about history of Estern Europe is a bit leaky... Ok. Let mi give you some more "bones to chew on". Read it a bit from a distance, but you'll get the picture:

Historical sources: 
Homer (9th century B. C.) records in Iliad  [1]   the Veneti in Paphlagonia as Enetoj (the Greek did not know the letter v).
Herodotus, historian (5th century B. C.), writes about Illyrian Veneti, about Veneti living around the lower stream of the Danube, and  finally about Veneti inhabiting the Northern Adriatic territory. [2]
Polibus (2th century B. C.) added to the description of events during the years 219 to 146 B. C., following: "The land to the Adriatic coast was mastered by another, very old folk, named Veneti ... They speak a different language as the Celts, but what their habbits and their clothing is concearned, they differ from them only slightly ... Veneti and Gonomani were persuaded by Roman representatives, to join the Romans". [3]
Demetrius of Scepsis, grammarian, archeologist (2nd century B. C.), mentions the capital of the Veneti (Enea) in Troas (Asia Minor). [4]
Strabo, historian, geographer (1st century B. C.), designates the (V)eneti in Paphlagonia as the major tribe moving towards Thrace (nowadays territory of Bulgaria) after the fall of Troy (Asia Minor). [5]
Julius Caesar, historian (1st century B. C.), reports about the Veneti living in Gaul (Brittany). [6]
Titus Livy, historian (1st century B. C.), describes how Veneti came up to the coasts of the (northern) Adriatic, also mentioning the river "Timava", which flows through the duskiness of the �kocjan caves (Slovene Ti(e)ma means the darkness). [7]
Pliny the Elder (1st century B. C.) talks about an extensive land, named Eningia, where Sarmatians, Venedi, etc. lived. He also mentions the Venetulani in central Italy. [8]
Tacitus, historian (1st century C. E.), places Veneti on the border of Suebia together with Peucinians, Sarmatians and Fenns. [9]
Ptolemy, geographer (2nd century), mentions exceedingly large nations - the (O)venedi on the whole coastal region of the Venetic gulf (The Baltic sea). [10]
Emperor Julian (4th century) presents evidence of Veneti, who settled in the proximity of Aquilea (Italy). [11]
Jordanes, historian (6th century), notes a numerous nation of Veneti, populating the area between north of Dacia (now Romania) and up to the Visla delta (the Baltic sea), who call themselves Slavs and Ants. ( "termini Venetorum qui et Sclavi dic**tur") [12]
In Vita s. Columbani [13] (7th century) (the Alpine) Veneti, who call themselves Slavs, are recorded.
In the Fredegarius Chronicle (7th century) we can read about the Slavs designated as Vinedi. [14]
Adam of Bremen, chronicler (11th century), mentions an extensive land Sclavania, settled by Winulians, who used to be called Vandals. The land could have been ten times bigger then Sachsen, especially if we include Bohemians (Czechs) and Polians, since they are not distinguishable from each other, nor by their appearance, or by their language. [15]
In Denmark (from latest 12th century and until the year 1972) the title "King of the Vends" (Latin Vandals) was used for enthroning Danish kings.
Helmold, historian (12th century), records a vast Slavic country, where the ancient Vandals are now named Wends or Winulians. [16]
Wincenty Kadłubek / Vincent of Cracow, historian (12th century), affirms that Poles used to be called Vandals. [17]
Heimskringla, the Chronicle of Norwegian kings(12th century) mentions, that the Black Sea "divides three parts of the earth, from which is the eastern part called Asia, whereas the western part is by some called Europe, and by others Enea." [18]
Miersuae Chronicon (13th century) equates Vandals with Slavs. [19]
Albert Crantz, historian (15th century), reports about Wandals or Wends, and says that they are Slavs, living as a single nation from Poland to Dalmatia. According to him, the mighty acts in France, Spain and Africa are ascribed to the Wends. [20]
Marcin Bielski (16th century) says that Wandals was once the name for Slavs. [21]
The Pomeranian chronicler Thomas Kantzow (1505-1542) writes that the "Slau(v)s and Wandals are the same thing ... just like the Germans are called differently - Germani, Teuthones, Alemanni.": Original text: "Dan Slaui und Wandali ist ein Dinck ... gleich wie die Teutzschen werden oft on Unterschied geheissen Germani, Teuthones, Alemanni." [21a]
Christophorum Entzelt von Saluelt (16. century) records ancient populousness of the lands east from the Elbe (Laba) river with Wends. At the same time he equates Veneti and Sclavenes. [22]
Sebastian M�nster, cartographer (16th century), mentions a once mighty nation on the East sea (Ostsee) named Vandals or Wends. He also reports on Wandals who settled regions in eastern Germany, where inhabitants are called Sclavs or Wends. Original text: "Mecklenburg-Pommern-Preussen: jtem Brandenburg und was dem Polenland zugelegen, alles Wandali gehei�en und ihre Einwohner haben auch Sclaven oder Wenden gehei�en." [23]
Antol Vramec, chronicler (16th century), writes in his chronicle for the year 928 the following: The Heneti, who name themselves Sloveni, were at that time knocked down in Germany. [24]
Adam Bohorič, linguist (16th century), links Heneti, Vene(d)ti, Vinds, Vandals and Slavs together as a single nation. [25]
Mavro Orbin (16th century) numbers Veneti, Vends, Vandals, Illyrians, Sarmatians ... among Slavs. [26]
The Chronicle of Brandenburg (16. century) emphasizes the mighty predecessors of Wends, the Vandals, who sacked Rome and Carthage, and mentions their king Genserich as the king of Vandals. [27]
Johann Weichard Baron von Valvasor, historian, geographer (1689), wrote: "Wends and Sclavenes are one folk, Wandals and Wends one and the same nation". (Wenden und Sclaven seynd ein Volk, Wandalen und Wenden einerley Nation.) [28]
V. N. Tati�čev, ethnographer (17th -18th century), classifies the Heneti as Slavs, as well as the Vandalic or Vendenic state as the first known Slavic state. [29]
A. L. Schl�zer, historian (18th century), defended his thesis about Slavs originating from Illyrians and the Veneti. [30]
Vasilij Trediakovski (18th century) classifies Dalmatians, Serbians, Bulgarians ... among Vandals. [31]
Davorin Trstenjak (19th century) wrote about the ancient Adriatic Veneti, who belonged to a Vindish-Slavic family. He accented their affinity with the Aremoric (Brittany) and Baltic Veneti. [32]
In Helmolts Weltgeschichte (end of the 19th century) [33] it is indicated, that the Veneti, Wends and Winds were actually ancestors of Slovenes, and that they used to settle the old roman provinces Vindelitia, Raetia, Noricum, Pannona.. www.hervardi.com/helmolt.php

