are south east asians partially indian?

I heard genetically south east Asian groups like Burmese, Thai, Cambodians and even vietnamese are 10-20% related to Indians genetically. I guess this may explain their tanned skin

their facial features also have some (indian) looks to them

















Edited by balochii - 02-Mar-2013 at 23:51

Balochii, if you read up on the various states of Southeast that existed prior to the Vietnamese march south, you will see that all had Indian merchants resident in them, and all claimed descent from various Indian founders. Even the Cham peoples, who could be found in southern Central Vietnam as late as the 1800s. 

Judging by the food, they were probably descended from both Chinese and Indian ancestors

No doubt.. South East Asia was a part of Greater India..

In re:  "Judging by the food, they were probably descended from both Chinese and Indian ancestors"

Originally posted by pdtoler By Indian, do you mean South Asian or Native American?

What does it matter? There are Indian Amerindians....and a lot especially among Inca, Quechua and Lupaca of Aymara.
Please have a look at Tompullo 2. They even have Indian Y DNA L like in Egyin Gol cemetery.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2156/13/30
Read it well and profoundly, but it will take many months!





Edited by Hukumari - 29-May-2013 at 21:48

Anecdotally, I have noticed that some Cambodians have distinctly Indian features (not necessarily australoid) and do not resemble other east asians.

Edited by Cryptic - 08-Jun-2013 at 11:27

If metal objects or forges were to be found in Australia, I could accept the theory.  I, however, cant imagine that extensive contacts occurred with out either transmitting metallurgy to the indigenous peoples, or the Indian colonists establishing metal producing capabilites in Australia.

Edited by Cryptic - 10-Jun-2013 at 17:51

Being descended from a people who came from what today is India over four thousand years ago does not guarantee that they had any Indian culture. Do not the Andaman islanders inhabit 'India'.

Originally posted by Cryptic If metal objects or forges were to be found in Australia, I could accept the theory.  I, however, cant imagine that extensive contacts occurred with out either transmitting metallurgy to the indigenous peoples, or the Indian colonists establishing metal producing capabilites in Australia.

While the discovery of such forges would have been a strong archaeological evidence, the absence of the same evidence does not disprove the stated.

What are the chances that a group of migrants( notably small in comparison to the native population) who end up down under , could discover copper deposits ?( Vedic India entered Iron age around 1800 BC, much before most of the world)

Just think about it ! They probably landed in Western Australia---mostly desert or Grassland region.
They had not come prepared for causing a revolution in Australia. They may very well have had little metal implements in their ships. To expect them to find Australia's metal deposits is fastidious.

Originally posted by Cryptic Then factor in that Indian languages were not transmitted either (usually the more technologicaly advanced culture imposes their language to varying degrees on the colonized area.

Is it that easy to spread languages? The spread of languages or major linguistic indications as you describe it can happen only as a consequence of prolonged and potent military conquest or intense religious diffusion.

The Roma Gypsies did not help in spreading Indian languages(though their speech remains commendably Romani Indo Aryan despite extraneous linguistic permeation to varying degrees). Compare the migrants to Australia with the Roma and not with conquerors. The Gypsies introduced Gun powder, Indian scientific/classical music, the Guitar and perhaps even perhaps wagon warfare(predecessor of tank warfare) under the Czech Jan Zikka ( as part of the Hussite war).

The Hittite and Mittani Vedic Aryans were more advanced than their middle eastern subjects in many respects. But despite this their language was wiped out of use ( The Assyrians between 1200 BCE and 900 BCE forcibly attacked the use of Hurrian leading to its extinction).

Mind you, they forcibly thrust themselves in their thousands into the middle East and yet their language survived only so far as their power survived.

How then can you expect a weak bunch of immigrants to introduce a new language on an entire indigenous population ?

Originally posted by Cryptic Also, lets look at what other technologies the Indians would have had, yet for some reason did not transmit to the indigenous Australians: -Agriculture -Bows -Pottery -early forms of writing

If you assume they should necessarily have started off from India with a view to colonize other lands and would have packed their bags with Indian seeds and plant specimens-- yes you have a point. But what if they had no seeds left at their arrival. What if they were half starved ? However the sudden change in food processing as comparable to Indian techniques is a related development as I have already quoted.

Bows? You mean bows and arrows? What in the world for would you carry bows in a boat? I dont think Indians practiced bow fishing.

Pottery. Sorry, I have nothing pertinent to add as regards Pottery. Point ceded.

Early forms of writing.  Ah my favorite. While no evidence of Vedic Saraswathy script ( commonly called as Indus script ) have been identified in Australia, there is undeniable evidence that Vedic people did reach Easter Islands.







It doesn't end there.

The ancient seafarers may have even reached North America. The similarities between the Vedic( mostly south Indian and Sri Lankan) and Mayan civilizations,-- astronomy,architecture, pantheon,linguistics mythology, artistic motifs and symbolism --are too bog to be dismissed as coincidences. I am particularly impressed that the Mayan calendar began with a date around 3112 B.C.,v ery close to the Hindu traditional beginning of the Kali age viz.,3102 B.C

I cannot elaborate on all the points . However I wish to share a most intriguing artistic motif in Mayan history



We all know there are no elephants in the Americas. Isn't it surprising in Mayan country, such as this one in Copan. It may be a reminder of the elephants in India.

Eminent scholar-writers like
Mackenzie, Hewitt, Tod, Pococke and
Mrs. Nuttal have collected plenty of data to show
that ancient American civilizations
were influenced by Old World civilizations. We have
to remember that the
post-Columbus history of America for 300 years was
the story of ruthless destruction
and fanatics like Bishop Diego da Landa burnt a huge
bonfire of valuable documents
and nothing but the three codices of 'Chilam Balam'
could survive the holocaust.

More serious efforts to connect the ancient American civilizations with
those of ancient India have to be made.
The Trans-Pacific contacts of the people of south-east Asia with the
people of ancient America have been
established beyond doubt. It is also a well-proven fact of history that
Indians of ancient times were great
sea-farers. In pre-Mahabharata era(3102  BCE)as well as in the subsequent period,
the kings of southern India possessed
large fleets used for trade with the Arabian and European countries
where Indian merchandise was much in
demand. India's links with south-east Asia and other far-off islands of
the Pacific Ocean are an established fact
of history. The conquest of Malaya by Rajendra Chola, the story of
Buddhagupta the Great Sailor
(Mahanavik), the religious expeditions of Indians to preach the gospel
of Buddhism in the distant lands of
Cambodia, Annam, Bali, Java, Sumatra, Borneo, Japan, Korea, Mongolia
and China are proofs of the impact
of Indian culture.


You may read the complete complete comparisons in these sites

http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/hinduism-forum/183815-world-vedic-vedic-culture-maya-civilization-mexico.html

http://frontiers-of-anthropology.blogspot.in/2011/05/more-connections-between-ancient-india.html


Edited by SuryaVajra - 11-Jun-2013 at 16:30