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    Posted: 17-May-2005 at 18:36
As far as I know, British-made Challlenger II has the best defense and armour protection in the world: "The Challenger 2 is the best protected tank in NATO (10)". http://fprado.com/armorsite/chall2.htm

Its unique rifle main gun allows it to fire at a much longer and precise distance than any other tanks in the world (a Challenger II penetrated an Iraqi T-72 at a distance of over 4000m, and its still the record). And, these two characteristics make up for its lack of speed and maybe the lack of versatile weaponary due to its rifle gun.

In terms of combat expereince, it had better survivability in comparison with MIA2: only one Challenger II was lost due to friendly fire from the other Challenger II.
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  Quote vulkan02 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-May-2005 at 15:26
Nobody else has an opinion ??
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  Quote I/eye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-May-2005 at 01:16
yeah.. made for hilly/mountainous Korean terrain
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isn't t he K1A1 just a modifitied M1A1 Abrams?
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  Quote I/eye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-May-2005 at 20:46

wait a few years.. Korean XK2 will kick some ass

current K1A1 should be in the top 10 but not in the top 5..

XK2 will fight for the very top spot..

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  Quote redimus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-May-2005 at 15:49

LOL @ the M1 the greatest, at least from what I've heard.  That thing has had more maintenance issues than Liz Taylor.

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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-May-2005 at 11:48
Originally posted by Yiannis

Well, I'm not convinced that it's that good (then again I'm no tank expert, so don't count on my opinion)

There's a similar post on this forum, only these guys have forgotten more about tanks than we'll ever know.

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M1A1 / M1A2 ABRAMS MAIN BATTLE TANK, USA

The M1A1/2 Abrams main battle tank is manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS). The first M1 tank was produced in 1978, the M1A1 in 1985 and the M1A2 in 1986. 3,273 M1 tanks were produced for the US Army. 4,796 M1A1 tanks were built for the US Army, 221 for the US Marines and 555 co-produced with Egypt. Egypt has ordered a further 200 M1A1 tanks with production to continue to 2005. 77 M1A2 tanks have been built for the US Army, 315 for Saudi Arabia and 218 for Kuwait. For the M1A2 Upgrade Program, over 600 M1 Abrams tanks are being upgraded to M1A2 configuration. Deliveries began in 1998.

In March 2004, the Australian Army announced the purchase of 59 US Army M1A1 tanks to enter service from 2007.

M1A2 SYSTEM ENHANCEMENT PACKAGE (SEP)

In February 2001, GDLS were contracted to supply 240 M1A2 tanks with a system enhancement package (SEP) by 2004. The M1A2 SEP contains an embedded version of the US Army's Force XXI command and control architecture; new Raytheon Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer (CITV) with second generation thermal imager; commander's display for digital colour terrain maps; DRS Techologies second generation GEN II TIS thermal imaging gunners sight with increased range; driver's integrated display and thermal management system. The US Army planned to procure a total of 1150 M1A2 SEP tanks but the US Army has decided to cancel future production of the M1A2 SEP from FY2004.

Under the Firepower Enhancement Package (FEP), DRS Techologies has also been awarded a contract for the GEN II TIS to upgrade US Marine Corps M1A1 tanks. GEN II TIS is based on the 480 x 4 SADA (Standard Advanced Dewar Assembly) detector. The FEP also includes an eyesafe laser rangefinder, north-finding module and precision lightweight global positioning receiver which provide targeting solutions for the new Far Target Locate (FTL) function. FTL gives accurate targeting data to a range of 8,000m with a CEP (Circular Error of Probability) of less than 35m.

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In June 2004, DRS Technologies was awarded a contract to provide systems including rugged appliqu computers for the M1A2 Abrams tanks (and M2A3 Bradley fighting vehicles) as part of the US Army's Force XXI Battle Command, Brigade and Below (FBCB2) program. FBCB2 is a digital battle command information system which provides enhanced interoperability and situation awareness from brigade to individual soldier that will be used in conjunction with the Army's Tactical Internet.

M1 ABRAMS ARMAMENT

The main armament is the 120mm M256 smoothbore gun, developed by Rheinmetall GmbH of Germany. The 120mm gun fires the following ammunition: the M865 TPCSDS-T and M831 TP-T training rounds, the M8300 HEAT-MP-T and the M829 APFSDS-T which includes a depleted uranium penetrator. Textron Systems provides the Cadillac Gage gun turret drive stabilisation system.

