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Aeem
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Topic: Cold War Posted: 09-Feb-2011 at 10:31 |
I have several question about the cold war and especially on the representation in the US about this period. So what is the actually representation in the United State about the Cold War, the communism, the Russia ... ?
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red clay
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Posted: 09-Feb-2011 at 12:59 |
I'm not sure what your looking for. There are several of us here, myself included, who actually lived through the Cold War. That is from start to finish. If you can clarify your post maybe someone can give you some answers.
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Posted: 09-Feb-2011 at 17:17 |
I will try to do most clear.
How the americans people see the communism ? the Russia ?
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Posted: 09-Feb-2011 at 20:38 |
"How the americans people see the communism ? the Russia ?"
Both of the above are just the opposite of America! Just why do you think that the "Soviet" failed?
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Posted: 10-Feb-2011 at 03:20 |
What do you think happen today on west?Political systems are connected.You had converted your political systems,in human devoted like one,after communism was established.After this one failed,western world starts it's transformations.If there were no,computer connected markets and electronic fast reaction virtual banking,worst possible economic crises will rule all around the world today!?! So I believe that during the communism on the East,Western world lived his "own type of communism"!!?Therefore you "adventure" hard those changes after "falling of the Wall," inside your society!?!Good old Johny Lennon sings: "Nobody told me there'd be days like these".http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBCdlBrgEmE
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Posted: 10-Feb-2011 at 05:14 |
The worst screenplay ever have happened to the world since the fall of communism on the East!?! Global capitalistic societies absorb new basic rule of their existence:If economics are good we work according the Capital basic rules,I make the profit cause i own the capital.When do economic crises happen, state involve with money from tax payers,equal to communism, because I am born to be master,You now that?!?So called state ,is personal service, of Your beloved masters!!!Risk belongs to slaves,masters do not care about it cause they own the states.New world order was not even supposed as combination of worst features of East and West by George Orwell.
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Aeem
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Posted: 10-Feb-2011 at 07:26 |
Originally posted by opuslola
"How the americans people see the communism ? the Russia ?"
Both of the above are just the opposite of America! Just why do you think that the "Soviet" failed? |
For me the communism is an utopia, it's not compatible with the human nature. Keep a country by the strenght and the dictatorship is the best means to raise. However I lived 5 years ago in Bucarest and the major part of population regret the communism because there was no unemployment.
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Posted: 10-Feb-2011 at 09:24 |
There are always people who, have a closed memory to unpleasant happenings, they have a tendency to only remember the good. There were/are folks in Russia who want the return of Stalinism.
Communism is the exact opposite of our system. Russia was looked on as an unknown in some ways, a former allie who went bad in other ways.
How about some specifics.
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Posted: 16-Feb-2011 at 18:01 |
One of the problems was the fact that "Potemkin" cities, farms, etc., were perpetuated by the populace after the establishment of the Soviet!
It would seem almost impossible to impose a five or seven year plan concerning "crops" when the managers of the collectives, set out to fake good harvests, rather than take the risk of being shot!
If you have never heard of "Potemkim Villages" see next;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village
At the above site, you will be told that this system was or is, as myth!
But, under Soviet rule, it was not the exception, it seems, but reality!
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Posted: 16-Feb-2011 at 19:19 |
Potemkin and his virtual villages are more or less part of every ancient/contemporary history. Only those that have lived both systems can make premise about.I am far away from orthodox communism but have survived socialism with some collateral damage included.Main problem was/is/will be:West countries were so concerned about their positions inside those Eastern/Southern European countries that did not hesitated about one direct transformation.This one just jumped over 1000 years of democratic evolution on west and introduced criminal economic and political systems.Now West is blaming those governments for corruption,unemployment ,low standard.bed infrastructure etc.etc.Reason for this lay inside this joke:Horse raised his leg,shoe to be nailed.Frog have seen this and did the same .Structures that create societies are needed a check of time,let me say "evolution". European plans for some Eastern regions are "Potemkin Villages" and Uncle Sam also follows them. Story about virtual revolving of credits is one of global "Potemkin Villages".Joke will explain that: Bank client receive early morning call from the bank."Dear Sir you have spent your credit card limit already".Wait for me I am coming,will write you check for that amount".Bye...Have to go...Teachers need a sleep.
