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    Posted: 30-Nov-2012 at 12:11
It's funny how the IG has to continuously jump through preconditioned hoops (as pressured by the Islamist, fascist terrorist supporters in Euro-land and elsewhere) to basically get nothing substantial from the Islamist, fascist, terrorists they deal with. While the Palestinians, led by the internationally recognized Islamist, fascist terrorist group Hamas; sill gets substantial millions in direct and indirect aid to include arms and personnel to continue to commit crimes against humanity and ignore international law. All conveniently ignored by the aforementioned Islamist, fascist, terrorist supporters id' above.
 
 
 
 
 
Fortunately there are still 8 countries in the world who still recognize Islamic, fascist, terrorism for what it is.  And it's avowed genocidal intentions directed towards the sovereign state of Israel. Perhaps, with any luck the Palestinian, state sponsored, terrorism issue can be resolved through increased economic pressure and ongoing embargoes and blockades. To include that of their Islamist, fascist, terrorist masters in Iran and elsewhere.
 
 
And, of course, the physical eradication of the terrorists through prompt, decisive and over whelming military action as necessary.
 
 
 
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Nov-2012 at 13:49
Also, any data from the UN is highly suspect.  The UN has been functioning as an "old boys network" for unemployed Islamic diplomats for years.  The UN served as a distribution center for Sadam's Oil vouchers, strategic "gifts".  Regardless of the fact that the US is the single largest contributor to the UN, it's not very friendly toward the US or it's allies. 
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Nov-2012 at 14:33
Originally posted by Challenger2

Originally posted by Rocky

Originally posted by red clay

Originally posted by unclefred

I suppose there is a reason why the banned members from other forums are collecting here. 
 
 
Perhaps it's because we allow more freedom of expression here than other forums.
 
I responded to Nick's post in much the same attitude as it was written.  An opposing view, not nes. a popular one, but valid.   If I had perceived racism I would have stepped on it then.
 
And it's not surprising that an American far right winger needs an update on freedom of speech.  It's okay as long as it agrees with their deluded ideologies, but otherwise..........
 
 
Anyone who has been here over a period of time knows my stand on Racism, and anyone with half a brain who had read the entire thread would have known it wasn't racist.  Unless they just wanted to stir up trouble where there wasn't any.
Historum must be quiet right now or something.
 
 
 

As an American conservative, a Libertarian in fact, I grow weary of the far right label. I am liberal on certain issues, in a classical sense, but I am economically conservative, and I strongly support Israel. Calling conservatives "extremists" and "racists" are other effective tools used by the main stream media in the US. Maybe that is why I feel a bond with Israel, as I have seen our media turn on them in recent years.

I saw a funny cartoon on American Thinker a couple of days ago, a fake newspaper from 1943. Well, it would be funny I guess if the subject matter were not so dark. I will try to post it, but this is my first picture post to AE, so I am not sure it will work.




Yes, it's a funny parody but if you replace all references to "Jew" and "Jews" with "Palestinians" and "Mulsims" and "Germans" and "Nazis" With "Israelis" and "Zionists" you get a chillingly accurate portrayal of what's really going on in Gaza and the Occupied Territories.
 
 
 
No more weary than I am of seeing the right trying to turn the term" liberal" into a dirty word.Confused The "mainstream media" if in fact something like that still exists, has no corner on labels, right wing propaganda outlets such as Faux News, use terms such as "lib lefty" and others.
 
I strongly support "common sense".  That includes shooting back when someone, without any overt provocation, starts lobbing rockets into someone elses sovereign territory.
I have a difficult time accepting the idea that the average Israeli does not support defending their country against this type of planned agression.
 
I also believe that trying to put jews into the same catagory as the Nazis, is spitting on the memory of 6 million people.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Nov-2012 at 16:26
Originally posted by red clay

Originally posted by Challenger2

Originally posted by Rocky

Originally posted by red clay

Originally posted by uncle fred

I suppose there is a reason why the banned members from other forums are collecting here. 
 
 
Perhaps it's because we allow more freedom of expression here than other forums.
 
