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  Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: an interesting question.
    Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 23:24

 

for those who think that this forum changed to Arabic forum

i dont know which part is it that you dont understand? !!

its Pre-Islamic Arabia AND the Islamic World,

Pre-Islamic Arabia is the Arabian Peninsula Before Islam and why we considered this?  because Arabian Peninsula Was Not under others Empires rule MOST of the time. so there are like 400 years which this lands History is not Included in any part of the Forums here. so the Admin added it to make a place for it.

ok that was the first part of the forum's name.

the secound Part.

Islamic world   does not mean Islamic Religion and Does Not mean Islamic Arabia ( Arabian Peninsula), it means Islamic World which is an Area which mostly had its History related to Islam from the point Islam reached it. and this is mostly Middle East and North Africa which are Not only Arabs had empirs there also did others such as Turks and Persians. and about the Turkish Empirs in the middle east is for sure were connected to Islam.

so from that we are not connecting Arabia to Islamic world we are Adding the part of Arabia's History before islam which does not fit in the Ancient Civilization and does not fit in the former Islamic World forums.

Plus all that this name was agreed by the founder of the site first and  a Turkish member who is Jagtai Khan and an Iranian member Zargos purya and me as a moderator of this section.

so what is the problem??  why is putting Arabia in the forum name makes you think that its all about Arabia? if you hadn't noticed yet there is a forum there named Africa, Americas, India, and SE Asia,  does than mean that we are connecting African History to Americas and India and SE Asia??

or its the usual paranoia from everything Arabs has their names in?

 

 

 

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  Quote Dawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 22:04

Originally posted by erci


your post declares you know nothing about the issue.ok I'll open a new board and include Byzantium with the Ottomans in same forum just because I, the founder is a Turk and I want it this way.and it won't be hard to find a mod to suck up either

Accually it shows I don't care what the issue is but I do care about some member threatening to make more work for the already streched thin Mod staff just because he didn't get his own way. And it has nothing to do with sucking up and everything to do with out of the 1600+ members including you and me (that has been a member for a good long time) only Cyrus has the ability and right to do as he sees fit. it is his board.

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  Quote Al Bedawi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 21:06
It is worth Noting that Historians recorded the Historic link of the berbers of algeria with yemen via the claimed berber zenata trible claiming descent from Yusef ibn Qahtan
Our Yemeni Motherland
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 19:22
Not that the name of this forum is going to change anything in the real world but as I said before there was nothing wrong with the title Islamic World at the first place.

The name Arab and Islam have been incorrectly used as synonyms by many. How many times have you heard the term Arab and Islamic world in the media as if they were the same thing and Arabs own Islam Titles like this just adds to that stereo type. Arabs are small minority among Muslims no matter how you count the number of Arabs and Muslims, and Arabs do use Islam to push their nationalism.  Putting India and Africa in the same forum is not exactly the same.   

In reality the only pre-Islamic history Arabs may have would be Yemen and even that would be a long stretch to call Yemenis Arabs. Not to mentions that  Yemens history is more tied to East Africa and Ethiopia than any thing from middle east.

Middle east and North Africa has been and is a very diverse place and Arab have and still are trying to step anyone elses identity that dare not call him/herself Arab. Israel is getting all the condemnation for pushing a few Palestinians around, but if you look at Arabs they are doing even worse not only they are in someone elses home they also claim that native people dont even exist.    




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  Quote HulaguHan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 19:17
Which book do you want? Go and purchase any kind of an Ottoman Empire book. It will write everything they do. Noone is reported to go there.
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  Quote Al Bedawi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 18:55
Show me proofs they did not.

This is clear shirk on the part of the so called sultans

never mind the foolishness of regarding a Non arab as a Khalif.

(This is not a racist statement, In sunnah  the Book of govergnment both in Muslim and Bukhari spells out that the Khalifate Must be from an arab and this is agreed upon by both Jamiat w Sunnah and the shia ashrisasi
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  Quote erci Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 17:56
I wasn't against to first form "Islamic world". I too agree it's where it belongs

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  Quote The Guardian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 17:46
Originally posted by HulaguHan

I will post my Ottoman Empire, Safavid Empire, Seljuk Empire vs... messages to the Steps Forum.

that would not be intelligent

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  Quote The Guardian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 17:44

Originally posted by erci

I don't think it should be included in Pre-Islamic Arabia and the Islamic World either.

why not?It is where it belongs

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  Quote erci Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 17:36
Originally posted by Dawn

This is just foolishness.