[1] Ilijada, 851
[2] Herodotus, History vol. 7 / G B Pellegrini, A L Prosdocimi, La lingua venetica, Padova 1967, V, 9
[3] Polibios, Obča zgodovina, Dr�avna zalo�ba Slovenije, Ljubljana 1964, str. 88; str. 92
[4] On the Martialling of the Trojan Forces
[5] Strabon, Geografija
[6] De Bello Gallico
[7] Titus Livius, History of Rome, Loeb Classic Library, William Heinemann, London, Harvard University Press, Cambridge, Mass., 1933 / Titi Livi, Ab Vrbe condita, liber I, http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/liv.html
[8] Historia naturalis, Liber IV: 96-97
[9] Cornelius Tacitus, De origine et situ Germaorum liber (Germania), 64
[10] Ptolemej, De Geographia, III 5. 21.
[11] The Works of Emperor Julian, Engl. transl. Wilmer Cave Wright, I. vol., Loeb Classical Library, William Heinemann , Cambridge, Mass., Harvard University Press, 1954, The Heroic Deeds of Constantius, str. 190- 193
[12] Iordanes, De origine actibusce Getarum (Getica), Roma 1986, str 43 (XXIII poglavje); S Rutar, Kako va�nost ima "Jordanis" za slovensko zgodovinopisje, Letopis Matice slovenske, Ljubljana 1880, str. 86
[13] J Bobbiensis, Vitae s. Columbani
[14] Fredegar Scholasticus, Historia Francorum, I, 48
[15] Adamus Bremensis, Gesta Hammaburgensis ecclesiae pontificum (et Scholast), 11. century, II, 18
[16] Helmoldi presbyteri Bozoviensis, Chronica Sclavorum et Venedorum, 1171, p. 2, 14
[17] W Kadłubek, Mistrza Wincentego Kronika Polska, Warszawa 1974
[18] Heimskringla or The Chronicle of the Kings of Norway, The Ynglinga Saga, or The Story of the Yngling Family from Odin to Halfdan the Black, Snorri Sturluson c. 1179 - 1241, Online Medieval and Classical Library Release #15b, http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/OMACL/Heimskringla/
[19] Miersuae Chronicon, Monumenta Poloniae Historica II, 1872
[20] Albertus Crantzius, Vandalia, lat. Hamburg 1519
[21] M Bielski, Kronika Polska
[21a] Thomas Kantzow, Chronik von Pommern in Niederdeutscher Mundart (orig. 1535), Dr. Martin S�ndig oHG., 1973; ISBN 3-500-28260-1
[22] Entzelt von Salfeld, Chronicon der Alten Mark, Magdeburg 1579
[23] S M�nster, Cosmographiae Universalis, Basileae 1572
[24] A Vramec, Kronika, Ljubljana 1578
[25] A Bohorič, Zimske urice / Arcticae horulae, Vitenberg, 1584
[26] M Orbini, Il Regno degli Slavi /Kraljestvo Slovanov, naslov "Historiografska knjiga o izvoru imena Slave in o raz�iritvi slovanskega naroda in njegovih carjev ter vladarjev z mnogimi imeni in z mnogimi carstvi, kraljestvi in provincami", 1722
[27] Angelus, Chronik der Mark Brandenburg, 1598
[28] J V Valvasor, Slava Vojvodine Kranjske / Die Ehre des Herzogthums Crain, N�rnberg 1689
[29] V N Tati�čev, Slovani in Rusija, str. 21 / Собрание сочинений. Т.1. История Российская. М. 1994, частъ 1. См. также фрагментъі в сборнике "Славяне и Русъ"с. 16-23
[30] Х А Шлецер, О происхождении словен вообще и в особенности словен российских, М. 1810
[31] B Тредиаковский, РИ, I-XVI - Римская история ... сочиненная г. Ролленем ... а с Французского переведенная тщанием и трудами В. Тредиаковского ... Т. I - XVI. СПб., 1761-1767
[32] D Trstenjak, Raziskavanja na polji staroslovanske zgodovine, Letopis matice slovenske, Ljubljana
[33] H F Helmolt, Weltgeschichte, f�nfter Band, Bibliographisches Institut, Leipzig und Wien 1900 (1899-1907), p. 269, 270 (english: London 1902, ruskij: Petrograd

