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Topic: First Empire In History Posted: 11-Jan-2007 at 15:01 |
If Persia did not conquer Ionian cities,there would be no revolts and everything would be fine.
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Posted: 12-Jan-2007 at 08:06 |
Originally posted by Spartakus
If Persia did not conquer Ionian cities, there would be no revolts and everything would be fine. |
Persia could've conquered Ionia & avoided revolts at the same time if they had done it like the Lydians did when they conquered some Greek Ionian cities; they let the Greeks continue their normal lives & the results were extremely positive for both.
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Posted: 12-Jan-2007 at 22:13 |
Originally posted by Shiroyeh
Originally posted by konstantinius
Originally posted by Khashayarshah
Originally posted by konstantinius
Absolutely not. The Sumer/Akkad Empire and then the first Assyrian
Empire were definetely before the Achaemenids. Then, we have the
Hittite Empire and that of NK Egypt that extended up to the Lebanese
coast.
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The first WORLD EMPIRE my friend.
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What is that supposed to mean? Did the Persian Empire extend to China or Africa? What is a "world empire", what are its limits and how did it differ from its previous empires?
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Sorry to jump in here Cyrus :)
Correct me if I am wrong... Achamenid Persia was the world's first super power, the mightiest empire to ever exist up until that point in time and ruled the majority of the known world.
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The same can be said for the 1st Assyrian Empire.
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Posted: 12-Jan-2007 at 22:21 |
Whats a bit puzzling is the fact that the Ionian Greeks gave Alexander more resistance than any other peoples he conquered. They actually saw him as more of a threat than the Persians were.
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Posted: 12-Jan-2007 at 23:35 |
Originally posted by Penelope
Whats a bit puzzling is the fact that the Ionian Greeks gave Alexander more resistance than any other peoples he conquered. They actually saw him as more of a threat than the Persians were. |
Wow are you serious...never knew that . I always thought the Siege of Tyre was the toughest part of the campaign.
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Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 20:25 |
Originally posted by konstantinius
Originally posted by Khashayarshah
Originally posted by konstantinius
Absolutely not. The Sumer/Akkad Empire and then the first Assyrian
Empire were definetely before the Achaemenids. Then, we have the
Hittite Empire and that of NK Egypt that extended up to the Lebanese
coast.
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The first WORLD EMPIRE my friend.
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What
is that supposed to mean? Did the Persian Empire extend to China or
Africa? What is a "world empire", what are its limits and how did it
differ from its previous empires?
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The Achaemenian empire had most of the known world. That's why it is
called, was called, and always will be called the first world
empire. They conquered most of the powerful empires to get
theirs. They conquered the egyptians, babylonians, assyrians, medes,
almost everybody that was powerful.
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Posted: 30-Jan-2007 at 20:27 |
Originally posted by konstantinius
Originally posted by Khashayarshah
Originally posted by konstantinius
Absolutely not. The Sumer/Akkad Empire and then the first Assyrian
Empire were definetely before the Achaemenids. Then, we have the
Hittite Empire and that of NK Egypt that extended up to the Lebanese
coast.
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The first WORLD EMPIRE my friend.
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What
is that supposed to mean? Did the Persian Empire extend to China or
Africa? What is a "world empire", what are its limits and how did it
differ from its previous empires?
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Oh, and it did extend to africa. It got egypt, which is part of africa.
It had some of europe, asia, and egypt. That's Three continents.
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Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 00:06 |
It really depends on how one defines "first world empire". Some people consider how "big" an "empire" is before they would give that empire the title, such as having a continent-wide influence, or like someone described the Persian Empire, as having influence on more than one continent.
The other way to define "first world empire" is simply to identify the "first empire" in "world history". That is usually given to the Akkadian Empire, given that we do have contemporary documentation to show administrative control outside its core territory (i.e. king over provincial governors and vassal kings) beyond the hegemonic level, which characterised the earlier period (i.e. most powerful king having seniority in treaty relations with less powerful kings).
The thread title is simply asking for the "first empire in history" and that should go to the Akkadian Empire.
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Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 00:45 |
Persian Empire and that's all.
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Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 02:50 |
siriusly!!!
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Posted: 01-Feb-2007 at 05:23 |
something like that.
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Posted: 05-Feb-2007 at 03:30 |
The first "empire" in the history, according to Azerbaijani mid. school book, it is Akkadian "empire"
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Posted: 05-Feb-2007 at 06:34 |
Persian Empire was first true empire they had 7/8 their known world.
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Posted: 05-Feb-2007 at 13:20 |
citation: major political unit having a territory of great extent or a number of territories or peoples under a single sovereign
it means that the akkadian empire had people under theyre dominion it is recognized as the first empire
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Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 00:06 |
Persian emire was the first empire that had territories in three continents and had very high level governing system, religion tolerance, sophisticated post systems and even mighty and stable army, beside their vast empire and amout of races and tribes they had is their empire. they divided their vast treitory in smaller area as satrap(state) and each satrap has its own governer and milittary even their own kind of money that they use in their satrap. they had first federal state in history. their systems of governing and treating we their citizens specially in time of the first emperores of this empire are without doubt one of the best in all ages. You can compare any other kingdoms with them. Roman empire actually adapt a lot of persian achievment in military and governing,... systems and hellenic science and culture and developed them.
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Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 03:43 |
yes but the akkadian empire had also people under its control an civiliztion you should not forget that this was the first civilization and not so advanced as the persian empire still it has the factors of an empire
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Posted: 06-Feb-2007 at 16:11 |
The Akkadian Empire was the first empire in history.
The Egyptian Empire (c. 1550-1200 BC) was the first transcontinental empire.
The British Empire was the first world empire "the sun never set on the British Empire".
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