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doublejm1
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Topic: Shocking Facts about Thomas Jefferson Posted: 03-Mar-2013 at 18:44 |
I'm a huge history buff and often write history articles for
leisure, the latest one featuring on Thomas Jefferson: Six Shocking Facts About
Thomas Jefferson
This, however, is a work in progress, for I update the
article with additional facts about Thomas Jefferson as I come across them. Do
you feel there was anything "shocking" about Jefferson's presidency
-- or, more generally, his life -- that I left out and should be included? The
article centers on the many contradictions Jefferson is still getting flak for
to this day.
Thoughts?
Thanks.
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Posted: 29-Mar-2013 at 16:44 |
Do you guys think Jefferson gets too much flak for being a slave owner when so many men of his day had slaves of their own?
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Posted: 07-Apr-2013 at 21:51 |
Any thoughts on the article? Looking for some feedback.
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The Founding Fathers had their flaws, as most men of their time did. Many of them were wealthy slave owners whose long term goal was to commit genocide against the Indians and steal their land. Andy Jackson killed a man in a duel and James Madison tried to invade Canada in the hope of forcing freedom upon its inhabitants.
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Posted: 08-Apr-2013 at 10:31 |
"... Many of them were wealthy slave owners whose long term goal was to commit genocide against the Indians and steal their land..."
Nick, there was never a U.S. government policy to "commit genocide against the Indians..." Also, back in the days of the founding of the republic, it was presumed that the Eastern tribes could easily relocate into the Mid-West, and later into the West." As for 'stealing their land', the early pioneers certainly believed that any good land that was unoccupied by one tribe or village was, per se, available for farming. They did not recognize the needs of local tribes for hunting grounds and presumed that game would always be there. So yes, Indian lands did get stolen. In the first half of the 19th Century, when gold was discovered in North Georgia, the U.S. government did come up with a plan to rob the Southeastern tribes of land that had been recognized as theirs. So, guilty as charged on that one, though not attributable to the "founding fathers".
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Posted: 08-Apr-2013 at 12:11 |
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Posted: 08-Apr-2013 at 19:32 |
You are here: Home » History » Six Shocking Facts About Thomas Jefferson
Best known as the third
commander-in-chief of the United States, author of the Declaration of
Independence, founder of the University of Virginia, and the mastermind
behind what was arguably the best real estate deal in the history of the
United States – the Louisiana Purchase – Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)
is ranked among the greatest U.S. presidents of all time. But many of
the decisions Jefferson made throughout his presidency and in his
personal life remain a source of controversy to this day. Read on for a
roundup of shocking facts about Thomas Jefferson that may forever
change your view of this venerated Founding Father.
For most of my life, I have been an avid U.S.
history buff, soaking up information on virtually everything from the
American Revolution to World War II like a sponge. Since so many of our
nation’s landmark events have revolved around the 44 men who have taken
the presidential oath of office, I’ve always felt compelled to learn as
much about them as possible. I find that most history lovers tend to
zero in on our most famous presidents – from Thomas Jefferson and
Abraham Lincoln to Teddy Roosevelt and Franklin Delano Roosevelt – and I’m no exception.
From the moment I learned that Thomas Jefferson authored
one of the most influential documents in American history – the
Declaration of Independence - I instantly became
entranced by this man. Over the years I probed deeper into his life and
unearthed a wealth of interesting tidbits, including the fact that
Jefferson was fluent in six languages and would study roughly 15 hours a
day during his formative years. Considering I love to learn new things
and always dreamed of being a writer, I can certainly draw parallels
between Jefferson and myself.
As much as I enjoy lauding Jefferson for his many accomplishments, it
isn’t fair to look at him – or any other historic figure for that
matter – through rose-colored glasses. The media and the history books
generally paint the Founding Fathers as flawless heroes, but these men
had their fair share of foibles like anyone else. Jefferson, in
particular, has been labeled a hypocrite for taking firm positions on
various issues and then making decisions that completely contradicted
those positions. Below are 6 shocking facts about Thomas Jefferson
that might leave you scratching your head and questioning whether
schools and the media should reassess how they portray the third
president of the United States.
1. Thomas Jefferson…a shy guy?
While Jefferson was masterful with a pen and paper, he was immensely
shy and introverted – so much, in fact, that he was always silent in
committee meetings leading up to the American Revolution. It’s no
wonder, then, that Jefferson delivered so few speeches throughout his
presidency, and that all of his annual messages were delivered in
writing rather than in person. However, what Jefferson lacked in social
skills he more than made up for in shrewdness, as evidenced by the
Louisiana Purchase – what many scholars consider the crowning
achievement of his presidency.
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Posted: 08-Jul-2013 at 23:05 |
Originally posted by Baal Melqart
The link doesn't work
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It should. I tried and it worked just fine.
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Posted: 03-Aug-2013 at 20:10 |
Originally posted by doublejm1
Do you guys think Jefferson gets too much flak for being a slave owner when so many men of his day had slaves of their own? |
Yes I do and at all the cheap attacks upon his character.
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Posted: 08-Aug-2013 at 23:07 |
Originally posted by tjadams
Originally posted by doublejm1
Do you guys think Jefferson gets too much flak for being a slave owner when so many men of his day had slaves of their own? |
Yes I do and at all the cheap attacks upon his character. |
Does he, in your opinion, get more flak than the other Founding Fathers do?
