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    Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 08:10
As noted the efforts to repudiate this bigoted nonsense were admirable. Unfortunately, it will continue...but not here and not on my watch. As such the thread no longer serves a productive and useful purpose....but what it does do is send a message. You come here to run this clap you won't be here long.
 
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Can we lock this thread please?

Atlantean, simple prejudices can lead to ordinary people doing terrible things: discriminating against minorities, starting wars and committing genocide. Should such a regime ever gain power, chances are people like you (and myself) would be sent to the gas chamber:

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30619

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 04:47
Originally posted by atlantean

If we humans are to survive I personally believe we need to engineer ourselves. look at the genetic disease among our people. Literally everybody has something wrong with them genetically.

I personally think humankind is going down a destructive path.

The stupidest people in our society have loads of kids so they can get there benefits, the intelligent have only a few children. 

I was watching a program on daytime tv a while ago and this bloke has this hereditary genetic facial deformity. he was telling how bad his life had been because people taunted him, the the selfish git went on to have kids who also had the condition. I mean all he had to do was use a sperm donor for gods sake.

I have asperger's syndrome and i would never reproduce using my own seed as i believe it would be selfish, you see what i am getting at humankind is seemingly destroying itself.

what will the future be like? that film gattaca?

i lean towards nationalist politics as i believe they will at least enforce some kind of dare i say it eugenics program.

we are not evolving anymore, we are turning back into chimps
 
 
This is all subjective balderdash based on some ill conceived notion of yours in dealing with the alleged and totally discredited academically, theory of Aryanism. Bigotry is bigotry; whether you color it in terms of broad based swatches of self-rationalism or attempt to cover it in pseudo scientific terms of alleged superiority of light skinned textured ethnic groups socio-economic and cultural developement versus others with darker textures and their presumed inferiorities....all the while covertly attempting to distort the subject through the use of an evasive header in the phrase: Scandinavian race.
 
And while I might or might not sympathize or give guidance on your alleged medical problems (as I am not qualified to do so... so I won't) they in and of themselves are not an appropriate justification for what remains the obvious. And basically are nothing more then a troll.
 
Several of your fellow members have pointed out and admirably refuted your nonsense whether it be your concerns for generic criticisms and individual decisions that remain uniquely individual for those concerned.
 
 
 
 But what I am qualified, not only as a historian and an educator but a blogger and contributor for and on forums for nearly 20 years, to speak about is the bunk in  the statements like those you use above.
 
''he was telling how bad his life had been because people taunted him, the the selfish git went on to have kids who also had the condition. I mean all he had to do was use a sperm donor for gods sake.''
 
 ''we are not evolving anymore, we are turning back into chimps''
 
 
''i lean towards nationalist politics as i believe they will at least enforce some kind of dare i say it eugenics program''
 
This is nothing more then what I noted above..as such you are now officially warned for being in violation of promotion and use of rudeness, nationalistic, jingoistic and bigoted commentary.
Do it again and your gone. Because I can guarantee you I am not a chimp.
 
You may appeal my action by contacting via PM... the owner administrator... Red Clay. You do not have the right to comment publically on it. Such commentary is defined as trolling and disrupting and will result in an immediate suspension or ban.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2012 at 02:28
I am looking the isseu from climate site. In my opinion, climate is the biggest factor in the civilizations, not genetics.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2012 at 19:59
Originally posted by atlantean

If we humans are to survive I personally believe we need to engineer ourselves. look at the genetic disease among our people. Literally everybody has something wrong with them genetically.
I personally think humankind is going down a destructive path.
The stupidest people in our society have loads of kids so they can get there benefits, the intelligent have only a few children. 
I was watching a program on daytime tv a while ago and this bloke has this hereditary genetic facial deformity. he was telling how bad his life had been because people taunted him, the the selfish git went on to have kids who also had the condition. I mean all he had to do was use a sperm donor for gods sake.
I have aspersers syndrome and i would never reproduce using my own seed as i believe it would be selfish, you see what i am getting at humankind is seemingly destroying itself.
what will the future be like? that film gattaca?
i lean towards nationalist politics as i believe they will at least enforce some kind of dare i say it eugenics program.
we are not evolving anymore, we are turning back into chimps

Reproduction should be a personal choice, Atlantean. What you decided as a personal decision is only ours to decide, as well is for everyone else. There is a trend like that - I had seen many women have kids so they get benefits - and this I find immoral and irresponsible; but it would be immoral to forbid anyone to reproduce, since one man cannot decide this for another.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2012 at 19:04
I'd rather have dogs than children, but stopping people from reproducing is immoral and very close to the Nazi theory of Eugenics. Sexuality or behavioral traits like stupidity are not neccessarily hereditary: the offspring of welfare recipients can also succeed in life and end up with a well-paid job (and until last year, many have done thanks to cheap university fares and improved teaching methods).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Mar-2012 at 12:36
If we humans are to survive I personally believe we need to engineer ourselves. look at the genetic disease among our people. Literally everybody has something wrong with them genetically.

