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AK-47 or M-16? NATO or Warsaw?

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Poll Question: Which one do you think was better?The good old Kelesh or the mighty?
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  Quote fastspawn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: AK-47 or M-16? NATO or Warsaw?
    Posted: 02-Sep-2004 at 19:49
to qin army,

What do u mean that it is long range? It is the same range as the M16, effective till 300-400m. maximum range 1.6 km

it is about as accurate as the m16

is ur seventh point meaning "stationary"? How so? it is a automatic rifle like m16, and iin fact it has higer recoil.

easy to use as the m16 and for that matter any rifle.

And change magazine is fast as the m16.

Other than that ak47 is better than m16 in many aspects, it just draws with it at this few aspects.
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  Quote Arkhanson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2004 at 04:00

Gunpowder which used in AK-47 is better than M16'S Gunpowder we saw the defeat of M16 at Viet-Nam war

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  Quote cattus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2004 at 09:37

the m16 of then and now are completely different, besides the US defeated the Vietnamese on the field but had to pull out for political reasons.

The newest models are as good as a conventional gun is going to get.

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  Quote Gallipoli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2004 at 09:44
Originally posted by Arkhanson

Gunpowder which used in AK-47 is better than M16'S Gunpowder we saw the defeat of M16 at Viet-Nam war

Gunpowder? Hahahahahahaha What age are we living in Arcan?

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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2004 at 10:11
Originally posted by Gallipoli


Gunpowder? Hahahahahahaha What age are we living in Arcan?


Yes, gunpowder. How did you think the bullets were fired?
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  Quote Gallipoli Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2004 at 10:13
Oh god, you call it BIA(Bullet Incorporated Ammunition) not "Gunpowder"
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  Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2004 at 10:22

Originally posted by Gallipoli

Oh god, you call it BIA(Bullet Incorporated Ammunition) not "Gunpowder"

We sure as heklefjll called it gunpowder in the army, because that is what it is, whatever fancy title you want to use.

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  Quote Laelius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Oct-2004 at 00:05

M-16 is in my opinion the superior weapon and here's why,

-Its made entirely of composite material so its lighter

-Faster rate of fire

-higher velocity causing more damage to the target even if AK rounds are a bit bigger, under 100 meters the 5.56 round has a tendency to fragment after impact causing a devastating effect on flesh

-More accuracy at range

-Less recoil, less affect on accuracy in automatic fire.

 

Personally I think a better comparison would be the M16A1 V the AK 74

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  Quote babyblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Oct-2004 at 03:04
Originally posted by Laelius

 

-Faster rate of fire

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              higher rate of fire is not necessarily better...

       Steyr Aug hands down...i've fired one before...and it's gooooooood...

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  Quote maersk Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2004 at 23:40

none of these guns is as good as the bofors ak5.........

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  Quote lars573 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Oct-2004 at 17:02

Firearm ammunition hasn't had gunpowder since the boer war when the british started to use early maxim MG's in the field and all the smoke from blackpowder made it so you couldn't see f*ck all. So they switched to cordite same bang no smoke.

I chose the G3 as it was used by most nato and commonwealth nations from the 60's until the mid 80's. Another assault rifle that has a special place in my heart is the Steyr AUG. And the FN F2000



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  Quote Jagatai Khan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Oct-2004 at 05:55
M-16 is better.Especially in Counter-Strike.
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  Quote lars573 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2004 at 00:53
^But the AUG and the F2000 look cooler.
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  Quote Abyssmal Fiend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Nov-2004 at 06:55

AK-47 VS M-16 A1 is almost an exact match. The AK-47 bullets are a bit wider at the head, that's about it.

AK-47 VS M-16 A2 (Current Issue) isn't even a challenge. With the A2's lack of weight, it's so much better than the AK-47.

AKM VS M-16 A2 I'd say the AKM is a step up from the AK-47, but still doesn't match the A2. Still too heavy to be effective.

AK-74 VS M-16 A2, AK-74 hands down. A bit lighter, smaller, doesn't fire as far, less recoil... It's basically a Russian MP5.


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  Quote Laelius Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Nov-2004 at 12:53

[q]higher rate of fire is not necessarily better...[/q]

 

it is only a problem if the gun also has a higher recoil, or muzzle climb.  Since the M-16 has less recoil the higher rate of fire isn't a problem.

 

[q]It's basically a Russian MP5.[/q]


I think you've got the wrong gun, AK74 is the same as a 47 only its made of lighter materials and has a smaller calibre.  the AKSU 74 is a Ak74 in sub machine gun size.

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  Quote aghart Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 15:32
I voted AK 47 for it's simplicity, people have mentioned "rate of fire", tell me, are the British the only people who still prefer to use "single aimed shots"?  3 targets, 3 shots fired, and hopefully 3 targets hit,  rather than 3 targets  500 rounds blazed away in the general direction of the enemy and hopefully 3 targets hit. 
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  Quote Illuminati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Sep-2005 at 19:35
The new gun that the US Army is going to adopt is going to destroy both the M-16 and AK-47

XM29 - Its better with environmental factors than bot the M-16 and AK-47. There ar a few different models that are being worked with. They are still playing around with teh XM29 to try and make it a bit lighter, but it is supposed to place the M-16 as the standard weapon for the US military. They are planning on getting it into the Army gradually by having 4 OICW XM29's per 9 man squad. Eventually, it'll take over






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  Quote Turkic10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 19:45

For penetrating power, ie a guy behind a 8 inch tree, the AK will kill him and the M-16 will not.

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  Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 20:04
I have seen pictures of US and British soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan who were armed with AKs - why?
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  Quote Illuminati Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Nov-2005 at 23:00
Originally posted by Zagros

I have seen pictures of US and British soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan who were armed with AKs - why?


Some special forces prefer them. It is also a tactic to use AK's. When in a large firefight (especially at night) some US soldiers use AK's because the insurgents can judge the the position of coalition troops by the distinctive sound of their M-16's and Enfields if they can't see them. So, the use of AK's confuses the insurgents as to the postition of coalition troops during a confusing firefight. It's just an added advantage. This tactic was widely used in Vietnam.


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