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Topic: Gobekli Tepe Posted: 12-Dec-2013 at 10:39 |
Originally posted by ds_baker
I know this is off topic, but I wonder if and when we get to the moon again... will we find remnants of an earlier civilization? Sometimes I think we go so far forward we eventually meet our beginnings. |
I'm one of those folks who believes we were to the moon before the Apollo missions. Sometime in our past, prior to the Mt Toba eruption, there was a civilization that was as advanced as we are now, possibly more so.
There's evidence in many places, it's been misinterpreted or flat out ignored as it doesn't fit with the "religous timelines".
The expression "Ooparts", out of place artifacts, was invented to describe some of this evidence.
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Posted: 12-Dec-2013 at 10:11 |
Originally posted by opuslola
Actually Red, if you ever got off of your high horse, and actually read the Fomenko material, you might well change your tune?
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I have read enough to know I don't need to read the rest. I put Fomenko in the same catagory as "Ancient Aliens".
My kids used to play "what if". They were much better at it.
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Posted: 12-Dec-2013 at 09:45 |
I know this is off topic, but I wonder if and when we get to the moon again... will we find remnants of an earlier civilization? Sometimes I think we go so far forward we eventually meet our beginnings.
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Posted: 12-Dec-2013 at 00:19 |
Actually Red, if you ever got off of your high horse, and actually read the Fomenko material, you might well change your tune?
Regards to you and your championship tomatoes!
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Posted: 11-Dec-2013 at 23:48 |
If that's true, then it's a sure thing none of them has visited the site, or considered the region as a whole.
Might also find out what they are smoking, must be dynomite stuff.
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Posted: 11-Dec-2013 at 23:11 |
Just for balance, the Fomenko Group considers this site as being from the 13th century CE or later. It is considered as a Cossack fortress.
Ron
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Posted: 09-May-2013 at 11:42 |
Actually, they have found a section of the site that is dated to 15,000 bce. The question here is, how long were they in the area before they built this? Where did they come from? They had to have considerable engineering abilities. I don't believe this was their first and only project. They had to have had previous experience.
I think the dating on these folks can be pushed back to 20,000 bce. ????
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Posted: 08-May-2013 at 11:44 |
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Posted: 23-Sep-2012 at 00:35 |
We live our cycle of civilization's rise.According Plato there were many of them. We are winners we do not live the fall of civilization.The Start of Fall?Who knows?
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Posted: 19-Jul-2012 at 15:37 |
I hope this is useful Sharwina
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Posted: 26-Jun-2012 at 11:03 |
Technology, and other evolutionary systems grow exponentially as complexity increases. Each technological era, as it becomes more complex, accelerates in the speed of development. http://www.kurzweilai.net/kurzweils-law-aka-the-law-of-accelerating-returns
http://www.michaelturner.us/2008/04/06/exponential-acceleration-of-evolution/
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Posted: 26-Jun-2012 at 00:58 |
I am so very happy to have found this forum.-Extremely well thought out replies and considered opinions. I am very new to topics such as this. So I am begging your indulgence. This site in Turkey points to the fact however inconvenient, that humans and ordered society existed a lot longer or father back than previously thought.
It is the slow grinding defeat of hypothesis that is at stake. Universally colleges and universities have taught theory X and now with the internet and such sites as this, a growing preponderance of evidence is mounting to challenge or even overthrow the basic principals that early human beings were brutal knuckle dragging idiots. It is often the hubris of the modern man to think that somehow our collective shared ancestors were less intelligent than we are today.
The main difference today is that we have the collective knowledge of ages to draw upon. That doesn't mean our ancient ancestors were less than intelligent, in fact owing to this site and sites such as Newgrange point to the fact that in certain venues they were smarter than we are today.
I have read theories that state Humans as we can easily recognize today walking the streets of the world have been on this planet for at least 100,000 years. Since the Bronze age (Approximate Dating) started some where around 3300 BCE or what ever term your comfortable using, we are now into the second millennium of the Current Era. If I am doing the math correct, that is roughly 5,312 years... In that time we have gone from smelting copper, then adding tin to make bronze. Later we learned how to make iron and then steel.-You can see the progression of technology.