I personally think humankind is going down a destructive path.

The stupidest people in our society have loads of kids so they can get there benefits, the intelligent have only a few children. 

I was watching a program on daytime tv a while ago and this bloke has this hereditary genetic facial deformity. he was telling how bad his life had been because people taunted him, the the selfish git went on to have kids who also had the condition. I mean all he had to do was use a sperm donor for gods sake.

I have aspersers syndrome and i would never reproduce using my own seed as i believe it would be selfish, you see what i am getting at humankind is seemingly destroying itself.

what will the future be like? that film gattaca?

i lean towards nationalist politics as i believe they will at least enforce some kind of dare i say it eugenics program.

we are not evolving anymore, we are turning back into chimps
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2012 at 19:14
Another topic on the Middle East's desertification. Great civilisations like Sumeria collapsed due in part to deforestation and overfarming. There was once a time when timber was regularly exported
Causes and Progressions of Desertification
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 21:11
Here some pictures to show the variation of skin color among Arabs:
http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/files/arabs.jpg

http://looklex.com/e.o/ill/arabs01.jpg

http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2010/11/30/europe-israel-arabs-urge-action-on-iran_l_WrPmc_19672.jpg

http://www.emptyquarter.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/saudalfaisal.jpg

http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4f440e4feab8ea5a4f00000a/rich-arabs.jpg

As you can aee, the skin color varies from light to darker olive color - this is Mediterranean type coloration, the same is in whole Southern Europe, from Spain to Greece. What can be considered "white" in the sence of "Scandinavian White" is found among the Scandinavian, Slavic, and Germanic people. The Balkans are a mix of Mediterranians and Slavs, with the strong preves of the Mediterraneans. The whole Latin America is with Spanish-Mediteranean type coloration; and the US and Canada had everything; so, white skin in "Scandinavian-sense-of-if" is not "dominant" by any standard.

So, Atlantean, the reality is exactly the opposite of your theory - the Nordic people's lost the coloration whit which the early humans  to Northern Europe, /whatever their original color was/; not that Scandinavians wend to Saudi Arabia and became olive-skinned on the way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 20:51
Originally posted by atlantean

okay then my lovelies, lets get into some real thinking
white skin?
White skin would not have evolved in the climate of Asia or even Southern Europe could it because it is to darn sunny, 
am i right?
Arabic peoples have white skin, why would people from say Iran have substantially lighter skin than those from Africa when it is just as sunny in Iran as it is in Africa?
why would evolution work that way?
white skin must have evolved in a dark environment dont you think?
white skin is genetically dominant over black
the lack of light is is the only thing that could have turned our skin white, and where is there a lack of light SKANDINAVIA.
perhaps the only way that i can prove my theory is to discredit every other theory!
Arabic peoples that are not exposed to the sun all the time have white skin.
why would evolution have given arabic people white skin when they were evolving there must have been lots of sunlight on there bodys?

When the first Homo Sapience left Africa and went on everywhere else, their color changed because they adapted to different climates; we don't know what color the first Homo Sapience were, and it doesn't really matter. AS those people moved north, in the enviroment with less sun, they didn't need the melanin for protection, so their bodies stopped producing it. White skin is not "dominant" by any standard - the Mediterranean Europeans are not exactly transparently white, and the Arabs have varied coloration - from light to quite dark. The early Homo Sapience went from what is now Ethiopia to the Arabian Pennisula, so in a way we can say that the Arabs were the second modern Homo Sapience to evolve after those in Ethiopia. So the Arabs didn't come from Scandinavia, sorry to disappoint you; nor are they "white" per se - their color are like this of the Mediterranean Europeans - olive-skinned, with variations.

In fact,  Northern Europe was populated quite late, comparing with everywhere else. Humans spread from the Ethiopia-Middle East toward Europe, not the other way around. The Neolithic Revolution happened in the Middle East, and spread toward Europe from there. You tell me about Neolithic civilizations in Scandinavia, that started in 7000-3000 BC, or anywhere close to that. The first fortified hilltops in Western Europe appeared in like 1100 BC, 5 t0 2 millenia later than the Middle East. If there were "cultural heroes" that spread "civilization", those where the Middle Eastern people that brought the Neolithic in Europe, not Scandinavians.