Let me explain it to you:

The forum break down loosly ties like thgings together when possible. In some cases there is not sufficiant activity to warrent seperate forums for given topics and unrelated areas get grouped together as is the case with Africa,india the ammericas and sw asia. It is for admin. purposes thats all. The reson that there is an Irainian forum is because there has been much traffic there and our founder is Irainian and wants it there. Now get over it. The lay out is the layout and if you are on happy with it feel free to Not post here. If you fail to post in the appropriate area your topics as Cyrus said will be moved.



your post declares you know nothing about the issue.ok I'll open a new board and include Byzantium with the Ottomans in same forum just because I, the founder is a Turk and I want it this way.and it won't be hard to find a mod to suck up either
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  Quote erci Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 17:23
Originally posted by Al Bedawi

I do not mind the forums name at all.


Look at the Ignorance displayed by HelagulHan
No Ottoman Padishah made pilgrimage of Mekka?

Interesting

I just do not think we need to say Pre Islamic Arabia,When Arabia will do But I am 85% - 92% satisfied.


As far as I understand there is nothing wrong with what hulagu said.You as an arab may think so but I as a Turk see no relations with arab.we just ruled you some hundred years that's it.we also ruled Balkans, noth africa etc...

I don't care about forum names either but as far as I know you're the one who made a big deal out of it!

well, since you satisfied 85 to 92% why don't you ask to cyrus more.that way he can fulfil your request and you'll be 100% satisfeid...


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  Quote magavan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 15:58

Turks are poor subjects?!

Maybe is true.....

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  Quote HulaguHan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 15:56

OK, we should live with this I think , since our lords and ladies are ordering us to do so. Since this is an imperial forum and we are just poor subjects.

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  Quote Dawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 15:53
First off It my Lady not my Lord. Second it is up to the administrators and site designers  and I will warn you they are getting fed up with all the nonsense going on right now( not just this but other problems as well) . Please remember we don't always get what we want.

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  Quote HulaguHan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 15:46

There is too much traffic in Turkish topics too.

No, with permission my lord, I can not get over it, I can not get over to be cathegorized as Arab, Iranian, Roman, Greek, etc... I do not want a forum too. But just put us in an international part, not in an arabic or iranian or whatever forum.

Al Bedawi, please show me any Ottoman Emperor who went to pilgramage or a Seljuk Sultan...



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  Quote Dawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 15:34

This is just foolishness.

Let me explain it to you:

The forum break down loosly ties like thgings together when possible. In some cases there is not sufficiant activity to warrent seperate forums for given topics and unrelated areas get grouped together as is the case with Africa,india the ammericas and sw asia. It is for admin. purposes thats all. The reson that there is an Irainian forum is because there has been much traffic there and our founder is Irainian and wants it there. Now get over it. The lay out is the layout and if you are on happy with it feel free to Not post here. If you fail to post in the appropriate area your topics as Cyrus said will be moved.

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  Quote Al Bedawi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 15:27
I do not mind the forums name at all.


Look at the Ignorance displayed by HelagulHan
No Ottoman Padishah made pilgrimage of Mekka?

Interesting

I just do not think we need to say Pre Islamic Arabia,When Arabia will do But I am 85% - 92% satisfied.
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  Quote HulaguHan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 15:23

So you say this is not an Arabian forum?

Well thanks to you guys, Turks who were never a subject of Arabs are in the Arabian forum, while Iranians are outside. I mean since Varnagians do not make NOrdics a subject of Romans, the Turkish Praetorian guard of caliphs will not make Turks subjects of arabs either.

Point is, Ottoman Empire and Seljuk Empire were having Sassanid state systems combined with Roman and Turkish military systems.

Ottoman Empire and pre-Islamic beduins are totally different. Religion similarity is just a similarity. No Ottoman Padishah never became a pilgrim of mecca...

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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 14:55

You can post your topics everywhere but they will be moved to their proper forums, this forum is about Pre-Islamic Arabia and the Islamic world (X & Y differs from X = Y! ), so all related topics will be moved here.

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  Quote Seljuk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Jul-2005 at 08:00
Originally posted by THE TURK

Originally posted by HulaguHan

I will post my Ottoman Empire, Safavid Empire, Seljuk Empire vs... messages to the Steps Forum.

I agreed. I will post my ottoman empire msg to steppe forum too.

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