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Posted: 18-Feb-2011 at 09:49 |
Aeem, this may be more of what your looking for. After WWII Russia was percieved as the new "enemy" but not in the way that the Axis was seen. After all, uncle Joe had been an ally against the Axis. It gradually became a situation of "enemy mine". We studied as much Russian history as American. As time went on the competition between the 2 sides, [US, Britain and France on one side Soviet block on the other] began to run into all aspects of life. The Olympics has never been the same as it was when there was a Soviet Union. The status quo became the rule, until Ronald Reagen.
This is very brief, but if that's more of what your looking for let me know, I can go into it more in depth, as can others such as Opuslola.
A threat commonly heard in American households was- "Eat your vegetables or the Russians will get you." ???
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Posted: 18-Feb-2011 at 16:13 |
Originally posted by red clay
There are always people who, have a closed memory to unpleasant happenings, they have a tendency to only remember the good. There were/are folks in Russia who want the return of Stalinism.
Communism is the exact opposite of our system. Russia was looked on as an unknown in some ways, a former allie who went bad in other ways.
How about some specifics.
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Stalin was indeed brutal, probably as bad as Hitler if not worse. I understand that during his time most Westerners saw him as a good just leader. He concealed all the atrocities he committed and the Allied leaders wanted to keep his atrocities unknown to the public for strategic reasons.
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Posted: 18-Feb-2011 at 19:12 |
Did You know that they belonged,ideological(Hitler and Stalin) to same group of self proclaimed ancestors of Empires?Stalin was Hitler's idol.Communism was social ideal for National Socialists party, for Germans only.Heavenly people were creators of new world ideology for lebensraum,living space.Therefore millions were needed dead,those that had not Aryan blood:Judges,Slaves,Gypsies,etc..etc..Agreement according to this was assigned by Molotov and Ribbentrop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact Was this done by them?!?(lebensraum?)
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Posted: 13-Apr-2011 at 06:03 |
I would add that Americans, and English-speakers more broadly, have always been quite hostile to communism. Our hostility is rooted in thinkers like Locke and Adam Smith who are less influential on the European continent.
During WW II, the Americans act friendly toward the Soviets but that was just wartime propaganda. There was little love for the Soviets since theWWir first days in power in 1918. Woodrow Wilson hated them as did Lloyd George. The first Red Scare was in the 1920 and 1930s. The next Red Scare followed WWII by only a couple years. Once the Soviets broke their promise of free elections in Poland and Czechoslovakia, all bets were off. The Berlin Airlift was the last straw. Once they blockaded Berlin in 1948, the Russians/Soviets lost all sympathy in the US ... except on college campuses and from idiots like Noam Chomsky and Barack Obama.
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Posted: 13-Apr-2011 at 09:21 |
Originally posted by Patryk
I would add that Americans, and English-speakers more broadly, have always been quite hostile to communism. Our hostility is rooted in thinkers like Locke and Adam Smith who are less influential on the European continent.
During WW II, the Americans act friendly toward the Soviets but that was just wartime propaganda. There was little love for the Soviets since theWWir first days in power in 1918. Woodrow Wilson hated them as did Lloyd George. The first Red Scare was in the 1920 and 1930s. The next Red Scare followed WWII by only a couple years. Once the Soviets broke their promise of free elections in Poland and Czechoslovakia, all bets were off. The Berlin Airlift was the last straw. Once they blockaded Berlin in 1948, the Russians/Soviets lost all sympathy in the US ... except on college campuses and from idiots like Noam Chomsky and Barack Obama. |
You were doing well, up to the point where you comment on the college campus's and Obama. Shame, you lose me there.
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Posted: 13-Apr-2011 at 11:35 |
Maybe I could give you the link of that topic. The link is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Soviet_and_Russian_espionage_in_the_United_States Hope that helps alot! Good luck
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