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    Posted: 17-Jul-2012 at 19:37
Egyptian priests were very intelligent, learned men who had to align the pyramid exactly to the west so the pharaoh's spirit could be reborn. This would have been achieved using a compass (something as simple as a piece of magnetic iron dangled from a string), their extensive knowledge of astronomy, and meticulous planning in relation to existing structures
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Originally posted by Nick1986

Egyptian priests were very intelligent, learned men who had to align the pyramid exactly to the west so the pharaoh's spirit could be reborn. This would have been achieved using a compass (something as simple as a piece of magnetic iron dangled from a string), their extensive knowledge of astronomy, and meticulous planning in relation to existing structures
 
 
Along those lines what credible....scientifically reviewed evidence.... less the debate reference Archaeologists and Selected Geologists....on age for these and the Sphinx.. is there to show ET did it.
 
von Daniken's; the convicted thief.. embezzler..fraud and forger.. versions ain't cutting it. Don't even get me started on his total lack of academic credentials. Or the fact them idiots at the HC continue to let him perp his revelations even recently.
 
 
''That writing as careless as von Däniken's, whose principal thesis is that our ancestors were dummies, should be so popular is a sober commentary on the credulousness and despair of our times. But the idea that beings from elsewhere will save us from ourselves is a very dangerous doctrine - akin to that of the quack doctor whose ministrations prevent the patient from seeing a physician competent to help him and perhaps to cure his disease.''
 
 
Carl Sagan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Originally posted by Nick1986

Egyptian priests were very intelligent, learned men who had to align the pyramid exactly to the west so the pharaoh's spirit could be reborn. This would have been achieved using a compass (something as simple as a piece of magnetic iron dangled from a string), their extensive knowledge of astronomy, and meticulous planning in relation to existing structures


Have you got any references to the uses of magnet? It would be interesting to see as to how they can build (well... make others build) a huge construction so precisely, these obviously needs equipment.



What do you think of this? The person (don't know who he is, didn't bother to look him up, but his reasons seems reasonable) in the video who observes certain aspects of the pyramid, it's actually quite advanced, if not, the construction is quite well done, and he doesn't seems biased in anyway. He sometimes also compare certain aspects to modern techniques.



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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-Jul-2012 at 23:14
Believe it's Chris Dunn but don't quote me. If it is him, he has some provocative theories on machine tools and technologies that definitely do not fit the mold of harden copper traditionally viewed by the mainstream. He's also well know on the paranormal-pseudoscience lecture circuit and book sales gambits.....which while not denying the effort or the enthusiasm of the subject material; is where most of these guys end up making their living.
 
 
 
To his credit Dunn has the background as a master toolmaker and in developing laser tech for advanced parts productions (and weapons for all I know). So he gets a nod for the education and life skills to at least look at his theorems developments and possibilities.
 
 
His primary detraction is that while he is convinced that superior tool making and usage skills were in operation in the ancient age.....he does not explain how such precision in building etc... was accomplished very well if at all (that's up to his reader-viewer).  Same same as to the creative design, the resources and the tech behind the actual creation of the tools. Nor does he offer an explanation as to what caused the loss of the tech in any real definitive manner...other then speculation. Consequently that then draws the Red flag of established traditional academia. 
 
 
Ntl...he is much more entertaining if not credibile, imo, then most.


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He have a decent conclusion at the end of the video, what do you think of it? He clearly demonstrated that the original theory of the pyramid of Giza is inaccurate, and that advanced technology is required to accomplished what have been accomplished at the pyramid of Giza.

Although there are certain accomplishment of the pyramids that in modern times, might be even a bit complicated to accomplish, he did not say that the ancients must be using technology from aliens or so such. In fact, if you listen to him talk, he is very very unbiased, and his only purpose is to study the engineering, and how it could be accomplished. It's interesting to see at certain parts, it looks as if he did not believe in what he was seeing.


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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 01:02
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He have a decent conclusion at the end of the video, what do you think of it? He clearly demonstrated that the original theory of the pyramid of Giza is inaccurate, and that advanced technology is required to accomplished what have been accomplished at the pyramid of Giza.

Although there are certain accomplishment of the pyramids that in modern times, might be even a bit complicated to accomplish, he did not say that the ancients must be using technology from aliens or so such. In fact, if you listen to him talk, he is very very unbiased, and his only purpose is to study the engineering, and how it could be accomplished. It's interesting to see at certain parts, it looks as if he did not believe in what he was seeing.


