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Topic: where black africans savages prior to colonization Posted: 16-Oct-2012 at 10:24 |
Originally posted by Boma
Originally posted by Nick1986
Originally posted by Mountain Man
In fact, Africans were not "savages" -their civilizations were quite sophisticated in many ways, but they peaked before the arrival of Europeans and presented a picture of simple people, but the ruins all over Africa say otherwise.
The Great Fortress of Zimbabwe was built long before European savages even thought about building fortresses out of solid stone, and reveals a degree of sophistication not seen again until until the great stone fortresses of Europe and the Crusades.
Irrigation systems in desert lands were highly sophisticated and still exist - and function - to this day.
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Take the ancient Egyptians, for example. They built magnificent pyramids, temples and cities while Europeans still lived in mud huts and wore animal skins |
Uhm !! Ancient Egyptians ? The Ancient Egyptians became cannibals after their destruction by the ARABS. The few that survived are mostly in Nigeria today with no knowledge of their origin. What happened ? They lost every thing including the civilization their forefathers started and became savages .
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So you're saying colonisation transformed them from a great civilisation into savages?
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Posted: 18-Oct-2012 at 09:53 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
Originally posted by Boma
Originally posted by Nick1986
Originally posted by Mountain Man
In fact, Africans were not "savages" -their civilizations were quite sophisticated in many ways, but they peaked before the arrival of Europeans and presented a picture of simple people, but the ruins all over Africa say otherwise.
The Great Fortress of Zimbabwe was built long before European savages even thought about building fortresses out of solid stone, and reveals a degree of sophistication not seen again until until the great stone fortresses of Europe and the Crusades.
Irrigation systems in desert lands were highly sophisticated and still exist - and function - to this day.
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Take the ancient Egyptians, for example. They built magnificent pyramids, temples and cities while Europeans still lived in mud huts and wore animal skins |
Uhm !! Ancient Egyptians ? The Ancient Egyptians became cannibals after their destruction by the ARABS. The few that survived are mostly in Nigeria today with no knowledge of their origin. What happened ? They lost every thing including the civilization their forefathers started and became savages .
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So you're saying colonisation transformed them from a great civilisation into savages? |
You know Arabization leads to primitivity because people are limited to Islamic principles which do not have room for innovation. And so yes the invasion of Egypt and other parts of AFRICA by the ARABS actually led Africans to become savages. Our civilization is not given chance to progress.
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Posted: 18-Oct-2012 at 12:23 |
What do you mean, Arabization made it primitive? What about the Golden Age of Islam, with all the due astromonical, mathematical etc achieviements? What about all the Arabic universities in Timbuctu and the books left there from this time? What about Sufism, one of the great philosophical systems, it is Islamic, and it's not primitive by any standard. I wouldn't defend a stance than Arabization lead to primitivism anyway.
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Posted: 18-Oct-2012 at 13:10 |
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So you're saying colonisation transformed them from a great civilisation into savages?[/QUOTE] Was I that unclear when I said that the ancient African civilizations had peaked and declined before the Europeans came onto the scene? As I have mention at least twice before, the early African tribes and cultures were remarkably sophisticated. The advent of Europeans, if anything, furthered their decline by arbitrarily laying down borders without regard for tribal claims - thus promoting internecine warfare - and by making the African dependent upon the European technology .
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Posted: 18-Oct-2012 at 13:56 |
Originally posted by Mountain Man
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So you're saying colonisation transformed them from a great civilisation into savages?[/QUOTE] Was I that unclear when I said that the ancient African civilizations had peaked and declined before the Europeans came onto the scene? As I have mention at least twice before, the early African tribes and cultures were remarkably sophisticated. The advent of Europeans, if anything, furthered their decline by arbitrarily laying down borders without regard for tribal claims - thus promoting internecine warfare - and by making the African dependent upon the European technology . [/QUOTE] I agree with you that certain tribes on the African Continent were remarkably sophisticated but don't agree that all had already peaked and declined before Europeans came onto the scene. The West African coast was still rockin', particularly the Kingdom of Benin, when the very first *white men* threw anchor off the coast. High ranking ambassadors of the kingdom there were first taken back as honored guests to see the sites of Europe. Give me some time and I'll get references.
