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    Posted: 30-Sep-2010 at 11:19
 i personally dont beleive there was mass invasion of aryans, espeically what is mainland india today, maybe northern pakistan/kashmir areas were invaded, but not mainland india of today.
 
However that said, i beleive there was a cultural invasion of aryans in to india. Indians all through out there history have been really adaptive of other cultures, recent examples of this is how they have adapted many things from the muslim cultures and from the british. I believe they cleary adapted the aryan religions and cultures and mixed it with their own cultures, this is how hinduism was born.


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Your belief about invasion /migration of aryans is not going to make any difference.
There was no invasion at all let it be mass or trickle infilteration.Genetics,Archaeology,Archaeoastronomy and linguistuics is against AIT or AMT.Cultural adaptation during British regime is just a concept and not truth.Usage of English in India is mainly seen in Metros only majority of Indian population is semi urban and rural speak colocial languages only and they are very traditional.

And in an earlier tread Pakistani shield  posted a link to " Gundestrup karret" a seal with a Celtic god dating back to 100BC and this is exactly similar to the Pashupati idol of Harappa dating back to 3000BC.This clearly indicates the direction of flow of language and cultures over times.
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^ this is what you hindu nationalistic beleive, you beleive every thing came from india and every body just follows. In truth its always been the other way around, india has always adopted practices of other cultures and mixed it with its own
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Originally posted by balochii

^ this is what you hindu nationalistic beleive, you beleive every thing came from india and every body just follows. In truth its always been the other way around, india has always adopted practices of other cultures and mixed it with its own

You can make any allegations or call any names but thats not going to change the facts.

If you have some proofs to justify your beliefs then provide it ,instead of giving statements touching no where.
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 just go look at russian aryan cities discovered, nothing seems hindu/indian about them, clearly this means aryans were not indians like you claim

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Originally posted by balochii

 just go look at russian aryan cities discovered, nothing seems hindu/indian about them, clearly this means aryans were not indians like you claim

In the whole debate with you on various treads,you havent even produced even one single proof to substantiate your claims.
First of all Aryan is not a race.The word "Arya" was first put forward by Max Mueller and that too after studying sanskrit and vedas from India.So that word itself came from British India.And Max Mueller had later corrected himself that Aryan term is not related to any race.
Ya Russia may have a civilization but to my knowledge it is not dating beyond 3000BC.But India has several sites which were of farming communities dating back to 7100BC.If you have any proofs to relate your russian sites to this tread then please send it.
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Various Pashupati(Proto Shiva) recovered from Indus saraswati Civilization dating back to 3000BC.The name Pashupati/Protoshiva was given by Sir John Marshall the British Archaeologist
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The Celtic Gundestrup Karret dating back to 100BC
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^ this is not about if india is a older civilization then russia or not, the whole argument is where did that aryan culture or race (if it existed) start, current evidence is clearly not pointing towards india.
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Originally posted by balochii

^ this is not about if india is a older civilization then russia or not, the whole argument is where did that aryan culture or race (if it existed) start, current evidence is clearly not pointing towards india.

Current evidence is pointing towards India only and Kurgan is Just a Hypothesis which needs to be proved.
Please provide proofs  of the so called "Current evidence " instead of repeating  the same statement.
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Pashupati & cernunnos
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The Greek God Zeus from Classical Antiquity, found at Crete. In this bronze plate you can see Zeus with Asian appearance holding what seems to be a reptile (likely a crocodile) over his head, there is a animal (likely a lion) near his feet and on each side there are two angel like figures with wings and drums.
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Indus Sraswati Swastikas dating back to 2800BC
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Persian necklace with three swastikas from the first millenium BCE found at Kularaz, in the Gilan region of Iran 
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This Swastika (dated 500 BCE) was found on an ancient artefact during archaeological digs in Bulgaria
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Here, a Swedish bracteate with swastika roughly from 400 AD (historiska museet, Sweden)

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first of all when you  say india, you really mean (pakistan), none of these swastikas are found in your ganga plains or your south india, second no one is denying that western part of subcontinent (mostly pakistan) was part of aryan territory, so yes it is indeed possible that even the oldest structers of aryan civilizations can be found in pakistan, however that does not mean they were a (indic civilization), their center base was mostly likely north west of pakistan of today, which is southern central asia.
 
also i know you are trying to connect (present day) indian lands like Gangas, bengal, south india etc.. with aryans, but this is not true at all. These lands were never part of orignal aryan territory


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Originally posted by balochii

first of all when you  say india, you really mean (pakistan), none of these swastikas are found in your ganga plains or your south india, second no one is denying that western part of subcontinent (mostly pakistan) was part of aryan territory, so yes it is indeed possible that even the oldest structers of aryan civilizations can be found in pakistan, however that does not mean they were a (indic civilization), their center base was mostly likely north west of pakistan of today, which is southern central asia.
 
also i know you are trying to connect (present day) indian lands like Gangas, bengal, south india etc.. with aryans, but this is not true at all. These lands were never part of orignal aryan territory
Well balochi now prove what you say..
Do you use swastikas now for any purpose we hindus use...
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^ no, thats not the point. But i am sure my ancestors were using it, way before you
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