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Topic: Zulfiqar, Sword of Ali Posted: 15-Apr-2011 at 10:13 |
Zulfiqar was a sword with two blades Muhammed gave to his bravest warrior Ali. At the Battle of the Trench Ali used it to defeat a fierce Meccan opponent by cleaving through his shield and armor.
How did Muhammed acquire Zulfiqar? Who made it? What happened to it after Ali's death? And did it really have two blades or was it double-edged like a Roman gladius?
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Posted: 15-Apr-2011 at 18:39 |
Its origins are rather hazy. One account claims it was forged by King David.
As for its appearance, perhaps its traditional shape is a little glamorized. Back then in Arabia scimitars probably weren't used yet. Instead they used short swords similar to a gladius or Sassanid-style longswords. Curved sabers were probably introduced by the Turks around the 10th century, who used it because of its effective slashing ability on horseback.
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Posted: 26-Aug-2011 at 20:42 |
I've not heard from my old buddy Arab for some time. I hope he comes back soon
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Posted: 17-Oct-2011 at 14:05 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
How did Muhammed acquire Zulfiqar? Who made it? |
In the battle of Uhad Ali was fighting and saving the prophet Mohammad.
Due to the continuous attack and the power of Ali general swords were
broken again and again. Mohammad prayed for Ali "O God you gave power to
Ali now give the weapon yourself". The angel Gabriel appeared, bearing
the sword Zulfiqar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zulfiqaror according to some sources, Mukavkas Muhammed (Malik of Eygpt) gave it to Muhammed and he gave it to Ali
Originally posted by Nick1986
What happened to it after Ali's death? |
there are two theories about it. 1-Ali throw it into the water in city Najaf 2-Mehdi(=Messiah?) will return Earth with Zulfiqar
Originally posted by Nick1986
And did it really have two blades or was it double-edged like a Roman gladius? |
yes, people believe it like that. one blade is for science/wisdom, one of them for justice. It is also a kind of symbol for Alevi people in Turkey. Their most special idiom is "Allah, Muhammed, Ali" and Zulfiqar means Hz. Ali for them. for more information about Alevis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alevi
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Posted: 17-Oct-2011 at 19:01 |
Why did Ali throw his sword into the water? Was he mortally wounded like King Arthur, or did he have another reason?
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Posted: 18-Oct-2011 at 12:48 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
Why did Ali throw his sword into the water? Was he mortally wounded like King Arthur, or did he have another reason? |
Ali didn't die in battle so I don't believe mortally wound option.
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Posted: 23-Jan-2013 at 20:00 |
we, shias, believe that dhulfiqar is actually in the hands of our last Imam, Al-Mahdi(aj), who is in occultation since more than 1000 years
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Posted: 24-Jan-2013 at 08:26 |
Does that mean Zulfiqar is currently in heaven, or concealed somewhere on earth for the Mahdi to use when he returns?
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Posted: 25-Jan-2013 at 10:51 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
Zulfiqar was a sword with two blades Muhammed gave to his bravest warrior Ali. At the Battle of the Trench Ali used it to defeat a fierce Meccan opponent by cleaving through his shield and armor.
How did Muhammed acquire Zulfiqar? Who made it? What happened to it after Ali's death? And did it really have two blades or was it double-edged like a Roman gladius? |
I have a feeling that the above picture of the sword maybe due to a misunderstanding of the story of how the sword was meant to have been found, and given to Ali by Muhammed. Two swords becoming a sword double bladed at the end. The way I gather it a pagan temple was captured, and two swords were retrieved. One of the swords was called Al-Mikhdham, and the other Al-Rasub. The sword known as Al-Mikhdham was the sword given to Ali and called Al-Dhulfiqar, later to be known as Zulfiqar.
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