I responded to Nick's post in much the same attitude as it was written.  An opposing view, not need. a popular one, but valid.   If I had perceived racism I would have stepped on it then.
 
And it's not surprising that an American far right winger needs an update on freedom of speech.  It's okay as long as it agrees with their deluded ideologies, but otherwise..........
 
 
Anyone who has been here over a period of time knows my stand on Racism, and anyone with half a brain who had read the entire thread would have known it wasn't racist.  Unless they just wanted to stir up trouble where there wasn't any.
Historum must be quiet right now or something.
 
 
 

As an American conservative, a Libertarian in fact, I grow weary of the far right label. I am liberal on certain issues, in a classical sense, but I am economically conservative, and I strongly support Israel. Calling conservatives "extremists" and "racists" are other effective tools used by the main stream media in the US. Maybe that is why I feel a bond with Israel, as I have seen our media turn on them in recent years.

I saw a funny cartoon on American Thinker a couple of days ago, a fake newspaper from 1943. Well, it would be funny I guess if the subject matter were not so dark. I will try to post it, but this is my first picture post to AE, so I am not sure it will work.




Yes, it's a funny parody but if you replace all references to "Jew" and "Jews" with "Palestinians" and "Muslims" and "Germans" and "Nazis" With "Israelis" and "Zionists" you get a chillingly accurate portrayal of what's really going on in Gaza and the Occupied Territories.
 
 
 
No more weary than I am of seeing the right trying to turn the term" liberal" into a dirty word.Confused The "mainstream media" if in fact something like that still exists, has no corner on labels, right wing propaganda outlets such as Faux News, use terms such as "lib lefty" and others.
 
I strongly support "common sense".  That includes shooting back when someone, without any overt provocation, starts lobbing rockets into someone else's sovereign territory.
I have a difficult time accepting the idea that the average Israeli does not support defending their country against this type of planned aggression.
 
I also believe that trying to put jews into the same category as the Nazis, is spitting on the memory of 6 million people.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Reference my blue bold: Yupper the mainstream of the 60's has been gone for a while. And, it was never mainstream then. A more appropriate description would be traditional TV 6pm/late edition news programs/papers. And they all had gawd damn agendas to include PBS. Matter of fact they still all do. Read your history and find out for those so inclined to doubt my veracity.Wink
 
So my definition of late. Has been to remember that and, ascribe the appellation lib-lefty nut bag mouthpieces or right winger wacko mouthpieces to which every of the 3rd estate I choose to chastise.
 
 
But in the end it don't matter. It's been going since pre-revolutionary days one way or another.....this recent example isnt shitt compared to earlier pieces in American History. Bet.LOL
 
 
 
Reference my purple bold: Nothing new there ole son. It has been, and will be, a favorite and ongoing tool of the Islamist, fascist, terrorist supporter and apologist. The problem is... they remain to intellectually challenged to come up with something new. Even the newest ones. Or historically accurate. Lazy I suppose. Or dependent and self assured on the conviction that the belief in another Jewish genocide ala the Nazi's is enough to justify their comparison.
 
 
 
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  Quote Rocky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Nov-2012 at 18:25
I raise my glass in a toast to common sense.Smile I too am guilty of labeling, I guess we all are. The problem with labels is that none really fit. I, for instance, am a small government, free market, free speech, right to bear arms, right to abortion, right to gay marriage, freedom of religion, atheist. How do you label that with left and right labels?
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Nov-2012 at 19:36
I wont even try as your more screwed then I am.....LOL
 
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But back to the topic...the sad truth is, 65 years ago the Arabs had an opportunity for a two state solution. Alas their bigotry, hatred and animosity directed towards all thing Jewish and an equally independent Jewish state within the region condemned them.
 
They have no one to blame, after that point, but themselves.
 
 
 
Period.
 
 
 
 
They brought war and suffering to both sides 5 times.....5 TIMES.....not 1. The terrorism and bigotry that still prevails within their Islamist, fascist, radical ranks...remains their 'cause de celebre' and the reason that those who might wish for peace still do not have it.
 
The denial and obfuscation and delusional rhetoric of their apologists merely supports it. 
 