The commander has a 12.7mm Browning M2 machine gun and the loader has a 7.62mm M240 machine gun. A 7.62mm M240 machine gun is also mounted coaxially on the right hand side of the main armament.

DEPLETED URANIUM ARMOUR

The M1A1 tank incorporates steel encased depleted uranium armour. Armour bulkheads separate the crew compartment from the fuel tanks. The top panels of the tank are designed to blow outwards in the event of penetration by a HEAT projectile. The tank is protected against nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) warfare.

One L8A1 six-barrelled smoke grenade discharger is fitted on each side of the turret. A smoke screen can also be laid by an engine operated system.

FIRE CONTROL AND OBSERVATION

The commander's station is equipped with six periscopes, providing 360 degree view. The Raytheon Commander's Independent Thermal Viewer (CITV) provides the commander with independent stabilised day and night vision with a 360 degree view, automatic sector scanning, automatic target cueing of the gunner's sight and back-up fire control.

The M1A2 Abrams tank has a two-axis Raytheon Gunner's Primary Sight- Line of Sight (GPS-LOS) which increases the first round hit probability by providing faster target acquisition and improved gun pointing. The Thermal Imaging System (TIS) has magnification x10 narrow field of view and x3 wide field of view. The thermal image is displayed in the eyepiece of the gunner's sight together with the range measurement from a laser rangefinder. The Northrop Grumman (formerly Litton) Laser Systems Eyesafe Laser Rangefinder (ELRF) has a range accuracy to within 10m and target discrimination of 20m. The gunner also has a Kollmorgen Model 939 auxiliary sight with magnification x8 and field of view 8 degrees.

The digital fire control computer is supplied by General Dynamics - Canada (formerly Computing Devices Canada). The fire control computer automatically calculates the fire control solution based on: lead angle measurement; bend of the gun measured by the muzzle reference system; velocity measurement from a wind sensor on the roof of the turret; data from a pendulum static cant sensor located at the centre of the turret roof. The operator manually inputs data on ammunition type, temperature, and barometric pressure.

The driver has either three observation periscopes or two periscopes on either side and a central image intensifying periscope for night vision. The periscopes provide 120 degrees field of view. The DRS Technologies Driver's Vision Enhancer (DVE), AN/VSS-5, is based on a 328 x 245 element uncooled infrared detector array, operating in the 7.5 to 13 micron waveband. A Raytheon Driver's Thermal Viewer, AN/VAS-3, is installed on the M1A2 Abrams tanks for Kuwait.

PROPULSION

The M1 is equipped with a Honeywell AGT 1500 gas turbine engine. The Allison X-1100-3B transmission provides four forward and two reverse gears. The US Army has selected Honeywell International Engines and Systems and General Electric to develop a new LV100-5 gas turbine engine for the M1A2. The new engine is lighter and smaller with rapid acceleration, quieter running and no visible exhaust.

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  Quote vulkan02 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-May-2005 at 10:47
no matter the tests i still put Abrams at no. 1 spot.  I dont think any other tank in the list has depelted Uranium armor.
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  Quote Yiannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-May-2005 at 10:35

Well, I'm not convinced that it's that good (then again I'm no tank expert, so don't count on my opinion)but it's impressing how a small country can produce such high-tech products.

Is it exported to other countries?

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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-May-2005 at 10:10

I've heard the I and II called junk but never anything but respect for the IV. It's got the best front armour of any tank, and the distribution is unique (Israel being the country in the world with the most experience of tank combat). As for the tanks destroyed, not sure they were 4's but all tanks in the world are vulnerable to mines, it's nothing special.

Merkava Mk-4 Detailed


Merkava Mk4 tanks operating in the Palestinian town of Jenin on September 27. Jenin was the new unit's first combat operation. The Mk-4 is equipped with a 120 mm gun but the new gun is designed to sustain higher pressures, generating higher muzzle velocities which are an essential feature for advanced kinetic energy ammunition. The Merkava Mk4 can accomodate various 120mm ammunition types, including 120mm APFSDS-FS (kinetic) rounds, and their training derivatives, HEAT (hollow-charge) types and anti-personnel/anti-material ammunition which have already been used in combat operations with previous Merkava types. The tank will also be able to accommodate the
Lahat missile as it becomes operational. The loader can load the gun from a fully automated, fire-proof magazine which accommodates up to 10 ready rounds and deliver up to four types of ammunition types to the loader.