 

Jesus criste!!!! Cool pictures!!! Where did you get them???!!!! I searched the internet for theese for ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sweedish pirates???? Where did you read that crap? They were a nation! They were (arguably) Slavs or Venetians or mixture of tribes that lived there since the ice receeded and the "newcommers" that expanded there when agriculture got on a higher level and population rose in other parts of Slavic (Venetian) lands. Venetians were first settlers of Baltic coasts and Scandinavian peninsula. Later the climate got colder for a few 100 years, population fell and many abandoned Scandinavian peninsula. When the climate got wormer again these lands were invaded by spreading Germanians. They built their settlements on remains of Venetian ones and assimilated the population. Allthough in the what is today nort-east or central Sweeden some fragments of the population remained late into 800 A.D. On the southern baltic coasts Venetians living there accepted and traided with germanians. In about 300 A.D. ugro-finnian nations came to theese lands from the edge of Urals and were assimilated by baltic Venetians (or baltic Slavs). One of these mixed tribes got a name Varjagi - yes, by other Slavs. The derivation of word is rather complicated so excuse me for not stating it at this time. Please check your sources. Nestor's cronicle of Russian history was not the first and not the best description of Russia in that time. It lacks many facts and some things are interpreted in a "rather strange" way. It was one of many written in that time.

About that prof. I read in a weekly newspaper of ours... Maby it was a mistake or sth.

He's just another of many historians. I STATED HIM AMONG LITERATURE. I DO NOT AGREE WITH HIM IN EVERYTHING AND SO DON'T MANY OTHER AUTHORS AS WELL, YOU YOUR SELF WROTE HE ISN'T ALLWAYS RELIABLE. What I read is to say mildly strange. Read the rest, then coment!

im Slavic ancestor . Im from Slovakia