The most recent example in Gaza initiated by the Hamas terrorists, led by their masters in Iran, the insane Mullahs; confirms it as well.
 
 
Stay tune more bloodletting to come.Wink And the old sop for the apologists that it's all about zionism still doesn't wash any more then it did in 48.
 
 
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I don't really care whether Israel survives or not. Judaism  is larger than Palestine. But I find the reckless use of the term 'genocide' to be a stain upon the judgment of those who do so. Apartheid is not genocide. As pointed out by others here, were the Zionists engaged in a genocide similar to what happened to the Jews under the IIIrd Reich, and some Armenian communities under the Turks, there would be far fewer Palestinians today. 


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The UN exists to mediate disputes like this so war might be prevented. If they come to the decision Palestine is an independent state, the USA and Israel should accept it rather than ignore international law
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Dec-2012 at 12:22
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The UN exists to mediate disputes like this so war might be prevented. If they come to the decision Palestine is an independent state, the USA and Israel should accept it rather than ignore international law
 
 
The UN just this week announced the acceptance of Palestine as a "non voting" member of the UN.  To do this is gives Palestine the status of "Independent State". 
 
And on the subject of ignoring International Law,  I do believe indiscriminate firing of missiles into a neighboring independent state is a violation of same.
 
To attempt placing responsibility solely on the US and Israel is not only naive, it's the type of thinking that allows the conflict to continue.  There are many actors in this play, and each one has their own agenda.  Make no mistake, Hamas and Hezbollah have agendas very different from those of the average Palestinians, International Law is recognized only when it benefits them to do so.
 
 
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But back to the topic...the sad truth is, 65 years ago the Arabs had an opportunity for a two state solution. Alas their bigotry, hatred and animosity directed towards all thing Jewish and an equally independent Jewish state within the region condemned them.
 
 
It should also be mentioned that during WWII, the Arabs allied themselves with the Nazis.
 
 
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Originally posted by red clay

CV wrote-
 
But back to the topic...the sad truth is, 65 years ago the Arabs had an opportunity for a two state solution. Alas their bigotry, hatred and animosity directed towards all thing Jewish and an equally independent Jewish state within the region condemned them.
 
 
It should also be mentioned that during WWII, the Arabs allied themselves with the Nazis.
 
 
 
Ah yes. The ole Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini. He was a real piece of work eh. Fit right in with the Nazi Genocide Leaders. Matter of fact.... called for it.
 
 
The Mufti sent Hitler 15 drafts of declarations he wanted Germany and Italy to make concerning the Middle East. One called on the two countries to declare the illegality of the Jewish home in Palestine. Furthermore, “they accord to Palestine and to other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries, in accordance with the interest of the Arabs and, by the same method, that the question is now being settled in the Axis countries.”1
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Hallowed and revered to this day by the terrorist apologist and supporters of the Palestinians and their terrorist led government and Iranian masters.Wink
 
 
 
 
 
Hamas...Iran... Leaders of the same Palestinians who continue to make war against the Jewish state and commit acts of inhumanity towards their own and violate international conventions and law.
 
 
 
Come all you brave and noble Palestinian apologists....support your Iman. Deny his antisemitism and genocidal rhetoric...the same that your beloved Hamas leadership avows.
 
 
 
Palestinian question resolved? Zionism...a rascist ideaology? Alone?
 
 
LOLLOLLOL
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by red clay

CV wrote-
 
But back to the topic...the sad truth is, 65 years ago the Arabs had an opportunity for a two state solution. Alas their bigotry, hatred and animosity directed towards all thing Jewish and an equally independent Jewish state within the region condemned them.
 
 
It should also be mentioned that during WWII, the Arabs allied themselves with the Nazis.
 
 

It was an alliance of convenience. The IRA were also very pro-Nazi at this time. After the war they became more socialist in the hope of gaining Russian support
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Originally posted by red clay

CV wrote-
 
But back to the topic...the sad truth is, 65 years ago the Arabs had an opportunity for a two state solution. Alas their bigotry, hatred and animosity directed towards all thing Jewish and an equally independent Jewish state within the region condemned them.
 
