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Kurdish folk music " Lo Bra no / Lo Lo" (The Lords of Bothers / The Lord of Lords)



The Great Kurdish Median/Medes empire



The Ahura Mazda's fighters: the Kurds ( Median/Medes) / Kurdistan Zagros-Taurus Mountains

Kurdish folk music "Lo Miro" (Immortal Lords)




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Kurdish People (Median/Medes) " The children of the Sun and Fire"


Kurdish Luwian-Hittite empire language / History/ Religion

(Kurdî: Shahenshahî Hattî/Lowî yan Ziman/Ziwan / Dîrok / Ol


The Hattî´s/Hattians "Incoming - have come (Gods)"

That must very good to know, the Kurds have self-nature religion is the sun and fire culture...and here we see the kurds in anatolia Kurdish Hattuşa (Hittites or Hatti/Hattu) Sun lesson of kurds!!! "- why did the Hîttît-Hattîs, the name of the great king turned to its Kurdish name?
- why did the Hîttît-Hattîs, prayers were made in Kurdish?
-why did the Hîttît-Hattîs, why they were singing in Kurdish?
- why did the Hîttît-Hattîs, the gods had their names Kurdish?" Akademîya Selahaddîn Mihotulî /Civilizations of Aryan Kurds (Book)


Derinkuyu Underground City is an ancient multi-level underground city of the Median Medes Empire in the Derinkuyu district in Nevşehir (Kurdish: Nev-New Sher "The New/middle city") Province, Anatolia. With its five floors extending to a depth of approximately 60 m, it was large enough to shelter approximately 20,000 people together with their livestock and food stores. It is the largest excavated underground city in Anatolia and is one of several underground complexes found across Goreme (Kurdish: "Gora Me": our grave) Cappadocia (Qapadozia (Kurdish: secret place).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derinkuyu_Underground_City


PTERIA: Lost City of Kurdish Median/ Medes empire



The ancient Kurdish city of Pteria was burned, destroyed and abandoned due to the long-running war between the Medes (Kurdish) and the Lydians in central Anatolia.

The Kurdish ruins of the ancient settlement uncovered at Mt. Kerkenes in Yozgat belonged to the lost ancient kurdish city of Pteria Median empire, said the Yozgat Museum in a written statement.

The statement, released by Yozgat Museum Director Mustafa Akkaya to the Yozgat Governor's Office, said the archaeological evidence showed that Mt. Kerkenes is what a Greek historian once mentioned as the lost ancient city of Pteria. Excavations have been ongoing in the area since 1993 by a team led by Geoffrey Summers and Scott Branting, academics at Middle East Technical University.

He said Kerkenes was a first degree archaeological site and the largest Iron Age settlement area in Anatolia.
The founder of the city chose this particular location due to its geographical convenience for defense and travel routes. The administrative, religious and military structures in the city indicate that it was originally established for long-term settlement. But archaeological surveys show that the city was burned, destroyed and abandoned due to the long-running war between the Medes and the Lydians in central Anatolia,” he said.

Noting that the war, also known as the Battle of the Eclipse, between the Medes and the Lydians ended with a solar eclipse on May 28, 585 B.C., which was perceived as an omen that the gods wanted the fighting to stop, he said the ancient city of Pteria was built after the war and that the Battle of the Eclipse actually helped to promote Kerkenes to the world.




Akkaya said Mt. Kerkenes is surrounded by seven kilometers of stone walls containing seven gates that enclose 2.5 square kilometers, adding: “The ancient city of Pteria was invaded many times by the Mede and Lydian empires. Thus, the establishment of the city was never completed.”




The Kurdish Scythian Language




Underground City, Cappadocia (Kurdish: Qaba Dizya,Qapadozia or Kapadozia= Secret place)
Goreme (Kurdish: "Gora Me": our grave)


Kurdish Castle of Median/Medes Empire






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What means a word KURD? From the point of view of the Sumerian language words EN-GUR  = "Brotherhood", "Community", "People", "Flight of adherents".From the words EN = "Brother" and from the word GUR (t) = "Community","Group", "Tribe", "People". From the point of view of the Turkic languages fixed in the Middle Ages, the word GURT is meant by "Family", "Flight", "Band", "Group". In the Tatar language the word GURT is meant by "Flight", "Group", "Band", "Community", "Family". Concerning nomads always it is necessary to use the concept GURT = "Flight".ONLY.It is meant the pack of wolves.