Merkava Mk4 rollout
The tank is equipped with a modern fire control and sighting system which includes computerized ballistic calculations and compensations, a dual axes stabilized gunner sight and a dual axis stabilized commander panoramic sight, both equipped with an advanced FLIR and TV channels for day and night operation. Merkava Mk4 turret top viewThe system is equipped with an improved tracking system which enables tracking of moving targets, such as tanks, helicopters,  vehicles or soldiers. It also enables locking the sight and gun on targets when the tank is on the move, utilizing the ultra-fast gun stabilization and electrical turret drive system. Merkava Mk4 Closeup on turretMerkava Mk-4 is believed to be protected by a new type of
hybrid armour, which can be conformed from modular elements, to match specific threats. The Mk-4 retains the hull design of the previous Merkava versions.

The tank also utilize the Battle Management System (BMS) designed by Elbit Systems' ElOp - the system is providing fast communication networking between the commander and subordinate units, and enables the crew to plan missions, navigate and continuously update their situation awareness. The system also enables Commander's BMC tactical display system as used in the Merkava Mk4recording and debriefing the operation, by utilizing the tank's digital recorder. The Merkava Mk4 is equipped with the new VDS-60 digital data recorder produced by Vectop, it records and restores the sight images and observation data collected during the mission. The capture of such images can also be shared by other elements, which are networked with the BMS, to enable reporting of enemy targets. This concept is rapidly becoming an essential part of the "digitized land forces" integrated battlefield concept, combining tanks, anti-tank and combat helicopters in a combined task force at various levels. Each crew member has an individual flat-panel color displays showing the status of systems each member is responsible for. The gunner and commander can also see the sight images on their individual screens. The commander can use his display for map navigate, orientation and reporting.

For example, the driver can see a rear and side view of the tank from the closed compartment. This capability is derived from a new, and unique system called Tank Sight System, developed by Vectop. The system provides video coverage the tank's surroundings in day and night. It improves safety, especially when traveling backwards and in conditions where the driver's visibility is impaired. Merkava Mk 4 uses four cameras installed in hardened cases embedded outside the tank. These cameras are providing full peripheral view displayed on high resolution monitors installed at the driver's position and in the fighting compartment.

Another feature provided by the "computerization" of the Merkava Mk4 is the introduction of "integrated training capability", providing the crew and unit a sophisticated training environment based on their tanks and readily available in the field. This capability will be integrated with the "virtual scenario" a set of virtual terrain features, friendly and enemy elements, and "intelligent" behaviors based on pre-set maneuvers, doctrinal concepts etc. All will be presented to the tank crew, and unit members, through their observation systems, sights and sensors, to support a comprehensive training scene in the field.

rear-Side view of the Merkava Mk4

Unique among the main battle tanks of the world, the Merkava design features a front-mounted power pack, which presents a heavy mass in the forward area, which protects the crew from enemy attack. This configuration also cleared room at the rear section for a safe exit and enough space to carry a few fully armed infantrymen, in addition to the crew. The rear access hatch allows for the quick and safe exit of injured crewmen or pickup of wounded soldiers for evacuation.

The engine pack is easily replaced. The tank is powered by the new General Dynamics GD833 1,500-horsepower direct injection, liquid cooled diesel engine, (co-produced in the USA by General Dynamics and MTU). This type is also powering the French Leclerc MBT. This powerful weighs 1.9 tons net, and 4.9 tons with its entire power-pack. This powerful engine affords the tank greater mobility than the previous versions, which had the 900 and 1,200-horsepower engines. The tank utilizes an electric turret and gun control system, designed by Elbit Systems, which comprises two electrical brushless motors, produced by Bental Industries.

Side view of the Merkava Mk4Merkava 4 is expected to be equipped with an active full perimeter defense, which utilizes, among other capabilities, warning against laser-guided threats. Further improvements include the Trophy active protection system, which is currently under advanced engineering phase. The Mk-4 like its predecessors, is also equipped with a central filtering system designed by Kinetics, which maintains positive air pressure at the fighting compartment, for protection in a chemical biological  and radiological (CBR) environment. The system also provides air conditioning for individual crew members (micro-cooling) and for the entire cabin, as well as auxiliary power when positioned at silent watch for battery recharging. Special modifications installed on Merkava Mk4 are preparing the tank to operate in urban environment of the Low Intensity Conflict.