 
It should also be mentioned that during WWII, the Arabs allied themselves with the Nazis.
 
 
 
I supposed Arabs should have allied with the British Empire, which not only was not bent on world domination, not racist, and didn't commit genocide like the Nazis.
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  Quote Challenger2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Dec-2012 at 07:59
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....I strongly support "common sense".  That includes shooting back when someone, without any overt provocation, starts lobbing rockets into someone elses sovereign territory.

I have a difficult time accepting the idea that the average Israeli does not support defending their country against this type of planned agression.

I find this post quite bizarre, firstly because there’s no such thing as “common sense”; the phrase implies that if you agree with me then you obviously have common sense, and if you don't then you're an (insert suitable pejorative here)! Secondly, the use of the phrase “overt provocation”, am I to understand that it’s okay if the provocation was “covert”?

Covert provocation is a tactic used by the Zionists from the 1920’s to the present day. they would choose a target, be it a Palestinian village or an individual Palestinian notable; a small group of armed individuals would stage a clandestine attack, shooting up the village or assassinating the individual and normally this tended to go unremarked and unreported to the authorities. This tactic relied on the fact that the local “hotheads” amongst the Palestinian victims could almost always be relied upon to vent their outrage by staging a retaliatory attack against some opportune and unconnected Zionist target.

However in such an instance a Zionist fuelled media circus of mock outrage against this “unprovoked attack” on “innocent Jews” would demand “retaliation”. The “retaliation” when it came was usually massive and disproportionate, designed to kill or terrify the maximum number of Palestinians. This tactic was and is incredibly effective, because if the first clandestine Zionist provocation fails, all they have to do is repeat the process until they get the desired response to justify their “retaliation”. The files of the Palestine Police and 6th Airborne Division are full of such incidents from the 1930’s until 1948.

In the latest example in 2012, the Zionist bombardment of the Gaza Ghetto, this was set off by the IDF murders of two innocent Palestinians. When Hamas failed to respond in the desired manner after the first murder, the IDF tried again, and stepped up the ante by attacking the funeral of the second murder victim. When Hamas’ representative tried to arrange a ceasfire, the Zionists murdered him as well and all hell broke loose.

I echo your comment; I too have a difficult time accepting the idea that the average Palestinian does not support defending their country against this type of planned aggression.     

Originally posted by Red Clay

I also believe that trying to put jews into the same catagory as the Nazis, is spitting on the memory of 6 million people.

For my part, I’m constantly astonished that those who invoke “the Holocaust” focus on just 6 million victims out of the total 17 million Holocaust dead; it’s like spitting on the memory of the 11 million non-Jews systematically murdered by the Nazis as if their murders are somehow diminished by not having been Jewish.

I’m further astonished that those who survived the experience and those who claim centuries of persecution should perpetrate the same atrocities on a people that had nothing to do with the Nazis. Throughout 1948 and 1949, the Zionists established five concentration and forced labour camps at Jalil, Atlit, Sarafand, Tel-Litwinski and at Umm Khalid, where thousands of Palestinians were routinely and systematically tortured, brutalised and often murdered, fed starvation rations and forced to do hard labour. 11 Daniel Street in Haifa was a notorious interrogation centre on a par with 25 Szucha Avenue, or 8 Prinz Albrecht Strasse, where torture and brutality were the norm. Sound familiar to anyone?

Your President Truman summed up the situation quite well on 21st July 1947, “The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs, or Greeks get murdered, or mistreated as Displaced Persons, as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political, neither Hitler nor Stalin, has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment of the underdog. Put an underdog on top and it makes no difference whether his name is Russian, Jewish, Negro, Management, Labour, Mormon, Baptist, he goes haywire.”

Or from the mouths of the Zionists themselves,

“We will establish ourselves in Palestine whether you like it or not…You can hasten our arrival or you can equally retard it. It is however better for you to help us so as to avoid our constructive powers being turned into a destructive power which will overthrow the world.” Chaim Weitzmann, 1920
“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” Maurice Samuels, 1924
““We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, 1976
     
 

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