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    Posted: 26-Dec-2005 at 14:34
They were not Khalkha-Mongols, or something like Kalmucks or Burjats. They were Turkic-speaking nomads similar to Kazakhs, Noghays and steppe Crimean Tartars.
Toba were Turkic speaking rulers of China. Read Rene Grousset "mpire of the Steppes".
The time table says much about the "China conquests", whereas the Northern China itself was during most of its long history ruled by nomadic conquerors from the North.




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The Mongol Hordes occupied Russia for about 262 years. Amazing
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Originally posted by tadamson


I think you are referring to suggestions that the Cimmerians were possibly related to the very similar, but slightly later, Skythians.  And they may well have rulled parts of the Black Sea coast (as per Heroditas) though Assyrian records suggest Azerbaijan as their home..

There are a few,  shall we say unconventional, types who insiste that the Cimmerians were also Summerians (and Sumarians and Khemet).

As I recall it appears to be a theory that says that the Sumerians were not originally from Sumer. Through their early writings (not cuneiform, by the way) there appears to be similarities with those discovered in the Black Sea area and a few more other areas which could suggest migration possibly after the last ice age. It further says that this theory would indeed upturn all our earlier beliefs about Mesopotamia and that the Great Flood as told in the Genesis and in the Epic of Gilgamesh is actually around the Black Sea.

I am not sure whether this theory has been rejected or otherwise.

Thanks, tadamson.



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There are sources that say the Cimmerians are the same as the Sumerians and that they were originally from the area near the Black Sea. Does anyone have more details on this?

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I think you are referring to suggestions that the Cimmerians were possibly related to the very similar, but slightly later, Skythians.  And they may well have rulled parts of the Black Sea coast (as per Heroditas) though Assyrian records suggest Azerbaijan as their home..

There are a few,  shall we say unconventional, types who insiste that the Cimmerians were also Summerians (and Sumarians and Khemet).
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There are sources that say the Cimmerians are the same as the Sumerians and that they were originally from the area near the Black Sea. Does anyone have more details on this?

Thanks



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You might be right Rakhsh; thanks for your comment. But, why don't we let time to clarify everything? Take care and take it easy.

 

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Stalin was a ruthless killer and the president of TurkemanStan is just as bed, ohh Khomeni well he was a cruel ruthless leader and killer too. Do you know how many people died because of him or how many he ordered their deaths? Or how he tried to destroy Iranian Culture?
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Oh, Zagros, you see Emam Khomeyni and Emam Khamene'i everywhere in Iran too...

I know he's like a dictator, I agree. But he's done a lot of things in Turkmenistan. We had nothing before 1991; still we lack many things. But, Sapar Myrat Niyazov, as I myself think, has brought many improvements here. Others may think in another way. Take care...
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Originally posted by Zagros

Didn't Turkmenbachi create a HUGE gold statue of himself? That is just wrong.

I don't think it is wrong. Why not?  If I were him, I would definetely do it.

Originally posted by bang

when you go to ashgabat...u see nothin but his pictures...statues..n blabla...he is mad!

I think people are "mad" and nothing wrong with him! I was born in Nebit Dag and I have seen a part of his cult. Some people love him. My father, for example, thinks it was nothing wrong to Stalin, people loved him. He thinks Stalin was a great ruler, as he fought corruption, enemies and provided strong order and rose economics. However my father has no respect for present rulers of Russia.



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Originally posted by Zagros

Didn't Turkmenbachi create a HUGE gold statue of himself? That is just wrong.

when you go to ashgabat...u see nothin but his pictures...statues..n blabla...he is mad!
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Didn't Turkmenbachi create a HUGE gold statue of himself? That is just wrong.
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no both of them are crazy....they are dictators...if they see sum1's business is doin good...they quickly arrest him n put him behind bars....coz of that soo many companies have left turkmenistsan..and today i read on bbc...opposition party leader was arrested in uzbekistan .
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Turkmenbashi did a lot for his country, ive heard only good and some crazy point of him but mainly good.
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I'm really sorry to hear about that brother. Isn't there ANY way to get back? There should be, huh?
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Originally posted by gok_toruk

Idiot Turkmenbashi and Karimov?

Yeah president of turkmenistand & Uzbekistan...they are idiots....they dont care about us...*the people*....
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Idiot Turkmenbashi and Karimov?
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Thanks Seko. Good article. Now, I'd like to mention that Juan Juan dialect was described as 'different' than Turks. About their clothings and customs, we see paradoxes, if compared to our ancestors (Turks) at that time. You know, we've got various linguists and scientists about Turks and Mongols with different points of view. But here, I'd like to refer to what eyewitnesses say about them. I can give you links to different papers (old and new) which is about our conversation. Take care mate.
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Originally posted by gok_toruk

By the way, when I said: 'Mongolian is more probable', I forgot to mention something. Turks were, somehow, servants of Juan Juan. And Juan Juans were described as Mongol people. And Hephtalites or Ebdalites were remains of Juan Juans who had escaped from Mongolia. Take care...

Below is a short synopsis on the Ruruan (Juan Juan) as coming from the eastern Hu tribes and later mixing with the Hunnic tribes -Gao-che. The author claims that the Ruruan are more Hun than anything else. Not pre-Mongol even. 

The Ruruan founder was said to be a 'Hu' by Toba. Toba claimed heritage from Huangdi and hence dispised other nomads as 'Hu'. The terminology for 'Hu' was categorical. Toba, in order to show their disdain for the Ruruans, despised the Ruruan and nicknamed them as 'ru ru', meaning a kind of slow crawling insect on the ground. Toba, claiming Yellow Emperor heritage, certainly treated other nomads as barbarian. There is one more comment in History Of Toba Wei Dynasty, namely, the founder of Ruruan might have origin in Eastern Hu nomads. So to say that it is no strange to see non-Chinese websites advocating a school of thought stating that Ruruan (Zhuzhan), like Toba, were people of Eastern Mongolia and Western Manchuria and that "from the IInd and up to the IVth centuries, Altai lived under the influence of Syanbiy tribes. From the end of the IVth century the Altaian tribes were subjugated by the Zhuzhans ... and were to pay tribute to them (by ironware)." (see http://www.altai-republic.com/history/altai_history_eng.htm for details.)
 
But after the Ruruan founder fled to the Altai Mountains, he conquered and absorbed remnant Hunnic tribes and Gao-che people there. Ruruans and Gao-che people warred with each other as well as allied with each other. Hence, the Ruruans were more Hunnic than anyone else. History Of Toba Wei Dynasty further commented that "Ruruans, though the descendants of the Huns, could not have their exact ancestry traced."

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Im the 3rd generation of turkmens/uzbeks who fled to afghanistan after russian invasion.

I wish they stayed instead of fleein to a country thats completely screwed up now.

and the sad thing is that we cant even go back! idiot turkmenbashi & karimov!
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By the way, when I said: 'Mongolian is more probable', I forgot to mention something. Turks were, somehow, servants of Juan Juan. And Juan Juans were described as Mongol people. And Hephtalites or Ebdalites were remains of Juan Juans who had escaped from Mongolia. Take care...
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