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Posted: 19-Oct-2012 at 00:37 |
Originally posted by Ekundayo
Originally posted by Mountain Man
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So you're saying colonisation transformed them from a great civilisation into savages? |
Was I that unclear when I said that the ancient African civilizations had peaked and declined before the Europeans came onto the scene? As I have mention at least twice before, the early African tribes and cultures were remarkably sophisticated. The advent of Europeans, if anything, furthered their decline by arbitrarily laying down borders without regard for tribal claims - thus promoting internecine warfare - and by making the African dependent upon the European technology . [/QUOTE] I agree with you that certain tribes on the African Continent were remarkably sophisticated but don't agree that all had already peaked and declined before Europeans came onto the scene. The West African coast was still rockin', particularly the Kingdom of Benin, when the very first *white men* threw anchor off the coast. High ranking ambassadors of the kingdom there were first taken back as honored guests to see the sites of Europe. Give me some time and I'll get references. [/QUOTE] Benin kingdom is not by the coast and the first Europeans that reached that part of Africa never met Benin immediately they arrived. Benin people were naked and wearing no cloth. Benin people never knew how to make fire. And so eating raw food was a very primitive life style that could go for savagery. Before then, the Ogiso dynasty has been dethroned and the family chased out while the ones caught were sacrificed to the deity . It was the exiled Ogiso family that founded the present day people of Egbema in Rivers state, Degema also in Rivers state and the rest of the Epie Attisa Ijaw clan of today were all parts of the Ogisso family and supporters of the Ogisso .. If they were not savages how come, even till these day, The Edo kingdom has not formerly tried to have any form of relationship with the Ogissos in diaspora . Civilized people would see an AFRICAN wearing no shoes and try to make him live and stay that way by telling him he looks good while they troop to Africa and entertain themselves with the primitive nature of the AFRICANS. Don't continue to think Europeans of those days praised what they saw in Benin kingdom when they met the first Benin people because it was all flattery and mockery. Europeans were clothed and even had electricity then while the Benin people were naked with no knowledge of fire so imagine that. Benin only became popular when it was raided and almost destroyed due to the resistance of the Oba to give in. That history is supposed to be erased because the event was an insult. The Oba was forcefully removed and banished by a Europeans paddled by Ijaw fisher men who were the people met at the coast.
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Posted: 19-Oct-2012 at 00:49 |
Originally posted by Don Quixote
What do you mean, Arabization made it primitive? What about the Golden Age of Islam, with all the due astromonical, mathematical etc achieviements? What about all the Arabic universities in Timbuctu and the books left there from this time? What about Sufism, one of the great philosophical systems, it is Islamic, and it's not primitive by any standard. I wouldn't defend a stance than Arabization lead to primitivism anyway.
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Africans knew Astronomy before ARABS invaded. At least the Pyramids of Egypt and Pyramids in Sudan are still there to prove. Astronomy has always been part of Africans. In my culture At least the early ways of counting days and seasons was by astronomy where the sun, moon and stars were used and still used today in the interior remote places. Arabic University in Timbuktu only taught Islam and ARAB CULTURE and what are the achievements ? The University never even taught medicine, shelter, basic way of planting crops.. It only brain washed the people and made them forget their own way of life and waste their time praying 5 times a day to some statue far away in the EAST which many of them do not even know about. That was the worst thing to happen to AFRICA. It made AFRICANS forget about all the HERBS they used to know for treatment of sicknesses..