Do you want some "real" studies about that, so we do some "real thinking"?

"...The transition from a hunter–gatherer existence to a sedentary farming-based lifestyle has had key consequences for human groups around the world and has profoundly shaped human societies. Originating in the Near East around 11,000 y ago, an agricultural lifestyle subsequently spread across Europe during the New Stone Age (Neolithic). Whether it was mediated by incoming farmers or driven by the transmission of innovative ideas and techniques remains a subject of continuing debate in archaeology, anthropology, and human population genetics. Ancient DNA from the earliest farmers can provide a direct view of the genetic diversity of these populations in the earliest Neolithic. Here, we compare Neolithic haplogroups and their diversity to a large database of extant European and Eurasian populations. We identified Neolithic haplotypes that left clear traces in modern populations, and the data suggest a route for the migrating farmers that extends from the Near East and Anatolia into Central Europe. When compared to indigenous hunter–gatherer populations, the unique and characteristic genetic signature of the early farmers suggests a significant demographic input from the Near East during the onset of farming in Europe...."
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1000536

European genetic subclades are younger than the ones in the Middle East and Central Asia http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origins_haplogroups_europe.shtml  this site is full with maps and detailed info about every genetic group.
Here it is when agriculture came to Scandinavia - after everyone else
Expansion of agriculture from the Middle East to Europe (9500-3800 BCE)



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 19:32
Originally posted by atlantean

okay then my lovelies, lets get into some real thinking

white skin?

White skin would not have evolved in the climate of Asia or even Southern Europe could it because it is to darn sunny, 

am i right?

Arabic peoples have white skin, why would people from say Iran have substantially lighter skin than those from Africa when it is just as sunny in Iran as it is in Africa?

why would evolution work that way?

white skin must have evolved in a dark environment dont you think?

white skin is genetically dominant over black

the lack of light is is the only thing that could have turned our skin white, and where is there a lack of light SKANDINAVIA.

perhaps the only way that i can prove my theory is to discredit every other theory!

Arabic peoples that are not exposed to the sun all the time have white skin.

why would evolution have given arabic people white skin when they were evolving there must have been lots of sunlight on there bodys?



Arab white skin from very sunny environment



african dark skin - sunny environment



SUNNY DESERT


White skin was caused by a deficiency in melanin: northern Europe was a cold, wet place. White skin can be found among Africans, but it is highly unusual as most die before they can reproduce. In Europe people afflicted with the mutation survived into adulthood and passed on their genes to the next generation.
The Middle East might be hot desert now, but when humans first made it their home it was a fertile, green land of milk and honey. It provided the Romans with wheat exports, but overfarming and climate change in the Second Century AD devastated the region:
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 14:27
It is not just about the sun, read it about the Arctic People: http://scienceline.org/2007/06/ask-dricoll-inuiteskimos/
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 14:11
atlantean, I have to thank you for posting the Darwin ape picture. Had you not I wouldn't have remembered how pigmentation was a part of human evolution after the loss of our ancestral ape fur. You could say then that after everyone of our ancestors became black as we evolved in Africa before migrating further a field, those becoming white again regressed back to how we were when in our less evolved ape state skin wise.  
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What I see as racism is claims that a certain group of people, no matter which, is a superior to others, no matter which. The reasons why certain groups of people created a more complicated civilization that other did has nothing to do with any "superior" ability /I don't like the word "superior" to start with, it has haughty connotation to it/, it's well proven that people from different phenotypes perform in the same way in the same circimstances. To claim intellectual or other superiority due to physical looks is unscientific and racist thinking. Racialism is a variation of racism, and leads to it in a more roundabout way; both are ethically dangerous and scientifically flawed.

There is no explanation why one group of people created a literary society, and the group next to them didn't /I was asking this myself many times in connection with my favorite Thracian, how lived just next to the Greeks and never created a literal society, even though they were the same as the Greeks were in terms of phenotype - this I specify especially for Atlantean/. Nevertheless, there are no "superior" and "inferior" people or cultures - all cultures, developed technologically or not, are human creations that deserve respect and interest; and this is a position I'm not going to budge from. The Australian Aboriginal culture deserves our utmost respect and research as well as any other culture that created a literally society - otherwise the Celts can be called what the Australian Aborigines were called here.

