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    Posted: 12-Sep-2004 at 21:59
Indeed, Tobo, which would explain why the Turks and Moors and everyone managed to bulldoze into Europe without too many major losses.

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  Quote Ptolemy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2004 at 17:30

mmmh, isn't Axum more Ethiopian? I knew someone from Eretria and he claimed Axum as history of Eretrians...

I beleive Axum has more to do with Ethiopia than Eritrea. I believe they spoke a language closely related to Amharic, but on the other hand they did have many important ports that traded with Egypt and India, so the empire probably held territory in what is today Eritrea.

 

Edit: Oh, I guess I know what you mean. I should clarify and say Axum never had anyting to do with Nubia, but I talked more about Nubia because people know less about it.



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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 22:17
I agree with you, but its onyl been that way for 500 years, it was quite a backwater before.
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  Quote Abyssmal Fiend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 22:11

Haha, I know what you mean. I just like the Spartans alot. It must be that they're almost as stubborn as us Germans.

Well... Post 1500 is pretty much closing into Western History. That's where alot of the wars were, after all. The First American War of Independence, the War of 1812, The Franco-Prussian War, and, naturally, World War I and II. But yeah, it's biased. Of course it is. I don't think there were many huge dramatic changes after the 1600 in the East, after all. I'm not saying there weren't any, but... meh. From what I know, the West grew alot faster.


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  Quote Imperator Invictus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 20:30
It depends on the class. I would say that for most educational programs, the steppe empires are the most obscure. In my high school, all the areas were fairly well balanced until the 1500s, where it became more and more wester-centric. But nothing on the steppes other than the Seljuks and Mongols.
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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 20:23
bah Im so sick of Greece, I look up stuff on my own.  Nothing bores me more in the whoel history of the world than greece because so many people alwyas talk about it around me.
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  Quote Abyssmal Fiend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 19:51
All day? 40 minutes a day. 40 x 7 = Nowhere near enough time to learn anything good enough to pass a damn test. Then, what made even less sense, was spending a month on the Roman Empire, most of the time was devoted to the rising up against the Etruscans.

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  Quote Tobodai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 19:45
I dont know what school you go to, I would like to go to a school that doesnt talk about Greece all day!
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  Quote Abyssmal Fiend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 19:40
Axum is hardly an obscure empire. Hell, you talk about in it World History I. And if you cover it in AMERICAN school, then it's pretty damn popular. Seeing as it takes just a year and a half, 3 semesters, 270 days, to get from Ancient Egypt to the 1900's. Hell, I think we spent a grand total of a week on Greece, with most of the time devoted to Athens and Macedonian. I don't even think the teacher mentioned Marathon or Thermopalae, two of the most important battles in the ancient world.

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  Quote Imperator Invictus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 19:26
http://www.worldhistorymaps.com/maps/WA1086.htm

hmm, ok I found the map again. It now has Zeng as an african east coast empire, which is what it should be. But I swear they used to have it as where it is "Tali". 

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Axum aka Aksum, is a city in Ethipoia, it was once the centre of the Axumite Kingdom, which converted to Christianity in 200/300 (?) AD, and the city of Aksum is now considered one of, if not, the holiest city in Ethiopia.

Intresting story, Muslims in Aksum have been trying to build a mosque in what is the holiest city for Ethiopian Othrodox Christians, but the local authorities have refused, saying that it will only be allowed when they can build an Ethiopian Othrodox Church in Mecca. Nice.
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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 18:28
mmmh, isn't Axum more Ethiopian? I knew someone from Eretria and he claimed Axum as history of Eretrians...
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  Quote Ptolemy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 15:09
The empires of Axum and Medievel Nubia (composed of 3, than latter 2 empires).  Most people dont know anything about Nubia after the Romans and before it was overun by Saladins forces. They were Christian kingdoms and the northern most one often fought with Islamic Egypt.
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  Quote warhead Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 14:03

 "but I found some strange map that had it in South East asia "

 

where exactly in south east asia? North Vietnam at the time is under the Dai Viet kingdom, south vietnam is the champa kingdom, cambodia under the khmer. Burma under the Pengu. Yunnan under Dali, is this Zeng empire in Thailand?

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  Quote Jagatai Khan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 09:15

The Celts of Central Anatolia were called Galat and the regions around Ancyra were named Galatia.

Yes the Celts lived in Anatolia and last year their death bodies were found by Turkish archeologs.

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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Sep-2004 at 02:46

The Celts of Central Anatolia were called Galat and the regions around Ancyra were named Galatia.

Really, is there a connection between the names Kelt and Gal.

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  Quote Quetzalcoatl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Sep-2004 at 19:23

No, the "Gallic" Empire, as it was called, was rebel Roman state consiting of the provinces of Britian, Gaul and Spain that broke away from the Empire during the Barracks Emperors period (3rd century). The Palmyrene Empire, which conquered most of Rome's Eastern Provinces, also existed at the same time. The Gallic Empire survived after the death of its first Emperor, but declined when Spain returned itself back to Rome and loss of some territory to Roman Reconquest until Emperor Aurelian's Reconquest of the entire lost territories.

 Ok, I thought it was Gaul empire too, which couldn't be right since Gaul was only a region with many warring tribes. First time I heard of the Gallic empire though,now I understand why they sometime refer to us french as Gallic. And what the origin of the word Gallic? In french, we call the Welsh as Gallois and the country as Galle does it have something to do with the celts in any case.

 

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  Quote Imperator Invictus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Sep-2004 at 18:41
Originally posted by warhead

Khakhan, what Zeng empire is this? You've said it was in southwest china? Southwest China at the time is ruled by Dali guo which had all of Yunnan and Guei Zhou, and its a kingdom not an empire. Is this Zeng a tribe?


Yeah I never got this figured out. Apparantly, Sharukin (IIRC) said it was african kingdom, but I found some strange map that had it in South East asia (judging the boundaries, it would be about the same time as the Sung Dynasty). However, I can't find this map on the web anymore. I'm also aware that that "Zeng" also appears in the names of various chinese states.
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I was wondering, Has anyone else heard of the Mittanean empire?  I  have read about it only once and I wondered if it is known by another name typically. It Existed as a contemporary of the Hittite empire around the mid second century B.C. and survived for about 300 years. It eventually became a vassal state of the Hittites and was destroyed along with that people during the invasions of the "Sea Peoples" They were an Indo-European People who spoke a dialect of Sanskrit, and worshiped many Indo-Aryan dieties..

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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Sep-2004 at 11:33

The Assyrians never managed to conquer the Urartu, the Urartuians were destroyed by the Medes.

Another not-very-known but long-lasting empire was the Qarluq Empire of 8th-10th centuries.



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