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    Posted: 06-Oct-2010 at 02:23
Originally posted by balochii

^ no, thats not the point. But i am sure my ancestors were using it, way before you
Prove it....

And please stop your superiority debate and try to contribute to this thread and the topic here is the smilarity & relations of different petroglyphs
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Originally posted by ranjithvnambiar

[QUOTE=balochii]^ no, thats not the point. But i am sure my ancestors were using it, way before you
Prove it....

And please stop your superiority debate and try to contribute to this thread and the topic here is the smilarity & relations of different petroglyphs and their time line which is dispproving the so called Aryan Invasion theory

Lets stop this my ancestor your ancestor debate the whole world had its ancestors from Africa.. Me ,You and all are included.So lets give a break to this India pakistan thing and return to the topic
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Originally posted by balochii

 just go look at russian aryan cities discovered, nothing seems hindu/indian about them, clearly this means aryans were not indians like you claim

By the way I didnt see you providing any proofs or Photos with timeline of the so called "Russian Aryan cities".Kindly provide the proofs for the same so that we can understand the genuinety of your claims.
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Collapse of Aryan Invasion Theory

Abstracts of Speakers International Seminar on “How Deep are the Roots of Indian Civilization? An Archaeological and Historical Perspective” -- Vivekananda Intl. Foundation, Nov. 25 - 27, 2010
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^ indians are not aryans
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Prove yourself.. ie provide proof instead of repeating yourself.
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^ 80% of indians are not, just look at why i said in the other thread and agian thanks for the map, it clearly proves me and cyrus correct
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There is no use in repeating your claims .you need to prove it.Provide proofs for your claims.Dont refer to others names to hide your incapability.
And kindly clarify the adoption of culture & language theory too.
And what does the map say..?
If you are proposing something then prove it.Otherwise you are just wasting our time.You were refering to Rigveda time and again saying Rigveda proves this  & that.Just give referances to where it proves and what..?



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^ the map shows where the aryans were when they came to south asia, they only stayed in the northern part of subcontinent, mostly todays pakistan, 80% of india is not included in the map nor it is mentioned in Rig Veda, so 80% of indians of today have nothing to do with aryans. There is reason why for example punjabies look different from south indians, south indians are mostly pure dravdians, while punjabies are a mix of dravdians and aryans, you can clearly see that from there faces.
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You are wrong about the Map.Sarasvati ried up in 2000BC. And the map shown here is having all rivers which were prominent during the live sarasvati ie much before 2000BC.So when did this Aryan invasio/migration/culture adoption take place...?

Prove your claims..?
What is mentioned in Rigveda about whom..?
You are beating around the bush but justifying nothing..?
What is Rigveda saying ../ tell me..?
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^ so are you telling me south indians and south india are mentioned in rig veda??? i read rig veda many times and never found any reference to south india. Your acting as if all of india is mentioned in rig veda, my point is only northern parts of subcontinent is mentioned, where the aryans stayed, prove me wrong, is south india mentioned? please prove it. I stand by that 80% of indians are dravidians and not aryans, again answer me, why do think north indians punjabies look different from south indians if they are same? why do pashtuns of pakistan look completly different from south indians? they are not the same, it should be clear to you, Pashtuns and northern pakistanis are probably the closest to orginal aryan tribes, punjabies are mix of aryans and dravdians

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Well where did this south India come into picture..?what did i tell you about South Indians..?Well I dont understand what have you with South Indians..?

If you are familiar with Rigveda then why this shilly shallying..? just explain the Rigvedic geography with the help of its verses.. and povide proofs for your Pakistani rigvedic origin..?
And apart from that what does Rigveda say..?

And along with that kindly explain the adoption theory with its time line..?

well come on..
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^ you keep going around in circles, your not even answering my question, i have already answered yours by using the map you provided. Rig veda only mentions the rivers and places in the northern part of subcontinent, the whole world knows, it doesn't mention anything about rest of india.

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Well Balochii if you dont have information about Rigveda ,admit it, dont bring the whole world generalizations it the debate.
the whole world knows what..?
What is your question and what is its relevance  in this topic..? 
What did you prove..?
You are not even able to explain what you are proposing..
say the adoption thing..
What cultureadoption are you proposing..? When did it take place..?
What was the original culture before that..?and what was their language..?what was their religion..?
Above all why did they adopt when they already had a culture,religion and language of their own..?
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^ what information do you want from rig vida, speak proper english so i know, i will provide any information you want, its clear you are just avoiding what i keep saying
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also what i believe is northern part of the subcontient, present day northern pakistan and areas like kashmir were part of the orginal aryan lands, but most of what you call india today wasn't, dont forget that sanskrit and early vedic culture developed in very extreme northern parts of the subcontinent, like peshawar pakistan where panini lived

 

^ lets say even if you are correct of location of sarasvati (pak/indianborder), it doesn't include most what is india today. It is clear from Rig Veda that it was written on the pakistani side of the border, mostly northern pakistan or today's northern punjab area, 

 

 

also ganga and yamuna are mentioned very few times in rig vide and perhaps only the northern parts of yamuna/ganga are mentioned, which are near the himalayas

These were your posts in the other treadNow justify it with your knwledge and proficiency in rigveda.

 
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The Geography of the Rig Veda, from Wikipedia;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rigvedic_geography.jpg

Perhaps this will help?
http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/
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^ thanks for that map, i dont have time to go through every passage of rig ved to prove it was written in the northern part of the subcontinent, it is simple knowledge that every one knows, that it was written in the northern parts, so i really dont know what this ranjith guy wants me to prove? that it was written in south india? i am not understanding his english
 
Here is that map, every thing in Rig veda is in northern part of the subcontinent, mostly pakistan and extreme northern india of today, i dont see any south india, central india, east india in there:
 


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^ the fact these were aryan lands, the aryan culture streched from central asia all way to northern part of the subcontinent, so again i really am not understanding what ranjith wants me to prove, can anyone help me understand what he means?
 
 
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What an escape Balochii..?LOL
Wikipedia instead of Rigveda..?
and no rigvedic proof for your claims..?
And your incapability to answer is because of my english..? If opuslola and others can understand me then what is wrong with you..?
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