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  Quote Yiannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-May-2005 at 07:09

Here's the initial press report on the tests:

Leopard wins Greek tank shoot-out (of course now we know that after all the Leopards were selected and ordered-I believe that they're already being delivered)

 The winner of the Greek Main Battle Tank (MBT) competition is expected to be announced in August this year but results of competition trials obtained by Jane's Defence Weekly have placed the German-made Leopard 2A5 in pole position.

The first batch of MBTs will be for 250 vehicles plus variants. Six MBTs carried out extensive firepower and mobility trials in Greece manned by Greek Army crews. These were the French Giat Industries Leclerc; German Krauss-Maffei Wegmann Leopard 2A5 in latest Swedish Strv 122 configuration; Russian Omsk Machine Construction Plant T-80U; Ukrainian Malyshev Plant T-84; UK Vickers Defence Systems Challenger 2E; and the US General Dynamics Land Systems M1A2 Abrams.

Of these six vehicles, out of a maximum possible operational and technical score of 100%, best performing were: Leopard 2A5, 78.65%; M1A2 Abrams, 72.21%; Leclerc, 72.03%; and Challenger, 2E 69.19%

The Leopard 2A5 was the only one with a demonstrated deep fording capability, while the M1A2 had the best firing results during hunter/killer target engagements.

The German 1,500hp MTU EuroPowerPack was fitted in both the Leclerc and the Challenger 2E and these two vehicles had the best cruising range and lower fuel consumption.

According to JDW sources, the recommendation of the Greek Armour Directorate to the Council for Defence Planning and Programme was that the choice be limited to just two vehicles: the German Krauss-Maffei Wegmann Leopard 2A5; and the US General Dynamics Land Systems M1A2 Abrams.

In addition to the results of the operational and technical trials a number of other factors were taken into account, such as the total number of vehicles built, number of users, NATO interoperability and experience of the Greek Army with current German and US MBTs.

While these operational and technical trials will play an important part in the Greek decision-making process, other crucial factors include: the offset arrangements; Greek added value; and politics. Of the above four MBTs, three are currently taking part in the Turkish Land Forces Command MBT trials. These are the Leopard 2A6; Leclerc; and M1A2. Vickers Defence Systems decided to concentrate on just one market, Greece.

The first batch of 250 MBTs and 12 armoured recovery vehicles will be followed by a second batch of 400, with most of these expected to be manufactured in Greece.

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From what I read Leopard is still the best tank, plus (Paul) I've read that Merkava is a pile of junk, the Palestinians already blew 2 of them to smithereens.

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Of the older generation. Most experts I've read rate the Merkava the best followed by the Leopard II. With the Challegger II and Abrahams about equal 3rd.

Of the newer tanks. The LeClerk Works along a different principle of mobile warfare. It's fast, light and has the best gun. It can fire and move at no loss of accuracy. The T-90 Black Eagle if it's turns out to be as good as it's supposed to be on paper is a class above all western tanks.

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A few years ago, the Hellenic Army organized a contest to test all modern MBTs in order to purchase the best one of them. The tanks were put into action under very demanding conditions in a large area near Litohoro, Macedonia and the tests included (among many others) movement, maneuvering, obstacle passing, trench crossing and of course, firinig ability.

The ranking was as follows: 1. Leopard 2 A6 (Germany), 2. M1 A2 Abrams (USA), 3. Leclerc (France), 4. Challenger 2 (UK), 5. T-84 (Ukraine) and 6. T-80 U (Russia).

In a few years, the Greek black berets will be proud to use the latest version of the best main battle tank in the world, the Leopard 2 A6 HEL!

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just wanted to know your opinions on this but most experts believe that the American M1 Abrams and German Leopard 2 are pretty much tied up for the number one spot. Other models in consideration are the French Leclerc, British Challanger 2 and probably the latest Russian T-80U. I found a great site at
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/#Main_Battle_Tanks
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The M1A2 firing its main armament the 120 mm smoothbore gun, US designation code M256, developed by Rheinmetall GmbH of Germany.


Sweden's Leopard 2(S) is the most advanced version of the Leopard MBT family. (german made)


The Leclerc Mk 2 fitted with snorchels to enable fording at up to 4m depth. (pretty cool look)


Challenger 2 on night exercise.


The T-80U's gas turbine engine is the GTD-1250 which produces 920kW (1,250hp).

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