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Topic: BEST TANK IN THE WORLD Posted: 21-Feb-2009 at 17:42 |
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IMO the best protected tank in the world would be as follows-
Challenger 2 with Dorchester Chobham Armour + DU Layer (Like the Abrahms) Add on Shtora + Arena + Kaktus ERA and you have the best protected tank in the world.
Video of Arena in action- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-0WR_PokFk
Other countries have been testing their own APS-
Trophy (Israel) Quick Kill (US) Iron Fist (Israel) AMAP (Germany)
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Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 19:48 |
Originally posted by Badassbab
Armour wise the Challenger 2 and the Merkava 4 are probably the best followed by the Leopard and Abrams but no tank is immune. Where western tanks have faced threats on the battlefield, it's mostly against tanks from a generation behind them (T-72) and from infantry anti tank weapons that are decades old (RPG 7). When faced with newer weapons, they are easily knocked out (Merkava vs Kornet, Challenger vs RPG 29).
After the end of the Cold War, NATO tested their best anti tank projectile on a T-72 with Konkat 5 ERA and it shattered the round so they had to upgrade the shell to defeat Konkat. No good if World War 3 had broken out during the 80's. Of course the Russians have since upgraded Konkat.
Overall, taking every factor into account the Abrahms and Leopard probably take the crown. Some reckon the Merkava and I don't understand why. It's just a great big fortified mobile pillbox designed for the narrow streets of Gaza and the West Bank not for blitzing through Iraq or Germany.
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I agree. The Challenger 2 and the T-80 were the only contestants during Greece's contest of tanks (which also included the Leopard 2, Abrams, Leclerc and T-84) who accepted to test their armour with live fire. Combine that to the fact that after the purchase of Leopard 2 (which won the contest) during tests, its turret was penetrated (though, to their defence, the germans agreed to reinforce the turret's armour at no cost). Russian tanks are propably quite well protected when using active armour, propably better so than any western tank.
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Posted: 19-Feb-2009 at 19:17 |
Armour wise the Challenger 2 and the Merkava 4 are probably the best followed by the Leopard and Abrams but no tank is immune. Where western tanks have faced threats on the battlefield, it's mostly against tanks from a generation behind them (T-72) and from infantry anti tank weapons that are decades old (RPG 7). When faced with newer weapons, they are easily knocked out (Merkava vs Kornet, Challenger vs RPG 29).
After the end of the Cold War, NATO tested their best anti tank projectile on a T-72 with Konkat 5 ERA and it shattered the round so they had to upgrade the shell to defeat Konkat. No good if World War 3 had broken out during the 80's. Of course the Russians have since upgraded Konkat.
Overall, taking every factor into account the Abrahms and Leopard probably take the crown. Some reckon the Merkava and I don't understand why. It's just a great big fortified mobile pillbox designed for the narrow streets of Gaza and the West Bank not for blitzing through Iraq or Germany.
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Posted: 05-Jan-2009 at 23:42 |
I think the Merkava is the best or the Sho't
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Posted: 23-Jun-2007 at 19:39 |
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Any tank with a three man crew and no seperate armoured ammunition storage area can not be the best tank in the world.
The T-90 might be one of the best tanks in the world in performance / cost ratio. This makes it very attactive for developing countries that do not face a true heavy armour threat.
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Posted: 21-Jun-2007 at 15:43 |
The best tank in the world is t-90 Vihor
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Posted: 31-May-2007 at 17:33 |
something I've seen on TV (Discovery or NG, I'm not certain )
1. Leopard II - I might go with it
2. Centurion - well, the British made that stuff
3. T-34 - I would rather put it on top
4. Merkava - One of the best. Tested on the battlefield too, so in my humble opinion it's no. 2 at lest
4. Challenger - I really don't have enough stuff about that thing. Looks good but I can't go on saying something just because of what the crews say
5. Abrams - My personal opinion of it is that it is either overrated or under. Anyway, when are the guys from Browning or Colt going to produce a main gun of their own?
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8. T-80 - That was a Western production and I'm glad that the T-34 wasn't forgotten
My opinion:
1. T-34 (remember, it's about the best ever, not the best now)
2. Leo & Merkava (the former seems better, the latter behaved as what it was supposed)
3 Abrams & T-80 (the US might have the tech but the T-80 has some other stuff <experience in building really reliable stuff?>)
? Challenger - many sources about this beast that are inconsistent. I just wasn't able to make a clear image of what it is.
? Centurion - I would rather go for the Comet
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Posted: 31-May-2007 at 11:35 |
Originally posted by pekau
I wonder... if some tanks have unranium plate armor... wouldn't the people in the tank die faster due to the radioactivity of uranium? |
It is "depleted" uranium, the stones and rocks in your fields at home have more radiation coming from them than the stuff that is made into armour or DU armour piercing rounds.
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Posted: 30-May-2007 at 15:30 |
I wonder... if some tanks have unranium plate armor... wouldn't the people in the tank die faster due to the radioactivity of uranium?
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Posted: 17-May-2007 at 18:33 |
The M1A2 export version is not the same M1A2 that the U.S. Army uses. It doesn't have the Chobham armor, optics, fbcb2, or the many other upgrades the US has done on the M1A2, like the new urban upgrade adding reactive armor, as coaxial .50 cal, and CROWS system to the Commanders .50 cal.
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Posted: 29-Mar-2007 at 14:46 |
Originally posted by Armillo
I prefer the Black Eagle. It has superior sloped armour in contrary to the Abrams, Challenger and Leopard II. At High distance, Abrams Shells are bounced of the amour plates..