My question to this august forum, What the heck did we do before we learned to smelt copper or make bronze? How many times have humans risen only to fall back? Let's just round it out-we went from learning how to domesticate animals to walking on the moon in less than 10,000 years. This is a teasing question I ask archaeologist friends: "How many times have we been to the Moon?"
Please if this reply and questions are out of place re-post them someplace else. Thank you
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Posted: 24-Jun-2012 at 04:11 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
When was it abandoned, and are there any clues as to the reasons for this?
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Maybe we won't learn because of archaeological thefts. One head figure which was 11.000 years old, was stolen in Göbeklitepe.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/archaeologist-pays-for-stolen-statues-head.aspx?pageID=238&nID=17554&NewsCatID=375
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Posted: 05-Mar-2012 at 19:41 |
When was it abandoned, and are there any clues as to the reasons for this?
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Posted: 04-Mar-2012 at 20:23 |
That's right, there are many such examples in many cultures.
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Posted: 04-Mar-2012 at 20:05 |
That's got me thinking of the Aztec pyramids and Sumerian ziggurats. A new temple was built on top of the existing one so the priests could get closer to the gods
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Posted: 04-Mar-2012 at 11:09 |
Mountain was Mother's arm.Control of arm they put to dead one,powerful on Earth and glorious.It was the same in America:deep beneath pyramid was buried Leader,Terrestrial representation of Her!This reminds me about volcano.Control of Volcanoes eruptions looks powerful even today!
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Posted: 04-Mar-2012 at 10:49 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
Why did they replace the original structure with smaller buildings? To me, this sounds like the result of a catastrophic, irreversable population decline |
It would appear that way at first. But the evidence shows that the backfilling occurred over a very long period of time and that the first level temples were not buried at the same time. Also, the 2nd level buildings were almost the same size as the first.
I go along with DQ on this one.
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Posted: 04-Mar-2012 at 01:04 |
It may have been a ritual of sanctification - first, the sanctuaries in their original size were covered, literally buried to put them in sacred space; then a smaller, "human" version is build on the top that is used by humans for current religious purposes - the structures that are on the top draw their sacred meaning/power from those that are buried; those that are buried are sacred because they are in the womb of Mother-Earth=Mpther Goddess, who is the only one identifiable deity on the cite. Similar thing was done in 4th century BC China - royal toms were buried in the ground and a temple was put on the top or next to the resulting mount. http://gallery.sjsu.edu/oldworld/asiangate/chinesetombs/tomb-tombs-page.htm Also, the Caddo people of Texas did the same thing - making mounds over tombs and putting a small thatched temple on the top of it http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/kids/caddo/mounds.html . There are other parallels on such sacntification, which is being done in cultures separated in time and space, so I'll attribute it to shared human archetyped thinking, rather that to cultural borrowing. However, such borrowing is evident between Anatolia and the Balkans, where the Mother-goddess cult prospered for along time in the Ancient Thracian culture. The Starosell tomb was turned into a mound by deliberately burying it and all Thracian dolmens were oriented toward certain big hills to
sanctify them, because the mountains were seen as sacred, being
literally the pregnant belly of Mother-Earth-Goddess. The Thracian Cotys
came from the Anatolian Cybele, who came from the Mother-Goddes on
Gobekli Tepe. Hence, Anatolia and the Balkans, and Mycenean Greece can be seen as one cultural continuation; when the Dorians came and got established in Greece, the Greeks developed their culture in a different direction, while the Thracian retained the older Asia-Minor-influenced culture that connected them with Anatolia, so explanations for what the historical reality may have been in Anatolia may be searched in what has been discovered in Thrace. The prehistory of the Balkans and Anatolia has been connected since times immemorial.
Edited by Don Quixote - 04-Mar-2012 at 01:23
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