This is actually in there... "and in every event the utmost care
will be observed, consistently with the objects aforesaid, to avoid any
devastation, any destruction of or interference with property, or any
disturbance of peaceful citizens in any part of the country".
He has his Secretary of War, Simon Cameron
send telegrams to each states Governor asking for volunteer soldiers.He gets these replies...
North Carolina- John W. Ellis, Governor of North
Carolina, to Simon Cameron, U.S. Secretary of War, 15 April
1861...
"Your dispatch is received, and if genuine, which its
extraordinary character leads me to doubt, I have to say in reply that I regard
the levy of troops made by the Administration for the purpose of subjugating the
States of the South as in violation of the Constitution and a gross usurpation
of power. I can be no party to this wicked violation of the laws of the country
and to this war upon the liberties of a free people. You can get no troops from
North Carolina." ----
Kentucky- B. Magoffin, Governor of Kentucky, to
Cameron, 15 April 1861...
"Your dispatch is received. In answer I say
emphatically Kentucky will furnish no troops for the wicked purpose of subduing
her sister Southern States." ----
Virginia- John Letcher,
Governor of Virginia, to Cameron, 16 April 1861...
"I received your telegram of
the 15th, the genuineness of which I doubted. Since that time I have received
your communication, mailed the same day, in which I am requested to detach from
the militia of the State of Virginia 'the quota designated in the table' which
you append, 'to serve as infantry or riflemen for the period of three months,
unless sooner discharged.' In reply to this communication I have only to
say that the militia of Virginia will not be furnished to the powers at
Washington for any such use or purpose as they have in view. Your object is to
subjugate the Southern States, and a requisition made upon me for such an
object--an object, in my judgement, not within the purview of the Constitution
or the act of 1795--will not be complied with. You have chosen to inaugurate
civil war, and having done so, we will meet it in a spirit as determined as the
Administration has exhibited toward the South." ----
Tennessee- Isham G. Harris, Governor
of Tennessee, to Cameron, 17 April 1861...
"Your dispatch of 15th instant,
informing me that Tennessee is called upon for two regiments of militia for
immediate service, is received. Tennessee will not furnish a single man for
purpose of coercion, but 50,000, if necessary, for the defense of our rights and
those of our Southern brethren."
Missouri- C.F. Jackson, Governor of
Missouri, to Cameron, 17 April 1861... "Your dispatch of
the 15th instant, making a call on Missouri for four regiments of men for
immediate service, has been received. There can be, I apprehend, no doubt but
the men are intended to form a part of the President's army to make war upon the
people of the seceded States. Your requisition, in my judgement, is illegal,
unconstitutional, and revolutionary in its object, inhuman and diabolical, and
cannot be complied with. Not one man will the State of Missouri furnish to carry
on any such unholy crusade." ----
Arkansas- H.M.
Rector, Governor of Arkansas, to Cameron, 22 April 1861...
"In answer to
your requisition for troops from Arkansas to subjugate the Southern States, I
have to say that none will be furnished. The demand is only adding insult to
injury. The people of this Commonwealth are freemen, not slaves, and will defend
to the last extremity their honor, lives, and property against Northern
mendacity and usurpation." ----
Delaware- William Burton,
Governor of Delaware, to Cameron, 25 April 1861...
"I have the honor to receive your communication of the 15th instant,
requesting me to cause to be immediately detached from the militia of this State
one regiment, consisting of 780 men, 'to serve as infantry or riflemen, for the
period of three months, unless sooner discharged.' The laws of this State
confer upon the Executive no authority whatever enabling him to comply with your
requisition, there being no organized militia in the State nor any law
authorizing such organization. There are volunteer companies formed and
their officers commissioned by the Executive, and others are being formed, but
it is altogether optional with them to offer their service to the U.S.
authorities, the Executive having no power vested in him to order them into its
service.”