 
His conclusion remains provocative for the reasons I gave above. Whether he's disproved mainstream is still not accepted by mainstream...hence his conundrum. As noted; without an explanation as to the hows and whats of precision tooling and tech and production and origination of the same. Given the current available evidence...he's viewed as an interesting observer of speculation and an advancement of a theorem with little proofs other then his own speculations-opinions. No more. As for bias...yes I agree he is relatively free of it...which as I also noted gives his credentials more credibility then most.
 
 
 
But as for whether it's accepted carte blanch, in part or not at all, remains an individual decision.
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He have successfully shown that the Egyptians need much more advanced technology and engineering to build the pyramid of Giza, some even a bit unexplainable by modern technology, even to the extent that the entire pyramid could only be envisioned to be constructed with modern technologies, but not surpassing the original.

Unfortunately, there is no archaeological evidence of extensive technological tools, therefor we cannot assume that it was purely the Egyptians who built it. If the Egyptians are to build the pyramid by themselves, then where are the remains of high-tech tools or machinery? As without those, it would be impossible to build the pyramid of Giza.

Other speculations could include:

Queries were discovered miles away, the heavy stones were not built on site, so why would they decide to build the pyramid further away from the Queries, exactly at the center of Earth's land mass. Surely, they can't be purposely making this work harder for themselves?

 
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Your first point again...because this is beginning to become a circular debate is ntl still based on the rejection that ''Whether he's disproved mainstream is still not accepted by mainstream...hence his conundrum.''
 
You believe in the validity of his argument (quite alright) not so mainstream. Hence whose expertise and credibility until further proofs, if possible come to light, will be accepted? Yours? Is your field of expertise in ancient techs of architecture, engineering and design?  Classical Egyptology? To include the expertise of the language?  Are you an expert in the method, using the methods, of interdisciplinary research and studies? Have you offered academically recognised new ancient tech data as a furtherment to the theorem of techs and tools (which have yet to be found)? Where if they existed are the records of the same. The ancient Egyptians were fanatics for such to include day to day minutiae.
 
Have you been peer reviewed by fellow subject matter experts?
 
Now understand I remain delighted with your intrepid defense.Big smile And those questions were not a rejection of your interest or an attack on your actual credentials and or intellectual acumen. Substitute you for Dunn.
 
And You ntl see the problem.
 
Dunn and others have yet to offer the aforementioned. His theory is that ancient tech was better then realized....quite possibly it twas. That is a presumption however yet to be tangible proven through the definitions required by the mainstream. And whether you approve of them or not...they remain the standard.
 
And until that's accomplished, in the eyes of mainstream Archaeology and classical Egyptology, he's merely a lecture circuit and book circuit amateur, in their eyes, with interesting possibilities.
 
 
The critical point remaining is that not all are ignoring him. But you can bet my ass, as a former member of University Higher Academia and a certified Military Historian/Instructor, in uniform and out, not to mention aficionado and practitioner of the method; that until he satisfies their standards he's not winning.
 
 
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  Quote AlphaS520 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 03:20
Uhh, here we go again, "have his work gotten peer review".
You don't need peer review to see that there is no evidence to suggest that the in fact, the Egyptians built the pyramids, and the idea of ancient aliens is starting to be mainstream. The fact remains, no archaeological evidence remains to tell you that the Egyptians were able to build it themselves, in fact, only evidence of primitive tools remains, which suggest that the Egyptians were just "simple" builders of something even greater.

The original theory is flawed, most historians knows of this.
The extremely heavy stones (one of the heaviest around the world, the stones was not built on site, but was transported), the precision with the stones (some even said to be similar to the works of laser cuttings), and the engineering of it, which in the video, he gave a conclusion in the engineering of the pyramids.



http://reinep.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/egyptian-archaeologist-admits-that-pyramids-contain-ufo-technology/

You can look it up even more. You're too into the idea that all these are unconfirmed, these don't need to be confirmed, seems like an insult to their works don't you think?


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There's one theory which I would want people who's interested to know.
People who've been in the pyramids of Giza before, when they decided to light a lighter as light source, it did not work, this could be understand a bit more through the previous video I have posted. To understand this further, there are archaeological evidence of the Baghdad battery. 

What are the opinions on The Moai of Easter Island?
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 03:34
As I noted you can reject the method, which includes peer review and the standards accepted, but like Dunn; you too will be rejected by mainstream......and find yourself with no recognised credibility.
 
So keep up the good workLOL...spread your's and his version-revision of the Egyptian Pyramid construction gospel....nothing wrong with that.... but get used to being ignored. Because the proof is not there. And you will soon learn... revisionist history isn't worth the bucket to crap it in... without proof. 
 