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Posted: 19-Oct-2012 at 01:49 |
Originally posted by Boma
Originally posted by Nick1986
Originally posted by Mountain Man
In fact, Africans were not "savages" -their
civilizations were quite sophisticated in many ways, but they peaked
before the arrival of Europeans and presented a picture of simple
people, but the ruins all over Africa say otherwise.
The Great
Fortress of Zimbabwe was built long before European savages even thought
about building fortresses out of solid stone, and reveals a degree of
sophistication not seen again until until the great stone fortresses of
Europe and the Crusades.
Irrigation systems in desert lands were highly sophisticated and still exist - and function - to this day.
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Take the ancient Egyptians, for example. They built magnificent pyramids, temples and cities while Europeans still lived in mud huts and wore animal skins
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Uhm !! Ancient Egyptians ? The Ancient Egyptians became cannibals after their destruction by the ARABS. The few that survived are mostly in Nigeria today with no knowledge of their origin. What happened ? They lost every thing including the civilization their forefathers started and became savages .
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Sources on that?
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Posted: 19-Oct-2012 at 02:34 |
Wow. All I can say is it seems someone's been smoking crack or something. I think I'll abandon this thread for good, maybe another thread won't be hijacked to rewrite history.
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Posted: 19-Oct-2012 at 08:44 |
Originally posted by Boma
Africans knew Astronomy before ARABS invaded. At least the Pyramids of Egypt and Pyramids in Sudan are still there to prove. Astronomy has always been part of Africans. In my culture At least the early ways of counting days and seasons was by astronomy where the sun, moon and stars were used and still used today in the interior remote places. Arabic University in Timbuktu only taught Islam and ARAB CULTURE and what are the achievements ? The University never even taught medicine, shelter, basic way of planting crops.. It only brain washed the people and made them forget their own way of life and waste their time praying 5 times a day to some statue far away in the EAST which many of them do not even know about. That was the worst thing to happen to AFRICA. It made AFRICANS forget about all the HERBS they used to know for treatment of sicknesses..
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It's a very questionable that Ancient Egypt was an African civilization per se, Egypt was one of the most used migration corridors since like 60 000 BC, the ethnicities there were mixed with Near Eastern, not pure African; so I wouldn't claim it as African per se. Besides, one achievement doesn't invalidate others. You may not like the Sufies and the university of Timbuctu, but your personal opinion doesn't invalidate it's value. BTW, the Arab medicine was on a very high level, using exactly herbs etc. And then what is your excuse for the parts of Africa that Arabs never reached? If the Arabs are to blame for North Africa, what about the other parts of Africa, who was to blame there, little green people? IMHO, this thread isn't a constructive one. One culture has the right to call other cultrures "savage", nor anyone has the excuse to blame other cultures for his own demise.
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Posted: 20-Oct-2012 at 01:33 |
Originally posted by Don Quixote
Originally posted by Boma
Africans knew Astronomy before ARABS invaded. At least the Pyramids of Egypt and Pyramids in Sudan are still there to prove. Astronomy has always been part of Africans. In my culture At least the early ways of counting days and seasons was by astronomy where the sun, moon and stars were used and still used today in the interior remote places. Arabic University in Timbuktu only taught Islam and ARAB CULTURE and what are the achievements ? The University never even taught medicine, shelter, basic way of planting crops.. It only brain washed the people and made them forget their own way of life and waste their time praying 5 times a day to some statue far away in the EAST which many of them do not even know about. That was the worst thing to happen to AFRICA. It made AFRICANS forget about all the HERBS they used to know for treatment of sicknesses..
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It's a very questionable that Ancient Egypt was an African civilization per se, Egypt was one of the most used migration corridors since like 60 000 BC, the ethnicities there were mixed with Near Eastern, not pure African; so I wouldn't claim it as African per se.
Besides, one achievement doesn't invalidate others. You may not like the Sufies and the university of Timbuctu, but your personal opinion doesn't invalidate it's value. BTW, the Arab medicine was on a very high level, using exactly herbs etc.