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Your welcome. And thanks for your reply.
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Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis

Two Questions.
 
1. Are you in reference to Kurds of Modern Turky or Kurds in total located in a variety of regions?
 
2. Your opinion on the Genographic Project?
 
 
 
And a bonus question your comments on the following:
 
1) I speak first of all about the Kurds having nomadic culture. Regardless of the place of residence, regardless of the accommodation country.
 2) Genografic researches help us to define precisely, when and where great Turkic peoples =Sumerian influenced on to Ethnogenez barbarians of Mesopotamia, Europe, India, China and Africa.
 I write about it surely because initial haplogroup R1 even already 20-28000 years ago was Turkic. The last site which you presented me too will help me, thanks.


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Originally posted by medenaywe

Do the Folk dances have a pattern:3 steps front&2back and 6 front&3 back,Antalia?

What you mean about? Write, please is clearer. Probably you mean here these Persian dances which cause feeling of a Homeric laughter in me.

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Originally posted by medenaywe

ZaRaTuSTRa=Gossipy arm noises present&presentable(dream and arm)!If it sounds like it this
can help you maybe!Big smileWas he a magician that tells the future?

I do not want to stop your violent and on anything not the reasonable imagination, but I will remind you that images which you try to create, have no relation to psychology (mentality) of ancient people. You use ways of the modern art and modern theater. It is inadmissible by consideration the most ancient names and things. At that time everything was concrete, rough and clear.
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Two Questions.
 
1. Are you in reference to Kurds of Modern Turky or Kurds in total located in a variety of regions?
 
2. Your opinion on the Genographic Project?
 
 
 
And a bonus question your comments on the following:
 
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Originally posted by red clay

This is all well and good, however I haven't seen any posting of credible, peer reviwed sources for any of this.
En-sze, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Specify, please, and in which occasion I should provide what extraordinary proofs to you? Whether you read the works of  J.Oppert devoted to interpretations of languages of Mesopotamia?
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Zaratushtra - это Сумерское слово, которое я расшифрую на базе Татарского языка для вас, уважаемые любители Истории:

Zara=Sara=SARY="Жёлтый", "Золотой" на Татарском языке.

Tush="Тело","Грудь", "Фигура" на Татарском языке.

TRA=T(u)RA="Вождь", "Предводитель", "Начальник" на Татарском языке.

ZARATUSHTRA= "Одетый в золото предводитель", "Златогрудый вождь".

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Zaratushtra is a Sumerian word which 
I will decipher on the basis of the Tatar language for you, dear fans of History:
 Zara=Sara=SARY = "Yellow", "Gold" in the Tatar language.
 Tush = "Body", "Breast", "Figure" in the Tatar language.
 TRA=T (u) RA = "Leader", "Chief" in the Tatar language.
 ZARATUSHTRA = "The leader dressed in gold", "Gold Body the leader".


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This is all well and good, however I haven't seen any posting of credible, peer reviwed sources for any of this.
En-sze, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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I consider Kurds as descendants from Turk=Skuthae and from negroid Semites of Mesopotamia. As proof I will give the following argument:
 1) Kurdish women in the ancient time always independently chose to themselves sexual partners, and preferred always gallant Turkic guys. 
2) The remains of this matriarchy remained at Kurdish families still! 
3) Scythians called this tribe of OJERPATA, OJORPATA
I will decipher this Scythian word from the point of view of the Tatar language: 

OJERPATA=OJERP+ATA.
  