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Posted: 18-Aug-2013 at 17:53 |
Are there any Jefferson books out there that you guys can recommend?
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Posted: 19-Aug-2013 at 19:00 |
''The Essentials: Five Books on Thomas Jefferson''
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/The-Essentials-Five-Books-on-Thomas-Jefferson.html
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Posted: 16-Sep-2013 at 20:41 |
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
''The Essentials: Five Books on Thomas Jefferson''
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/The-Essentials-Five-Books-on-Thomas-Jefferson.html |
Thanks for sharing. There are a lot of good books out there on TJ -- let alone Washington and the other Founding Fathers.
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Posted: 05-Mar-2014 at 16:49 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
The Founding Fathers had their flaws, as most men of their time did. Many of them were wealthy slave owners whose long term goal was to commit genocide against the Indians and steal their land. Andy Jackson killed a man in a duel and James Madison tried to invade Canada in the hope of forcing freedom upon its inhabitants.
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If by " forcing freedom upon its inhabitants" you mean conquering Canada for USA, then I agree with you.
I don't think it is right to bash Jefferson for having slaves. I think all wealthy people had them during that era. Besides, he treated 'em well.
Edited by Stefany - 05-Mar-2014 at 16:50
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Posted: 05-Mar-2014 at 16:59 |
Stefany wrote; "I don't think it is right to bash Jefferson for having slaves. I think all wealthy people had them during that era. Besides, he treated 'em well."
Those words fall upon deaf ears of that part of the family that tries to trace their relationship to Thomas Jefferson because Thomas is accused of impregnating one of his slaves. Whilst this particular female slave may have be come pregnant via Jefferson blood, it was not Thomas but his brother, who was well known for his visits to the "Slave Quarters!"
But, it is all over the hill now!
Regards, Ron
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Posted: 05-Mar-2014 at 17:08 |
Originally posted by opuslola
Stefany wrote; "I don't think it is right to bash Jefferson for having slaves. I think all wealthy people had them during that era. Besides, he treated 'em well."
Those words fall upon deaf ears of that part of the family that tries to trace their relationship to Thomas Jefferson because Thomas is accused of impregnating one of his slaves. Whilst this particular female slave may have be come pregnant via Jefferson blood, it was not Thomas but his brother, who was well known for his visits to the "Slave Quarters!"
But, it is all over the hill now!
Regards, Ron
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Aw yes, tons of books have been written on the subject - was Thomas Jefferson really the father of Sally's kids. Until a cold solid proof is found, I will stick to my theory that Jefferson would never sleep with a slave lady. From what I read about Jefferson, he was a man of great honor.
But I think historians should care less with who Jefferson slept with and focus more on his political genius
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Posted: 06-Mar-2014 at 23:33 |
Stefany, it seems I need some Bulgarian translation somewhere else on this site?
Ron
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Posted: 07-Mar-2014 at 03:29 |
Originally posted by opuslola
Stefany, it seems I need some Bulgarian translation somewhere else on this site?
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I didn't get it.
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Posted: 08-Mar-2014 at 18:53 |
Stef!!
Here is what I found, and it just looked interesting!
Originally posted by Sidney
Originally posted by opuslola
And, by the way Sidney, with mu full appreciation, do you have the ability to figure out this site?
https://www.google.bg/search?q=%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B0+%D0%BD%D0%B0+%D1%81%D0%B2.+%D0%B9%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BC&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=cpAWU_zVLcmBqAG19ID4CA&ved=0CDUQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=590Another Latin source about the localization of Bulgarians http://www.promacedonia.org/libi/1/gal/1_393.html#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=xCL9xm0zrLT5YM%253A%3BoWEdT37iOnr5tM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.eurochicago.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2013%252F02%252FUntitled111.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.eurochicago.com%252F2013%252F02%252Fgolemite-pet-lazhi-v-balgarskata-istoriya-predstavyane-i-diskusiya-v-sofiya%252F%3B637%3B391
Seems like a lot of good stuff!
:"Life in the fast lane!" LOL
Ron
Your hit and run tactics are getting difficult to follow!
Can you explain what the point of these links are? What evidence are you presenting, what argument are you trying to support, what conclusions do you see, or, more likely, what research are you asking me to do on your behalf? Just sticking up a link with no indication of the what, why or wherefore is unhelpful for discussion.
And could you please learn how to post links correctly? It is unfortunately becoming a tiresome and unrewarding business having to rejig your failures. No impatience intended, but it would be a great help.
I don't know why it will not hyper-link, but it is a Bulgarian History site of some kind, and seems loaded with lots of good stuff. These words "карта на св. йероним" seem to identify the site and a search with these words shows a number of possibilities.
Sorry for the confusion. My knowledge of Bulgarian and anything Bulgarian is very limited! Smile!
Perhaps we have some Bulgarian speakers here?
Ron
Edited by opuslola - Mar-06-2014 at 21:54
Ron again!
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Posted: 08-Mar-2014 at 19:02 |
Dear Stef! I think if you merely do a search of this ; "These words "карта на св. йероним" seem to identify the site and a search with these words shows a number of possibilities."
Regards ,
Ron, from S. Mississippi, USA!
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