AK-47 or M-16? NATO or Warsaw?

Ehm..., you can't actually compare all these rifles. They have different logic.

The AK-47 is too old to be compared to M-16, it uses bigger bullets which causes lot of recoil. Especially the G3 uses 7.62mm NATO bullets, with which automatic fire is pretty much useless. The 7.62 NATO bullet has 3000-3500 J muzzle energy, while the 5.56 NATO has like 1500 J. The M-16 has a limited range compared to G3 and other such rifles (M14, FN FAL), but can actually fire automatically. I think that the british version of the FAL didn't even have automatic fire as an option.

The M-16A2 is considered one of the best 5.56 rifles, as it has solved its reliability issues.

For my part AK-47 is the best!

as both are ARs the firing rate is not important.

Firing rate is only important when u want to have conc. cone of fire. e.g. MGs & SAWs

One bullet is usually enough to stop a guy, however as AK uses 7.62, rather than 5.56 rounds they have a greater stopping power.

I have never ran a obstacle course with both of them, but anecdotal evidence suggest that the AK is hardier (breaks and IAs), and you want a hardier rifle when you go out.

The AK is supposedly slower to strip assemble and clean than the M16.

The AK is heavier, due to the fact that it is not made of composites materials, but if you want a really light rifle what for go for M16A1? go for the carbine, it is exactly the same as the M16 except with a foldable buttstock and couple of cms shorter barrel and almost a kilo lighter.

And i still think that semi-auto rather than burst is most commonly used by most armies. the only reason to use burst is if you are within like 40 metres of the enemy when you engage, e.g. street fighting or CQB.
That is why in the mode selector, it goes safe, semi then auto.

Originally posted by wshall I would argue for the new models of the m-16, although the comment about the carbine is also valid.

Yes, but the AK-47 is a better club in close combat! 

I dont think if they are still using ye olde AK-47s with 7.62 Warsaw pacts, They are replaced with AK-74s(which use 5.56 mm) AFAIK...

Yes.

New AKs use however the 5.56mm NATO bullets!

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I always had the impression that the M16 would succeed the G3 in the Greek army. Afterall the army already has many M16 in use with the special forces.

I think that 115000 pieces are not so many. I don't know how exactly infantry operates, but I think it seems the G3 will remain in use with the rest 200000+ infantrymen that supposedly Greece will present in a possible war.

Btw, I have the impression that the greek army is gradually copying the german in more and more aspects.

Originally posted by Hector Victorious Ah Yes the G36, I have to go with this rifle. I am More of a fan of the G3 than any of the weapons up there but its only the best of a bad lot. The M-16 is much to malfunction prone. While the AK is to inaccrurate. I mean after your 5th shot it becomes an anti-aircraft weapon!

I fired something like 3000 rounds with only two different AK47. I noticed no inaccuracy developing. Inaccuracy is related to maintenance, you take care of your weapons, they will work fine.

Originally posted by DukeC Any more info on the XM29. Is that a 12-gauge above the automatic rifle. Nasty looking weapon by the way!

That's actually a 20 mm grenade launcher.  I heard these weapons have a lot of problems which is only to be expected with a new sytem.  The grenade launcher is not that lethal, and the gun itself is very expensive, heavy, and bulky.

Still though, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of one.

Yiannis, probably the G36 will equip the actual combatants, and the G3 the supportive units.

I don't know if the service will be reduced to 6-8 months. Karamanlis had said before the elections that it will reduce to 6 months, but the Army does not like it, as it will cost seriously to the readiness of the army. I heard that the service was planned to be reduced to 11 months, but the Minister of Defence has not spoken about it yet.