Scandinavian race never televised WHY?

I'm really not trying to convince people to become racialists here, please believe me. What i am really trying to say is that this information should be televised, there was originally a blonde haired blue eyes race tens of thousands of years ago. there is no other way of explaining it. Television programs like origins of us by dr alice roberts and walking with cavemen by sir robert winston are frankly attempts at misleading the public, they leave out the real story of how we came to be.

Certainly under our understanding of "black" like in the US, pharaohs like



or



would be defined as "black" if they were to roam the streets of any US city. I don't like skin color definitions, but there can be no doubt that the Ancient Egyptians,/ from the Old Kingdom through the Middle Kingdom in particular/ were indigenous North Africans, whatever color and nuances of color they may have had; and North Afrian ethnicities were mixed with those coming from Nubia, that were "black" in Sub-Saharan sense. The first significant influx from Asia was with the Hyksos, in like 1650 BC.

Here the fresco from Seti I tomb
Syrian, Nubian, Libyan, and Egyptian.


in our modern view we would define both the Nubian and the Egyptian as "black"' obviously they were from different ethnicities, but this doesn't make the Egyptians something else than North Africans. The Egyptians for sure differencieted between a Syrian, a Lybian, a Nubian and themselves.

Here some links on Black African kingdoms with a significant cultural achievements, one can use wiki as a starting point of a research:
"...The Nok Civilization is considered to be one of the most advanced ancient sub-Saharan civilizations in African history. Beginning some time around 500 BCE, it was largely concentrated in what is now Nigeria but produced some of the first sub-Saharan iron smelting and terracotta architecture. Mysteriously died out around 200 CE.
- The first major state to rise in this region was the Kingdom of Ghana. Centered in what is today Senegal and Mauritania, it was the first to benefit from the introduction of pack animals by Arab traders. Ghana dominated the region between about 750 and 1078. Smaller states in the region at this time included Takrur to the west, the Malinke kingdom of Mali to the south, and the Songhai Empire centred around Gao to the east.
- When Ghana collapsed in the face of invasion from the Almoravids, a series of brief kingdoms followed, notably that of the Sosso; after 1235, the Mali Empire rose to dominate the region. Located on the Niger River to the west of Ghana in what is today Niger and Mali, it reached its peak in the 1350s, but had lost control of a number of vassal states by 1400.
- The most powerful of these states was the Songhai Empire, which expanded rapidly beginning with king Sonni Ali in the 1460s. By 1500, it had risen to stretch from Cameroon to the Maghreb, the largest state in African history. It too was quite short-lived and collapsed in 1591 as a result of Moroccan musketry.
- Far to the east, on Lake Chad, the state of Kanem-Bornu, founded as Kanem in the 9th century, now rose to greater preeminence in the central Sahel region. To their west, the loosely united Hausa city-states became dominant. These two states coexisted uneasily, but were quite stable.
-  In 1810 the Fulani Empire rose and conquered the Hausa, creating a more centralized state. It and Kanem-Bornu would continue to exist until the arrival of Europeans, when both states would fall and the region would be divided between France and Great Britain.
- Wolof Empire (1350 - 1889)

...The Ethiopian Empire existed from approximately 1270 (beginning of Solomonid Dynasty) until 1974 when the monarchy was overthrown in a coup d'etat. It was the only native African nation to successfully resist the Scramble for Africa by the colonial powers during the 19th century.....

....The Kingdom of Nri (1043 - 1911) was the West African medieval state of the Nri-Igbo, a subgroup of the Igbo people, and is the oldest kingdom in Nigeria. The Kingdom of Nri was unusual in the history of world government in that its leader exercised no military power over his subjects. The kingdom existed as a sphere of religious and political influence over much of Igboland, and was administered by a priest-king called the eze Nri. The eze Nri managed trade and diplomacy on behalf of the Igbo people, and was the possessor of divine authority in religious matters.

- The Oyo Empire (1400 - 1895) was a West African empire of what is today western Nigeria. The empire was established by the Yoruba in the 15th century and grew to become one of the largest West African states encountered by colonial explorers. It rose to preeminence through wealth gained from trade and its possession of a powerful cavalry. The Oyo Empire was the most politically important state in the region from the mid-17th to the late 18th century, holding sway not only over other Yoruba states, but also over the Fon kingdom of Dahomey (located in the state now known as the Republic of Benin).

