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    Posted: 27-Nov-2005 at 02:26
Originally posted by Laelius

[Yes of course as it was the Massachusetts Bay Colony's obscene Theocratic Tyranny which proved the necessity of removing religous elements from the federal government.  Oh and the legal foundations of the United States is British Common Law, not the lunatic rantings of some fringe Christian group of fanatics.

  Bzzzt  - and thank you for playing.

        A note for those scoring at home:

        The Mayflower was one of two ships hired by Brownist dissenters, who were
anything but Church of England,  to take them to Virginia (the other was the
Speedwell, but it turned back with severe leakage.).   The Mayflower arrived
off what became Provincetown on Cape Cod, and then finally settled ashore to
establish the Plymouth colony, all this in 1620.

        The Puritans, who were the radical innovators of the Church of England,
arrived in Boston harbor in 1627/28 with over a dozen ships and a thousand
people, essentially a city pre loaded on boats, taking advantage of a
"loophole" in the company charter that allowed them to hold company meetings
outside of London.   Well, one must admit that Massachusetts is "outside of
London".   They were not happy with the discovery of the Pilgrim colony "up the
coast", south of Boston.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Nov-2005 at 09:52

i am scoring at home, and i gave my points to Laelius.

The history of the colonization Massachusetts doesn't do anything to refute what Laelius said, which is that this religious theocracy of early Massachusetts had little to no influence on the actual Founding Fathers and Constitution-framers.

it is pretty funny, though, that if you examine the first two major settlements in the US (Massachusetts and Virginia), you have two of the major components of modern America...religious extremism and material gain

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Nov-2005 at 00:59

Thanks Murph and ummm Pinochet what exactly is your point and how did they even relate to the points of which I made?

 

Whats even more amusing is when you consider the regional difference during this country's early colonial past.  That being the fanatically religous puritanical northeast and the far looser materialistic South.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Dec-2005 at 21:49

Hello all, i havent really been keepin up on this thread but I found this quote from big Ben that seemed related to the issue at hand:

All of us who were engaged in the struggle must have observed frequent instances of superintending providence in our favor. To that kind providence we owe this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means of establishing our future national felicity. And have we now forgotten that powerful friend? Or do we imagine that we no longer need his assistance? I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth-that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the Ground without his Notice, is it probable that an Empire can rise without his Aid?"

Benjamin Franklin, To Colleagues at the Constitutional Convention
 
www.marksquotes.com/Founding-Fathers/Franklin/
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Dec-2005 at 23:55
Ben Franklin was also apart of the hell fire club and slept with many hookers at a young age. When he became older and decided to change his life around I believe, guess alot of people do that.
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