Gobekli Tepe

Bulding a hill of dirt over sacred objects was done in Ancient Thrace with some of the royal tombs - the tombs were build and after this an artificial mound was piled on them, this is connected with seeing the mountians as sacred, hence putting a human-build structure and making it a hill was putting it is the "sacred space". The mountain was considered one of the symbols of the mother Goddess-Earth/Nature. In teh Thracian Orphism the sacred initiantions were done in a cave under a mountain - almos literally in the "womb of Earth/Goddess".

Hence, the deliberate burying can be seen as putting the whole temple or whatever we may call it in the "sacred space" and in this way making it "really sacred". Mountains of dirt had been made in other places, China. North America. The Egyptian pyramids are nothing but artificial mountains that contain the Pharaoh's tomb to put it in the "sacred space".

Yes, the only clearly identifyable deity on Gobelki Tepe is Mother Goddess. There is a bull too, and this is the combination which is found in Catal Huyuk also - Mother-Goddess and the bull.

Yes, what you call "her appearances" I call "Mother-Goddess aspects", it's the same thing. Mother-Goddess is Nature-seen-as-one, hence monotheistic religious cult/faith, /no matter what word we are going to use/.

I'm in agreement here about the site being a part of a larger network and community.

Mt Toba erupted approx. 75,000 ybp. reducing humans to pockets of survivors totaling less than 10,000.  However, considering our civilization evolved in less than 15,000 years,  there's 60,000 years left, plenty of time for an entire civilization to have evolved and vanish.   Toba's destruction was pretty total, there's no clear evidence left behind of any advanced civ. prior to the eruption. However, they have found some evidence in the Urals, where they are finding fragments of Nano tech. as well as other unidentifiable manufactured items at a stratigraphic level of 100,000 ybp.

http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/arkaim-russias-ancient-city-the-arctic-origin-of-civilisation

Originally posted by red clay Mt Toba erupted approx. 75,000 ybp. reducing humans to pockets of survivors totaling less than 10,000.  However, considering our civilization evolved in less than 15,000 years,  there's 60,000 years left, plenty of time for an entire civilization to have evolved and vanish.   Toba's destruction was pretty total, there's no clear evidence left behind of any advanced civ. prior to the eruption. However, they have found some evidence in the Urals, where they are finding fragments of Nano tech. as well as other unidentifiable manufactured items at a stratigraphic level of 100,000 ybp.

Originally posted by Drusin That centrix I believe is true and a big part of the problem.  Status quo wants to stay that way, I think a lot of experts would be reduced to waiting tables.  What really gets me is the insistence that every activity of antiquity is for some ceremonial event.  It's as though ancient man did little else except prey and offer sacrifices. I think they were worshiping the gods of commerce as much as we do today.

 

Edited by red clay - 03-Mar-2012 at 12:07

It may have been a ritual of sanctification - first, the sanctuaries in their original size were covered, literally buried to put them in sacred space; then a smaller, "human" version is build on the top that is used by humans for current religious purposes - the structures that are on the top draw their sacred meaning/power from those that are buried; those that are buried are sacred because they are in the womb of Mother-Earth=Mpther Goddess, who is the only one identifiable deity on the cite.

Similar thing was done in 4th century BC China - royal toms were buried in the ground and a temple was put on the top or next to the resulting mount. http://gallery.sjsu.edu/oldworld/asiangate/chinesetombs/tomb-tombs-page.htm  Also, the Caddo people of Texas did the same thing - making mounds over tombs and putting a small thatched temple on the top of it http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/kids/caddo/mounds.html   . There are other parallels on such sacntification, which is being done in cultures separated in time and space, so I'll attribute it to shared human archetyped thinking, rather that to cultural borrowing.

However, such borrowing is evident between Anatolia and the Balkans, where the Mother-goddess cult prospered for  along time in the Ancient Thracian culture. The Starosell tomb was turned into a mound by deliberately burying it

and all Thracian dolmens were oriented toward certain big hills to sanctify them, because the mountains were seen as sacred, being literally the pregnant belly of Mother-Earth-Goddess. The Thracian Cotys came from the Anatolian Cybele, who came from the Mother-Goddes on Gobekli Tepe. Hence, Anatolia and the Balkans, and Mycenean Greece can be seen as one cultural continuation; when the Dorians came and got established in Greece, the Greeks developed their culture in a different direction, while the Thracian retained the older Asia-Minor-influenced culture that connected them with Anatolia, so explanations for what the historical reality may have been in Anatolia may be searched in what has been discovered in Thrace. The prehistory of the Balkans and Anatolia has been connected since times immemorial.


Edited by Don Quixote - 04-Mar-2012 at 01:23

Mountain was Mother's arm.Control of arm they put to dead one,powerful on Earth and glorious.It was the same in America:deep beneath pyramid was buried Leader,Terrestrial representation of Her!This reminds me about volcano.Control of Volcanoes eruptions looks powerful even today!