Sun and Lion

Originally posted by yomud im sry guys but i miss this part !

He have been arguing that

The issue is that could todays figure come from similar old paganic art. The god on a lion is very common and god is shining like a sun

It could be; people have used the sun as the symbol of god like eagle for Zeus in art and if the answer is yes(sun is a god), is it persian mithra or more older ones like Ishtar?

Originally posted by yomud and as you can see in every pic and flag from lion and sun rising the sun is female ! and thats make me think the symbol is Turkic ! even timurlane use this symbol and seljuks in the era of ghznavids the flag was golden sun in field of black / golden lion in field of black

You are right about Seljuk coin. The lion is the sultan and sun is her Georgian wife(yes, it is female). But which other pics??? like you I prefer male-moon and female-sun model however there is also male Sun god in Turkic myths; Koyash

Originally posted by ollios ]He have been arguing that The issue is that could todays figure come from similar old paganic art. The god on a lion is very common and god is shining like a sun It could be; people have used the sun as the symbol of god like eagle for Zeus in art and if the answer is yes(sun is a god), is it persian mithra or more older ones like Ishtar?

i don't know much about mitra or ashtar  well i think it would be better to ask this from cyrus  but as far as i learn from school persian have only one god that is ahura mazda ( he is a men ) and have only one evil that is ahriman ( he is also a man) and they fight against ahriman they don't worship evil

Originally posted by ollios ]You are right about Seljuk coin. The lion is the sultan and sun is her Georgian wife(yes, it is female). But which other pics???

   well of you just write the turkic dynasty and flag in google you will see those pic . in the books remain from that time says how their flags look like

Originally posted by mr_z Originally posted by yomud i don't know much about mitra or ashtar  well i think it would be better to ask this from cyrus  but as far as i learn from school persian have only one god that is ahura mazda ( he is a men ) and have only one evil that is ahriman ( he is also a man) and they fight against ahriman they don't worship evil Ahura Mazda is the Wise (light) Lord. He was the 'uncreated' god. He was not considered as man or mortal. In Zoroastrianism, he's generally not depicted or given physical form. Ahriman is the shortened, middle Persian version of the Avestan Angra Mainyu, meaning the angry, destructive mind. (mainyu=manishn in Pahvlavi and Manesh modern Persian) Angra Mainyu is contrasted with Spenta Mainyu, the beneficent and bounteous mind. So these two forces clearly refer to a state of mind and mentality than to beings of any kind. Humans having been endowed with free will, have to make an active choice between the two states of mind.  It's a real powerful message, when you think about it. Modern psychotherapy (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) is based on that very same principle.

very interesting and helpful  ty for righting my mistake  i must learn more b4 i speak about it

The lion is indeed often connected with solar/sun, perhaps because of its colour and its mane, and as "king/royal". It might possibly be connected with Shamash/Shem/Samson?
I have also seen lion connected with the moon in a middle eastern mythology but can't remember the details right now.

Lion was Babylon/Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel.

Lion is used for also a great leader like Richard Cour de Lion similar to Winston Churchill.

It is correct that the Lion is also the animal of the goddess Ishtar/Inana, and we similarily find Freyja riding a cat in Norse myth, and the harlot riding beast in Revalation. The lion is sometimes connected with the dragon/beast Tiamat slain by the hero god. Sometimes the labbu creature in Babylonian is called a "lion".

Nergal is lion in Babylonian.
The Sphinx is pretty early Egyptian lion though is disputed. It might be connected with the lion of Judah in Genesis 49 (many links of Jacob and Joseph with the 4th dynasty).

The lion is also connected with zodiacal constellation Leo.
When i compared the star maps with world map i found that some constellations match certain nations, and Leo was around about the Semite Middle East area, while Virgo is around about Israel area.

I was interested about the identity of the Lion and Bear and Leopard in Daniel/Revelation in the bible. The Lion is connected with the lion of Judah or Jesus ("Aslan") or Shem, and the Leopard is connected with Nimrod, but who the bear (northern/polar) is historically is not so clear.

It was interesting to study all the verses on lions and bears and leopards in the bible. In some the lion is good, in others is bad.