In 21 century we should know better that to divide people in "superior" and implied "inferior" Darwin has nothing to do with anything - he was talking about natural selection, not about purported "superiority". The facts are that up to the, say, beginning of the Middle Ages, the most advanced  literally and  technologically societies were located around the Mediterranean, the Middle East, India and China - none of which phenotypes are "blond and blue eyed". Northern Europe, /where the said phenotype is most widespread/ started coming to it's own in the late Middle Ages-Renaissance period, like the last 10 centuries. Anyway, phenotypes have nothing to do with anything.

I'm light-haired, blue-eyed, very-white-transparant skinned with freckles - so what? All my relatives are Mediterranean type, in Bulgaria my type is recessive. The Thracians were reported to have been blue eyed and read haired - and they never developed a literal society, never wrote about themselves, but as the Celts are a "mute" civilization. The Alans and the Scythans, and the Celts were supposed to have been blue-eyed - they were all "mute". in times when Mediterranean, - as well as Indian, and Chinese - phehotypes were writing their histories and creating what we will call the "base of the Western world". All Europe now writes with the alphabets Mediterranean phenotypes came up with, brown-eyed and olive-skinned as they were; an dthe Greek and Roman science, engineering, literature and social sciences are what the same in the Western world are based and build on. So, phenotypes have nothing to do with anything.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2012 at 12:15
okay then my lovelies, lets get into some real thinking

white skin?

White skin would not have evolved in the climate of Asia or even Southern Europe could it because it is to darn sunny, 

am i right?

Arabic peoples have white skin, why would people from say Iran have substantially lighter skin than those from Africa when it is just as sunny in Iran as it is in Africa?

why would evolution work that way?

white skin must have evolved in a dark environment dont you think?

white skin is genetically dominant over black

the lack of light is is the only thing that could have turned our skin white, and where is there a lack of light SKANDINAVIA.

perhaps the only way that i can prove my theory is to discredit every other theory!

Arabic peoples that are not exposed to the sun all the time have white skin.

why would evolution have given arabic people white skin when they were evolving there must have been lots of sunlight on there bodys?



Arab white skin from very sunny environment



african dark skin - sunny environment



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I think Europeans and Americans are shameful of their racist history, so they prefer to not talk about these things!

Race and racism are two different things, like religion and religionism, the fact is that religionists, especially Islmists, have killed several more poeple and have committed much more crimes than racists, but the problem is that religion is a holy thing, so people proudly talk about it.

Who are really racists? Nazis or Jews who consider themselves as the God's chosen people?!
 


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Originally posted by atlantean

Look at how the masses of ignorant people ridiculed darwin when he said what he said, the same thing is happening now with you lot to me

WAKE UP

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atlantean, the general recognized way of overturning a standing argument is by doing so with the proof to do so. As yet you have not done so. Please wake us up with your proof if you have it. If you do not have this proof then please be gracious enough to inform us with this information so we can also evaluate what you have been telling us. Thank you in advance for you cooperation.Smile 
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Look at how the masses of ignorant people ridiculed darwin when he said what he said, the same thing is happening now with you lot to me

WAKE UP

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Ah yes, the blue eyed, blond haired Master Race.  Now where did I here about this before? 
 
 
I just reread the initial post in this thread.  There are many problems with their theory.  The biggest is the time frame.  They fail to take the eruption of mt. Toba into consideration.  Approx. 70,000 ybp humans were reduced to less than 10,000, worldwide.  It's called "the genetic bottleneck".  This is science fact.  Geneticists have known about this for years.  This other stuff is a white bigot's fantasy. 
Could there have been an unknown civilization 130,000 ybp? Certainly possible.  But considering there isn't any solid evidence for such, any ideas about their genetic makeup would be pure fantasy, conjecture at best.
 
 
 


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People with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor, according to new research.

A team of scientists has tracked down a geneticmutation that leads to blue eyes. The mutation occurred between 6,000 and 10,000 years ago. Before then, there were no blue eyes.

"Originally, we all had brown eyes," said Hans Eiberg from the Department of Cellular and Molecular Medicine at the University of Copenhagen.

The mutation affected the so-called OCA2 gene, which is involved in the production of melanin, the pigment that gives color to our hair, eyes and skin.

http://www.livescience.com/9578-common-ancestor-blue-eyes.html

I think any theory of a people tens of thousands of years ago that were meant to have been both blonde haired and blue eyed looks to be a no show.

Btw Had these people existed and moved around in the way the OP suggested, in the last tens of thousands of years ago, then we would be falling over the remains of these people, that would show the traits indicated. If anyone has links showing evidence of these people's remains being in the areas indicated, then please do deposit those links here for the members to peruse at their leisure. 

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