- Benin Empire (1440 - 1897), a large pre-colonial African state of modern Nigeria.

- Kaabu Empire (1537 - 1867), a Mandinka Kingdom of Senegambia (centered on modern northeastern Guinea-Bissau but extending into Casamance, Senegal) that rose to prominence in the region thanks to its origins as a former province of the Mali Empire.

- Aro Confederacy (1690–1902), a slave trading political union orchestrated by the Igbo subgroup, the Aro people, centered in Arochukwu in present day Southeastern Nigeria.

- Asante Union (1701–1894), a pre-colonial West African state of what is now the Ashanti Region in Ghana. The empire stretched from central Ghana to present day Togo and Côte d'Ivoire, bordered by the Dagomba kingdom to the north and Dahomey to the east.

- Kong Empire (1710–1894) centered in north eastern Côte d'Ivoire that also encompassed much of present-day Burkina Faso.

- Bamana Empire (1712–1896) based at Ségou, now in Mali. It was ruled by the Kulubali or Coulibaly dynasty established circa 1640 by Fa Sine also known as Biton-si-u. The empire existed as a centralized state from 1712 to the 1861 invasion of Toucouleur conqueror El Hadj Umar Tall....

 - Kingdom of Bamum - northwest Cameroon (1394–1884)

- The Sennar Sultanate (1502 - 1821) was a sultanate in the north of Sudan, named Funj after the ethnic group of its dynasty or Sinnar (or Sennar) after its capital, which ruled a substantial area of northeast Africa.

- An Empire of Kitara in the area of the Great Lakes of Africa

- The Kingdom of Buganda (1300–present), home of the Baganda people of Uganda

- The Kongo Kingdom (1400 - 1888) was a quasi-imperial state as is evident by the number of peoples and kingdoms that paid it tribute. If not for the large amount of text written by the EssiKongo that repeatedly called themselves a kingdom, they would be listed as the "Kongo Empire".

- The Luba Empire (1585–1885) arose in the marshy grasslands of the Upemba Depression in what is now southern Democratic Republic of Congo.

- Lunda Empire (1660–1887) in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo, north-eastern Angola and northwestern Zambia. Its central state was in Katanga.

 - The Mutapa Empire or Empire of Great Zimbabwe (1450–1629) was a medieval kingdom located between the Zambezi and Limpopo rivers of Southern Africa in the modern states of Zimbabwe and Mozambique. Remnants of the historical capitol are found in the ruins of Great Zimbabwe.

- Merina Kingdom ruled most of Madagascar 1540–1897

With a map:

As a primary source I eagerly recommend this book "The History and Description of Africa" by Leo Africanus, available here  http://www.archive.org/stream/historyanddescr01porygoog . Leo Africanus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Africanus was a Moorish noble and diplomat who got captured by the Spanish corsairs and brought to Italy, he wrote the book there.

Edited by Don Quixote - 14-Mar-2012 at 19:07

There were plenty of Black African civilizations, staring from Nubia, Ife, Zimbabwe - and the whole North Africa was quite well developed in the Middle Ages, I can get you some links on that. The Egyptian civilization was ethnically mixed, Black Africans with whoever else. So what you are saying is not holding any water.

And what is that "Aryan blood" thing? "Aryan" is usually not used in the historic literature I'm acquented with.

They have no answer for that...only rhetoric and hatred.

Where's Toltec when you need him? By now I'd have expected him to have ripped these racist delusions to shreds

I have talked about the Aryan migration from Scandinavia to Iran in this thread: this thread

Originally posted by Don Quixote Sure we can discuss it in this way. Can you provide a more reliable link as a beginning of the discussion?I would avoid any links that have any kind of supremacist agenda /no matter what the color of the supremacy is/ , because this can derail the thread very fast, and bring about bunch of problems, from strawmen to abuse of the historical content. Thank you in advance.

 

 

http://www.thearyanrace.com/

Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 26-Feb-2012 at 18:05

There are no races, btw, the American Assossiation of Anthropology came to this conclusion in 1998:
"...In the United States both scholars and the general public have been conditioned to viewing human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences. With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, however, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species...."

Can't we discuss the issue as human migrations from northern Europe toward South, without mention incendiary and misused categories like "race". "Arian Race", and "Arians"?