 
 
Or as the man said once to the young Indiana Jones: ''You lost today kid, but it doesn't mean you have to like it".
 
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I just gave you evidence of an alien in a artwork within the confinement of the pyramids...
I suppose I'll give you more evidence?
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  Quote AlphaS520 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 03:45
The Moai of Easter Island
How exactly do you expect these much more primitive people (more primitive then the Egyptians) are able to build such huge statues? With decent precision in the shape of the huge rocks? The more intelligent thing to do, is to speculate. The civilization located within or around the area of the marvel, does not contain any archaeological evidence of tools that enable them to build it.
Have they really build it? There are no evidence at all? There are no evidence of human beings building it, except for the fact that the humans live around that area?  LOL

Have you heard of the mirror writings of Leonardo Da Vinci's work? With that, certain productive people have shown that with each mirror to Leonardo's paintings, it shows another completely different thing.

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/slideshows/Leonardo-mirror.html

On this website, go through each slides. It shows that several paintings of Leonardo's, when mirrored, shows a being, which is not human.
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Am I suppose to believe that this was something else? And why is a person included, staring at it? If it was fiction, why this? Wouldn't it be angels and Gods instead of a disc? Now why on earth would I believe that the disc in the painting (the depictions of modern UFO) is just a decoration?
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 12:18
It doesn't take a genius to know that a piece of magnetised iron points north when dangled from a string. These lodestones can be found naturally throughout the mediterranean and were known to the ancient Greeks
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 12:30
Originally posted by AlphaS 520

I just gave you evidence of an alien in a artwork within the confinement of the pyramids...
I suppose I'll give you more evidence?
 
 
Already rejected by mainstream as a representation of a plant in a vase in the tomb. Which incidentally other examples of the same plant were found as well; in differing hieroglyphical representations.
Your wishing it to be an ET does not make it so. And the further use of a poorly developed photo when others were available with better resolutions coupled with the lack or admission of object identification of the other examples is referred to as obfuscation in support of a predetermined hypothesis. Clearly not an objective use of the method.
 
Similar symbols reference helicopters, submarines, jet planes, saucers etc.etc. have been demonstrated to be examples of palimpsests.
 
 
Your latest has also been rejected by well known SMEs in classical and religious art and theology. So again your wishing it to be Et...remains in variance with the experts who have made a living out of studying and interpreting historical iconic representations and especially religious ones. And who have better credentials then Dunn or others.
 
 
 
Nope don't wash..then or now. But keep the faith.LOL


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You only debunked one of the pictures, what about the others?

I checked both websites, and it didn't give any explanation to the flying object, can you explain this further?
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  Quote AlphaS520 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 14:05
Might I just add, why is your first website showing a collection of paintings with angels ion the sky? This is unrelated to the topic. 
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Both sites clearly gave explanations. The first in dealing with explanations of arts whom others claim to have reps of ufos inclusive....which you referenced first. The other deals with the tomb and the explanation's derived by mainstream versus your poor ET picture. And failure to id other examples or report them.
That you can not 'see' it... is because you are fast approaching fanaticism in your rejection of counter argumentation... your unwillingness to accept the standard academic viewpoint without offering reliable counters as judged by the standard further exemplifies this. Again you don't have to like it but it is remains the standard. And you should probably begin to understand this by examining the scientific approach and techs of people like Stan Friedman and others whose credibility far outweighs Dunn.
 
This un-academically sound obstinance now begins to mark you as a poor researcher, analyst and objective observer of the method and interdisciplinary examination; insofar as this subject matter is concerned. Especially in the eyes of those who are academically sound. I tell you this not to attack or to injure but to persuade you to be less rigid.
 
 
This rejection in clinical terms is referred to as denial syndrome. In historical analytic terms it is referred to as I indicated above: obfuscation in support of a predetermined hypothesis not subject to verification or review. That's not history or science or a proper examination of a theorem not even in a revisionist capacity.
 
 
But given time and experience and continuing education you can overcome this.
 
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  Quote AlphaS520 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Jul-2012 at 14:39
Did you realize this was your first post directed at me with serious perspectives and several references. I don't understand why didn't you started this a while ago? You could've just stated what you state now last night, with your several more serious references.

I'll go look into it.

And I have a question, I don't understand why you make up false accusations, as clearly you did not gave substantial sources a while back, now that you did, you accompany it with personal insults and false accusations.

I sweat people on allempires.com are too serious and gets angry too seriously -.-
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