In the Second World War, the Panther was the best tank, together with T34/85. The Tiger 8.8 is very famous around the world, but the Panther 75 mm outclassed the Tigers 8.8 gun. From long range, the 8.8 could not break through T-34 Armour with ease. The 75 mm L/71 was more effective than the 88 mm L/56 of the Tiger I. Any further why the Tiger I was a total craptank, was because its armour. It wasn't sloped and less thick than the Panther's sloped armour. The only reason why this tank has a good image is because of the crew(the most skilled, and most tactical of germany) and 1942 to late 1943(in wich a lot of Russian tanks were destroyed by the low number of Tigers availeble..only in that period, the Tiger was an outstanding tank.
The Panther also was faster, more resisent against its task. The JagdPanther was better than the JagdTiger. The 128 mm was outclassed by the 88, because of the AP shell of the 128 was not good, and the Muzzle velocity was lower.
The Tiger II's bad operating image is only because American tests with a few damaged Tiger II's. It performed well in offensive actions. It was quite manouverable. But the Panther reached speed of 45 km/h
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1. The Black Eagle hasn't even reached production stage because Omsk Transmash, the company making it, has been banckrupt since 2002. It has had no real trials, its only been shown off, the turret was fake both times it was shown off, it's got a T-80 hull (at least in 1997). There's not really anything to the Black Eagle other than the turret, which hasn't been made yet, so it looks good on paper, maybe not on the battlefield. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Eagle_tank http://armor.kiev.ua/fofanov/Tanks/MBT/b_eagle.html 2. The Panther is not one of the best tanks from WWII. I believe you failed to take into account it's poor reliability. The Panther also had terrible mobility, as it couldn't go very far on road marches without needing repair or breaking down. In fact, I believe the only thing that tank had going for it was maybe good armour and it's 75mm gun. Read these pages: http://www.3ad.com/history/wwll/pool.pages/armor.myths.htm http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=118212&sid=e0cdd54152255c416417aa8847a6d9a8
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Posted: 21-Mar-2007 at 10:53 |
I prefer the Black Eagle. It has superior sloped armour in contrary to the Abrams, Challenger and Leopard II. At High distance, Abrams Shells are bounced of the amour plates..
In the Second World War, the Panther was the best tank, together with T34/85. The Tiger 8.8 is very famous around the world, but the Panther 75 mm outclassed the Tigers 8.8 gun. From long range, the 8.8 could not break through T-34 Armour with ease. The 75 mm L/71 was more effective than the 88 mm L/56 of the Tiger I. Any further why the Tiger I was a total craptank, was because its armour. It wasn't sloped and less thick than the Panther's sloped armour. The only reason why this tank has a good image is because of the crew(the most skilled, and most tactical of germany) and 1942 to late 1943(in wich a lot of Russian tanks were destroyed by the low number of Tigers availeble..only in that period, the Tiger was an outstanding tank.
The Panther also was faster, more resisent against its task. The JagdPanther was better than the JagdTiger. The 128 mm was outclassed by the 88, because of the AP shell of the 128 was not good, and the Muzzle velocity was lower.
The Tiger II's bad operating image is only because American tests with a few damaged Tiger II's. It performed well in offensive actions. It was quite manouverable. But the Panther reached speed of 45 km/h
Tiger, Tiger, no, Gimme a Panter
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Posted: 17-Mar-2007 at 20:18 |
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Posted: 19-Feb-2007 at 18:18 |
Originally posted by xristar
Isn't Leo C2 a Leopard 1 variant? |
The ones with MEXAS have Leo 1 frames. CAF claims MEXAS weight would make a 2A6 too heavy but I don't know.
You're probably right about the 2A6 being as good or better.
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Posted: 19-Feb-2007 at 07:42 |
Isn't Leo C2 a Leopard 1 variant?
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Posted: 15-Feb-2007 at 18:13 |
Originally posted by xristar
What exactly is MEXAS armour? |
Posted what I know about it earlier in this thread in my post with the photos of the Canadian Leo C2 tanks in Afghanistan.
Originally posted by xristar
I (honestly) thought that out Leo2 A6HELs were the best (why else would we pay all that money?) |
MEXAS is so expensive that the chance of encountering a tank with it on the battlefield is minimal.
Canada sent only a few tanks with MEXAS to Afghanistan, like a dozen I think, not more.
I agree with you about the Leo 2A6 HEL being the top tank otherwise.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2007 at 17:52 |
What exactly is MEXAS armour?
I (honestly) thought that out Leo2 A6HELs were the best (why else would we pay all that money? Nonetheless they are pretty good -at least compared to Turkey's)
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Posted: 14-Feb-2007 at 19:33 |
Originally posted by Neoptolemos
Which is better, Leopard 2C or Leopard 2HEL? |
Leo C2 has 2 versions: with & without MEXAS armor.
The Leo C2 with MEXAS is better than the Leo 2A6 HEL but the Leo C2 without MEXAS is not.
MEXAS is very limited usage due to the crazy price.
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Posted: 14-Feb-2007 at 19:09 |
Originally posted by Hellios
Topic: BEST TANK IN THE WORLD
The Leopard C2. Made in Canada (under license). |
Which is better, Leopard 2C or Leopard 2HEL?
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Posted: 13-Feb-2007 at 23:46 |
American M1 Abrams and Leopard II get my vote, but I am huge fan of the T-34 and its upgrades series. Gotta admit the capability of these Soviet tanks if Soviet Union had good economy like US. Germans won't be pleased with the new scenario...
Edited by pekau - 13-Feb-2007 at 23:47
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