AJERyP = "Separated", "Divided" - in the Tatar language, and witnesses at a pronunciation of this word always hear - OJERyP because vowel sounds A and O in the Tatar language are said is closed. 
ATA = "Father"
OJERPATA=OJORPATA =" Separated fathers"

It means that negroid Kurdish women once and for all separated men from the families, and preferred always Turkic peoples as sexual partners! 
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Look narrowly more attentively: Lineal descendants of speaking on a Sanskrit now the most dark-pigmented ethnoses - Tamils and inhabitants of Sri Lanka. Some groups in these ethnoses are more black on skin color, than any African. On a gold plate on a breast of a negroid mummy I transliterated an inscription. There obviously ancient Persian language which is related to a Sanskrit. Medieval Persian language was able ALREADY reforms because of influence of Tatar=Sumerian language. And modern Persian language, as well as the Tajik language, are strongly changed thanks to influence of the Tatar language and are KOJNE from Tatar=Sumerian of the glossary! 
On Indo-European, Semitic, Afro-Semitic, Indian, Chinese there are no words of related semantics to the words AR, ER, IR.But in the Tatar language these words the Husband, the Man, the Person mean. Moreover, the words ARYI, ARIA on a Sanskrit were meant by "Stranger", "Newcomer". And one more argument: Sumerian were carriers Turkic haplogroups R1a1 and R1b!!! Precisely also Tatars also remain carriers of this blood still!


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Originally posted by Ince

Soon as I saw that you claimed the Persians were black, I know you are some Ultra-Nationalist.   Honestly? Old Persians were Afro-Asiatic?. LOL  You are either one of those Afrocentric morons or just a really nutcase Turk.  

Again i will say, the Greeks clearly mentioned that The Medes,Persians were of the same people.  Not only that but language spoken from Mede-Persian to Sogdian and Bactria was the same or as they called the region known as Aria. 

I should not even bother with you as you seem like a wright loon.   You come to the forum and try and insult Iranians by making such idiotic claims. 

Ince, rude words and insults are not allowed on thos forum. You may disagree with the position of anyone, but you cannot insult his personality. Accusations of nationalism also don't contribute for a constructive dialog. Consider this your warning
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Originally posted by Ince

Soon as I saw that you claimed the Persians were black, I know you are some Ultra-Nationalist.   Honestly? Old Persians were Afro-Asiatic?. LOL  You are either one of those Afrocentric morons or just a really nutcase Turk.  

Again i will say, the Greeks clearly mentioned that The Medes,Persians were of the same people.  Not only that but language spoken from Mede-Persian to Sogdian and Bactria was the same or as they called the region known as Aria. 

I should not even bother with you as you seem like a wright loon.   You come to the forum and try and insult Iranians by making such idiotic claims. 
You confuse ancient Persian=Afrosemitian to Turkic peoples - Parthian. Parthian were absolutely precisely Turkic peoples with Turkic language. The word Parthian should be transliterated as PARSian=BARSian, and these Barsian from Barsilia - my direct relatives. Names of founders of the empire Medean are the Tatar names: Аkhemen  and his son - Chish-Pish. So your shouts about statements of ancient Greeks the simply DOUBTFUL. Ancient Greeks declared about Barsians and мedean as relative 2500-2000 years ago. Turkic peoples were ELITE of all people of Mesopotamia, India and Eurasia at that time.


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Where you saw an insult of Iranians in my message? You consider as an insult what ancient Persians were negroid? It not an insult, it is the Truth. I respect any ethnos and any race on Earth. Why you consider shameful to be Afro-Semite with black skin? On mine,  you  are the racist with infantile thinking. 

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Soon as I saw that you claimed the Persians were black, I know you are some Ultra-Nationalist.   Honestly? Old Persians were Afro-Asiatic?. LOL  You are either one of those Afrocentric morons or just a really nutcase Turk.  

Again i will say, the Greeks clearly mentioned that The Medes,Persians were of the same people.  Not only that but language spoken from Mede-Persian to Sogdian and Bactria was the same or as they called the region known as Aria. 

I should not even bother with you as you seem like a wright loon.   You come to the forum and try and insult Iranians by making such idiotic claims. 
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Moreover, if you VERY MUCH want to continue to challenge my arguments, I can present you as argument my interpretations of the plates relating to culture of Vinka or Vincha which archeologists stratify in 7000 years! Imagine, and the culture of Vincha-Vinka spoke on Turk=Tatar=Sumerian language.
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