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I see, thanks for your insight. 
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  Quote Maju Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 23:18
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If Arabs are not Semitic, and Jews are, what exactly is the relationship between them? 


Both are Semitic, at least from the linguistic point of view. Hebrews seem to have migarted into Palestine (then called Canaan) c. 1300 BCE associated with the Aramaic migration into other lands of the Fertile Crescent. They all come from the same origin (normally thought somewhere in Arabia), again from a linguistic viewpoint (they can have mixed once and again during their migrations). Canaanites themselves also spoke a Semitic tongue (a descendant of which is Phoenician) but they seem to have reached the area much earlier probably simultaneously with Akkadian migrations of c. 3900 BCE.

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So the saying that goes that Arabs and Jews are "Cousins" is correct?  Or just linguistically correct?



Yes. Apart of Aramaic and Assyrian, that are spoken by very few people nowadays, Arab and Hebrew are the two only Semitic languages still alive. Genetically Palestian Arabs and Sephardic Jews are quite simmilar too.


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I did not mention summeria as semetic as the greek name for this land was mesopotamia which in greek meant it was mixed.

Didn't it have the meaning of "the bank of two rivers" in Greek? Correct me if I'm wrong.



Mesopotamia: meso (in the middle, in between) potamos (river): land between rivers.

Sumer was only in southern Mesopotamia, more or less what is now majoritarily Shiite Iraq. The term Mesopotamia is geographical, Sumer is a national name instead.



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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 23:01

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Originally posted by Afghanan

If Arabs are not Semitic, and Jews are, what exactly is the relationship between them? 


Both are Semitic, at least from the linguistic point of view. Hebrews seem to have migarted into Palestine (then called Canaan) c. 1300 BCE associated with the Aramaic migration into other lands of the Fertile Crescent. They all come from the same origin (normally thought somewhere in Arabia), again from a linguistic viewpoint (they can have mixed once and again during their migrations). Canaanites themselves also spoke a Semitic tongue (a descendant of which is Phoenician) but they seem to have reached the area much earlier probably simultaneously with Akkadian migrations of c. 3900 BCE.

Hope this helps.

 

So the saying that goes that Arabs and Jews are "Cousins" is correct?  Or just linguistically correct?

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  Quote barbar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Aug-2005 at 22:56

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I did not mention summeria as semetic as the greek name for this land was mesopotamia which in greek meant it was mixed.

Didn't it have the meaning of "the bank of two rivers" in Greek? Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Originally posted by Afghanan

If Arabs are not Semitic, and Jews are, what exactly is the relationship between them? 


Both are Semitic, at least from the linguistic point of view. Hebrews seem to have migarted into Palestine (then called Canaan) c. 1300 BCE associated with the Aramaic migration into other lands of the Fertile Crescent. They all come from the same origin (normally thought somewhere in Arabia), again from a linguistic viewpoint (they can have mixed once and again during their migrations). Canaanites themselves also spoke a Semitic tongue (a descendant of which is Phoenician) but they seem to have reached the area much earlier probably simultaneously with Akkadian migrations of c. 3900 BCE.

Hope this helps.

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  Quote Afghanan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Aug-2005 at 21:32
If Arabs are not Semitic, and Jews are, what exactly is the relationship between them? 
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The terms Semitic and Hamitic are only linguistical and like all, a little capricious. Both groups are related and modernly grouped in the Afroasian family of tongues.

Sumerians spoke a non-Semitic language, that is not related with Arab, Hebrew and the other languages of the group. Sumerians were eventually semitized by Akkadians, Assyrians and Chaldeans (normally asociated with Arameans).

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  Quote Ahmed The Fighter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 05:37

Dear brother Albedwi

I know yemen is the root of all Arab but Abraham(pbuh) was not Arabian and his son Ismaail lived with the arabic tribe in najjed then he claimed as arabic man the father of all Arab there is not important if Ibrahim called himself semitic may be  there are some people a mix between semitic and hamitic,But the question is who are the real semitic?

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http://www.yemeninfo.gov.ye/ENGLISH/CULTURE/cities.htm

(yemeni root for all arabs)

 

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  Quote Al Bedawi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 03:52

Dear Brother Ahmed.

 

Let us discuss this term semetic.

 

Did Abraha (Ibrahim) pbuh call himself semetic?

 

Did our forefathers call themselves semetic?

Did our enemies call us semetic?

 

The anwser is no.

Who calls us semetic?

European Colonialists who With Turkic Jews conspired to remove us from the pages of history.

I challenge the christians of the forum.

Why does the Latin Vulgate and Orthodox Bible say Arab or Dedan while the king james version says nomad or wilderness?

Arabs are derived from Hamitic people and so called semetics who lived in Yemen and Migrated North.

Other Arabs like myself are from Ismail/Ischmael and Esau/Syria who was a Chaldean and egyptian Mix.

 

 

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  Quote Ahmed The Fighter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Aug-2005 at 02:32

Then who are the real semitic as I know Arabs,Jews, Assyrians,Sumerian,

Aramics are semitic.

All Africa nations are hamitic.

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  Quote Al Bedawi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Aug-2005 at 21:19
Dear Brother Azmith and Ahmed, Give me a few days I am searching my collection of books for a verse by a Roman who conqured Phoenicia where he talks about the "ungartic" speakers who colonized syria whos origin was a Greek isle.

As for the Ajam.

Akkadians are Qahtani derived.

Babylonians are from Dil.mun/Tilmun which is either Bahrein or Irans Kish Island and are NON semetic. they are either ProtoIranic Or are the People the aryans pushed out of the Iranian Plateau when they came from central asia.

I did not mention summeria as semetic as the greek name for this land was mesopotamia which in greek meant it was mixed.

Elam is claimed by both arab and iranian
Assyria by arabs and native assyrians
chaldea By assyrian,By arab and by jew

I have an excellent weblink to many of the names of cities in the middle east corresponding to yemeni/himyarite valley civilizations/tribes.


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Arab, together with other languages (Hebrew, Phoenician, Aramaic, Akkadian...) forms the Semitic sub-family. Ancient Egyptian, Amharic (and other Etiopian tongues), Somali, Berber languages... form the so called Hamitic sub-family. Both are related in a linguistic family called Afro-Asian.

Sumerian is not linked with these (one theory connects it with the so called Austric super-family of tongues, spread through S. Asia basically, but this is so far speculative).

Myself, I'm interested in knowing how was Arabia before Islam. What those people belived in, which were their customs, their tribes or states, their way of living. Can anyone tell me?



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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Aug-2005 at 13:30

Arab are semetic  what you are talking about you are completly wrong all these nation you mentioned it are semetic.

Arabs are Semitic. The rest, Hamitic. Sumerian, none. I am right.

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Originally posted by Oguzoglu

Sumerian wasnt Hamitic, neither Arabic. arabic is Semitic. Northern African languages (Berber, original Egyptian etc.) were Hamitic. Sumerian belongs to none of those, its origins arent clear, but it is sure that it isnt any related with the other language groups of Middle East.

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Who are arabs? My lovely neighbours out here
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 Arab are semetic  what you are talking about you are completly wrong all these nation you mentioned it are semetic.
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Sumerian wasnt Hamitic, neither Arabic. arabic is Semitic. Northern African languages (Berber, original Egyptian etc.) were Hamitic. Sumerian belongs to none of those, its origins arent clear, but it is sure that it isnt any related with the other language groups of Middle East.
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  Quote Ahmed The Fighter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Aug-2005 at 10:23
Completly agree with you Azimuth, If the Arab Hamitic what about sumerian ,Akkadian,Assyrian and Chaldean they Hamitic too please explain you confused me

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