USSR or USA?Which one do you favor most?

Well, the US and the USSR both had their great sides, and they both had their bad sides. The tiebreaker, as i saw someone else write in an earlier post, would be culture. Hotdogs and Hamburgers and 200-year old history just doesnt do it for me. And sure, I dont like the fact that the USSR was Athiest, but America isnt too far from being Athiest these days, either, its just that its not enforced here, lol. So just based on the cultural aspect i choose CCCP.

Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival The tiebreaker, as i saw someone else write in an earlier post, would be culture. Hotdogs and Hamburgers and 200-year old history just doesnt do it for me. .

A common misconception.  The US has only a 280 year old history as an united nation but then some countries - such as Germany have a shorter history as an united entity as well.   The history of the region that was to become the US is actually quite old.

Originally posted by Jagatai Khan My vote goes for USSR,because the USA only made wealty men rich,while Soviets helped poor people.

Yeah, Soviet only killed off some 30-odd million innocent people, force-relocated several millions other - ethnically cleansed, one would say today - but in the US there are rich people, so let's vote on Soviet anyway. Jolly good argument, there...

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Originally posted by Gallipoli Originally posted by Styrbiorn Originally posted by Jagatai Khan My vote goes for USSR,because the USA only made wealty men rich,while Soviets helped poor people. Yeah, Soviet only killed off some 30-odd million innocent people, force-relocated several millions other - ethnically cleansed, one would say today - but in the US there are rich people, so let's vote on Soviet anyway. Jolly good argument, there... No Stalin killed 30 Million people, not the Soviets...

Yeah, and Hitler killed 50 million, not the Nazis...

Only the leader is responsible, those following and supporting him are completely free of any responsibility, eh? Interesting world view.

 

We do need a rolls eyes smiley.

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Stybiorn that is not the case,I meant "Stalin killed all those people, not the Russians." It is like saying "Nazis made the holocaust, not the Germans"

Ok here is the deal:

1.I hate Stalin

2.I only like Khruschev and his policies

3.Stalin and SOME Soviets killed 20 Million people, not ALL Soviet or Russian people

4.I had a swedish girlfriend once named Ylvali

Styrbiorn,Gallipoli is right;those people were killed by Stalin.As you see he was a maniac.Already,other rulers after him criticized his policies and him.

Kalevipoeg,I wanted to say that USSR struggled to equalize people a bit.But in capitalist countries,you can not see a study like that.

Originally posted by Jagatai Khan Styrbiorn,Gallipoli is right;those people were killed by Stalin.As you see he was a maniac.Already,other rulers after him criticized his policies and him.

Yes, so because he was a maniac all those who obeyed him were totally innocent. Right.... Hitler was also a maniac, do you think all those Nazis who supported him are innocent lambs?

Bah, voting on USSR is not much better than voting for Nazi Germany. Maybe you should try to speak a little with people who actually were affected by them, some Balts, Poles or Hungarians mayhap?

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Hi.

I was visiting this forum many times reading opinions of various people but now I think it's high time for me to register because finally I've lost my patience.

To all funs of USRR I would like to write one thing: Mosquito made a mistake because although a country called "USSR" really doesn't exist, its influences are still clearly seen in the Eastern Europe, especially in Belarus which is based on the same ideas as USSR.  So everything is possible! Your dreams can come true! Why not move there? As Mosquito said, it's great chance for you to spend the rest of you live living in your paradise.  But if you don't like a Belarusan climate or you have another prejudice against this country, there is still wide choice: Russia, Poland, Kazakhstan, Kyrgystan, Mongolia, Romania, Hungary, Serbia and Montenegro - all these countries are poor enough to satisfy people who thanks to the capitalism are so rich that they want to be poorer. But if you prefer warmer climate - it's possible also to choose some exotic countries - Cuba or North Korea.  You would be able to praise your favourite rulers as long as you want and see other people being as happy as you.

Frankly, it's for me incredible that almost 24% of people voted for USSR. But it is clear evidence that USSR still exists. It exists in brains of people, cultural, well educated people of the West.

Please, read some books about USSR written by people who lived there and who knew the real face of that system. Discovery Channel and site www.soviet-empire.com do not show the truth. Try to read some books of Solzhenitsyn ( "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich", "The Gulag Archipelago" ) or Polish writer Gustaw Herling- Grudzinski ("Another World") and try to reflect on the fate of people who weren't as lucky as you and didn't have the possibility of moving abroad.

Soviet regime was a twin of the Third Reich. Both killed a lot of human beings and both was created on the base of ideas according to which system is more important than man. In opposite to USA, there were no freedom for anyone.

Frankly, it's for me incredible that almost 24% of people voted for USSR. But it is clear evidence that USSR still exists. It exists in brains of people, cultural, well educated people of the West.

 

Making it a figment of the imagination?!?!

 

I have traveled the western USSR extensively in both pre and post communist fall and I find it interesting to see the dichotomy.  In the late 1970's it was still fearful to complain overly much, so Russians (as the dominant group) have developed a wonderful sense of humor to "obliquely" complain.  One phrase being "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work".  I think it encapsulates the USSR and its oppressiveness quite well.  As an immigrant to the US from Europe, I have found the US to offer many more opportunities (with more chances to fail) than Europe offered.  Especially today.