And then what is your excuse for the parts of Africa that Arabs never reached? If the Arabs are to blame for North Africa, what about the other parts of Africa, who was to blame there, little green people?
IMHO, this thread isn't a constructive one. One culture has the right to call other cultrures "savage", nor anyone has the excuse to blame other cultures for his own demise.
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What is questionable about that ? The Land continuity and the proximity of Nubia from ASwani to Cairo and the Pyramids of Sudan are clear evidence.. Even the Bible tells how Moses ran south wards to the Land of Median and lived in the house of Jethro.. Median was Ethiopia.. Original Jews were themselves semites and semites were exactly like present day Somalians, Tuaregs or Fulanis. Ancient EGyptians were SEMITIC . When the ARABS invaded and destroyed it, the survivors ran south wards but were very few. The Continued to move South wards in scattered manner and were absorbed by different tribes.. The Culture and language of ancient Egyptians is obvious in the language of Southern Nigerian Tribes. The Pyramids were not destroyed during the invasion cos the ARABS never had the equipments fit for that. It was the Umayyad that finally destroyed it. In the Southern Nigeria tribe of Ijaw many of their words are pure Egyptian,,,, Eg.. accord or agreement in Ijaw is Aminini'm which means I have agreed.. in ancient Egypt it is Amen.. The Title Pharoah is actually pronounced Ferou and Ferou in Ijaw language is great Storm or wind.. And In Ijaw people with etra strength are Hailed as FEROU.. The Deity of the Ijaw people is called ORU and in fact the Ijaws are some times referred to as ORU. ORU is what is spelt as HORUS but pronounced as HORU an Egyptian god. The Sun in Ijaw is called IRUAH or Ruah. Rah or RUAH is said to be the SUN god of ancient Egypt. Egyptians are actually called KEMET and the Ijaws are called KHEME OTU. KHEME actually means spirit being.... This link has a a bit of this .. http://destee.com/index.php?threads/a-spiritual-discourse-of-the-ijaw-of-nigeria.44218/
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Posted: 20-Oct-2012 at 03:32 |
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
Originally posted by Boma
Originally posted by Nick1986
Originally posted by Mountain Man
In fact, Africans were not "savages" -their
civilizations were quite sophisticated in many ways, but they peaked
before the arrival of Europeans and presented a picture of simple
people, but the ruins all over Africa say otherwise.
The Great
Fortress of Zimbabwe was built long before European savages even thought
about building fortresses out of solid stone, and reveals a degree of
sophistication not seen again until until the great stone fortresses of
Europe and the Crusades.
Irrigation systems in desert lands were highly sophisticated and still exist - and function - to this day.
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Take the ancient Egyptians, for example. They built magnificent pyramids, temples and cities while Europeans still lived in mud huts and wore animal skins
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Uhm !! Ancient Egyptians ? The Ancient Egyptians became cannibals after their destruction by the ARABS. The few that survived are mostly in Nigeria today with no knowledge of their origin. What happened ? They lost every thing including the civilization their forefathers started and became savages .
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Sources on that? |
This is a source dealing with mythology and spiritual practices and beliefs of the Ijo. And while interesting in and of itself. Not credible enough to sustain the statement I id' above. Where are your academic sources based on Egyptology, Semitic Archaeology, Anthropology, Philology and Etymology? Who are your subject matter experts that can substantiate your statement? What noted historian subscribes to that generic identification of Ancient Egyptian survivors as cannibals versus the more commonly recognized view of cultural assimilation? Without these to analyze.....your's appears only to be subjective revisonism.
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Posted: 20-Oct-2012 at 03:45 |
Originally posted by Ekundayo
Wow. All I can say is it seems someone's been smoking crack or something. I think I'll abandon this thread for good, maybe another thread won't be hijacked to rewrite history.