And your question, point is? If none.. as this is well known historical information with no need of repetitious publication or unsolicited without an intent or stated purpose and probably a mere continuation of your secessionist rhetoric. Then you need to define and or state an intent or purpose for it. If you do not.. then you are trolling. Which you have already received an official warning for from the Forum Admin-owner.
So define said intent or I will suspend you for trolling. You may do this thru editing your post.
I'm giving you this one further oppurtunity as some members feel you have an ability to present interesting topics reference the US Civil War less your efforts at Lost Cause Glamourization. Your singular option is to do just that. You have no other. So I say again... begin to present interesting topics reference the US Civil War, less your efforts at Lost Cause Glamourization. Or any you feel inclined to develope. Do it in the form of a question or presentation seeking comment or debate. You already know how.
But one thing is certain.. your trolling here on AE is finished.
Consequently.....No response from you is required. If you have a comment refence my action and direction then PM another moderator and request clarification or appeal it. As per the CoC. Any response you post other then to edit your op... will be treated as trolling. And you will be suspended immediately.
Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 21-May-2012 at 01:30
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
S. T. Friedman
Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'
Get this into your head Scamp: you must tone down your secessionist views as many members find them offensive. I'd like to try and save this thread, so i'll ask a question: how was the levying of troops any different from the actions of previous presidents? Surely as commander in chief Lincoln had the right to move soldiers wherever he wanted?
Get this into your head Scamp: you must tone down your secessionist views as many members find them offensive. I'd like to try and save this thread, so i'll ask a question: how was the levying of troops any different from the actions of previous presidents? Surely as commander in chief Lincoln had the right to move soldiers wherever he wanted?
Nick, your wasting your time with this thick head. He's not interested in any truths, just a lot of very old and tired arguments that have been shot down many times before. When someone says that NJ and WVA were slave states or states that supported slavery, they are either misinformed, or just trying to stir things up. I don't have time for this nonsense.
This thread will go on, but without scamp.
Scamp is suspended, indefinitely.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.
Get this into your head Scamp: you must tone down your secessionist views as many members find them offensive. I'd like to try and save this thread, so i'll ask a question: how was the levying of troops any different from the actions of previous presidents? Surely as commander in chief Lincoln had the right to move soldiers wherever he wanted?
There was no difference in either constitutional allowance, supported by federal statute law and or precedence.
As he enjoyed the privilege as CIC. However militia laws can be a tricky thing. As the state authorities then and now retain 'immediate usage' rights, unless as he did, they are called into federal service.
The refusals were based on an interpretative analysis, by authorities who either supported secession directly or who wished a position of neutrality, that state law trumped federal. And that had already been laid to rest viz Jackson and the nullification crisis period and the use of executive authority.
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
S. T. Friedman
Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'
The Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union proclaims as an "undeniable truth" that: barbeque sauce should be hot and spicy
I wonder if North Carolina, Arkansas and Virginia would have left the Union had not Lincoln attempted to use their state militias to invade other southeren states.
Delaware's response is also interesting in a nueteral way: Yes, we will send troops, but you have no intrinsic right to demand them. BTW, they will serve for 90 days.
Originally posted by red clay
When someone says that NJ and WVA were slave states or states that supported slavery, they are either misinformed, or just trying to stir things up.
I am unsure what the reference to New Jersey was about.
West Virginia seems pretty complicated. West Virginia was formed as a pro union slave state. Likewise, though most of West Virginia was pro union, being politically pro- union did not always mean being opposed to slavery.
Even more confusing is that some (or many) mountaineers in West Virginia, east TN, east Kentucky and the Ozarks were personally pro union, might have a dim view of slavery as a concept ("Mountaineers are always Free"), yet not be abolitionists per se and yet also be unwilling to invade other southeren states.
I am unsure what the reference to New Jersey was about.
NJ adopted gradual emancipation in 1804, and by 1860 was a free state for all practical purposes. But iirc the 1860 census showed four elderly slaves (or "life apprentices") still living there.
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