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I can appreciate your countering viewpoints. And your reluctance and your frustration. But what is not necessary is the inference you make which is rudeness personified even in jest. We do not need that particular verbiage. As to whether you continue on the thread or not is your prerogative. As to hijacking...if you feel that's been done... then notify a Mod or the Admin-owner...PM...as per the CoC... they, not you, will make that determination. As we do not need rudeness... we also do not need confrontational speech...innuendo or unsubstantiated sarcasm.....which are also a CoC violations. I appreciate your passion in the subject and your determination in objective presentation. I am also satisfied you are capable of doing it without that noted above. I encourage you to continue with that understanding. CV Moderator
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Posted: 20-Oct-2012 at 04:19 |
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
Originally posted by Ekundayo
Wow. All I can say is it seems someone's been smoking crack or something. I think I'll abandon this thread for good, maybe another thread won't be hijacked to rewrite history.
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I can appreciate your countering viewpoints. And your reluctance and your frustration. But what is not necessary is the inference you make which is rudeness personified even in jest. We do not need that particular verbiage. As to whether you continue on the thread or not is your prerogative. As to hijacking...if you feel that's been done... then notify a Mod or the Admin-owner...PM...as per the CoC... they, not you, will make that determination. As we do not need rudeness... we also do not need confrontational speech...innuendo or unsubstantiated sarcasm.....which are also a CoC violations. I appreciate your passion in the subject and your determination in objective presentation. I am also satisfied you are capable of doing it without that noted above. I encourage you to continue with that understanding. CV Moderator
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Inference? Just what was this *inference*? Innuendo? Well maybe it would have been better to say *someone has been hitting the nitrous*, *someone's getting too big for his britches*, *someone's sat down to dinner and not brought their fork*?? Yup. I'm just not suited to exchanging with people who refuse to post from or acknowledge academic sources. How about a ban on shouting in caps? That might clean things up a bit. Just way too serious in here and not fun. I'm out.
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Posted: 20-Oct-2012 at 04:34 |
The inference and innuendo were/are self explanatory and equates to rudeness and confrontational speech. These type remarks usually degenerate into flame wars among members and I wont allow that. You don't like my appraisal, which was not even a warning, but merely commentary-advice. Then take it to another Mod or the Admin-owner PM as per the Coc. It is my prerogative to give such as a moderator whether you like it or not. Especially when the rhetoric is beyond the pale. And I, as a Moderator, percieved yours as such. Nor am I required to explain my actions as a Moderator; whether that action be comment-warning-suspenion or ban. That also is in the CoC. I did as a courtsey to you. So goodbye then and good luck. If you reconsider we will be here.CVModerator
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Posted: 20-Oct-2012 at 08:17 |
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
Originally posted by Boma
Originally posted by Nick1986
Originally posted by Mountain Man
In fact, Africans were not "savages" -their
civilizations were quite sophisticated in many ways, but they peaked
before the arrival of Europeans and presented a picture of simple
people, but the ruins all over Africa say otherwise.
The Great
Fortress of Zimbabwe was built long before European savages even thought
about building fortresses out of solid stone, and reveals a degree of
sophistication not seen again until until the great stone fortresses of
Europe and the Crusades.
Irrigation systems in desert lands were highly sophisticated and still exist - and function - to this day.
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Take the ancient Egyptians, for example. They built magnificent pyramids, temples and cities while Europeans still lived in mud huts and wore animal skins
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Uhm !! Ancient Egyptians ? The Ancient Egyptians became cannibals after their destruction by the ARABS. The few that survived are mostly in Nigeria today with no knowledge of their origin. What happened ? They lost every thing including the civilization their forefathers started and became savages .
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Sources on that? |
This is a source dealing with mythology and spiritual practices and beliefs of the Ijo. And while interesting in and of itself. Not credible enough to sustain the statement I id' above. Where are your academic sources based on Egyptology, Semitic Archaeology, Anthropology, Philology and Etymology? Who are your subject matter experts that can substantiate your statement? What noted historian subscribes to that generic identification of Ancient Egyptian survivors as cannibals versus the more commonly recognized view of cultural assimilation? Without these to analyze.....your's appears only to be subjective revisonism. |
This is one hidden fact out there the entire world is deprived of and it is being dogged out. Soon interest groups would go in to that proper and get all the anthropology, Etymology and things for the entire world to know. Thank God for the internet and different Fora where issues are discussed and most of all Thank God for All empires Forum where hidden facts are being revealed for people to know. You are also free to make your own research on the matter.
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Posted: 20-Oct-2012 at 08:22 |
Originally posted by Boma
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
Originally posted by Centrix Vigilis
Originally posted by Boma
Originally posted by Nick1986
Originally posted by Mountain Man
In fact, Africans were not "savages" -their
civilizations were quite sophisticated in many ways, but they peaked
before the arrival of Europeans and presented a picture of simple
people, but the ruins all over Africa say otherwise.
The Great
Fortress of Zimbabwe was built long before European savages even thought
about building fortresses out of solid stone, and reveals a degree of
sophistication not seen again until until the great stone fortresses of
Europe and the Crusades.
Irrigation systems in desert lands were highly sophisticated and still exist - and function - to this day.
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Take the ancient Egyptians, for example. They built magnificent pyramids, temples and cities while Europeans still lived in mud huts and wore animal skins
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Uhm !! Ancient Egyptians ? The Ancient Egyptians became cannibals after their destruction by the ARABS. The few that survived are mostly in Nigeria today with no knowledge of their origin. What happened ? They lost every thing including the civilization their forefathers started and became savages .
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Sources on that? |
This is a source dealing with mythology and spiritual practices and beliefs of the Ijo. And while interesting in and of itself. Not credible enough to sustain the statement I id' above. Where are your academic sources based on Egyptology, Semitic Archaeology, Anthropology, Philology and Etymology? Who are your subject matter experts that can substantiate your statement? What noted historian subscribes to that generic identification of Ancient Egyptian survivors as cannibals versus the more commonly recognized view of cultural assimilation? Without these to analyze.....your's appears only to be subjective revisonism. |
This is one hidden fact out there the entire world is deprived of and it is being dogged out. Soon interest groups would go in to that proper and get all the anthropology, Etymology and things for the entire world to know. Thank God for the internet and different Fora where issues are discussed and most of all Thank God for All empires Forum where hidden facts are being revealed for people to know. You are also free to make your own research on the matter.
| Is it not interesting that the world is eager to know about the ancient Civilization of Egypt and the mummies but are not really interested in know where possible remnants of the Egyptians would be ? If this was deep in Europe or else where out side black people's environment like the Indians of AMERIA and things, traces of the people would have been found by now. . Invaders coming from the North of Egypt and the WEST of it would only make people flee down South and where there are no natural barriers people would have easy access to the thick AFRICAN forest to mingle with other Natives. That was what happened. WHILE, The rest of them were wiped out.
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Posted: 20-Oct-2012 at 09:04 |
I think some folks need to step back, take a few deep breaths, and do some basic reading. Absurdity is running wild here.
If I come back to this thread and it hasn't calmed down and I still see racist overtones I will shut it down permanently.
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Posted: 20-Oct-2012 at 12:41 |
Originally posted by red clay
I think some folks need to step back, take a few deep breaths, and do some basic reading. Absurdity is running wild here.
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Hear Hear! I quite agree and think shutting this thread would be a great choice. It has not contributed in a way that would allow anyone from the outside to glean much of factual information. As per the *racist* overtones, don't go looking in my direction, my roots are in Motherland Nigeria...and no, am not a descendant of Egyptian cannibals.
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Posted: 20-Oct-2012 at 13:37 |
Racist is racist, it goes in any direction.
After a discussion with the Mod. staff this thread is closed.
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