When did Kurds and Persians first names use ?

El commandante over there seems to be a troll. Other than that, some good posts in this thread.

Edited by Azadi - 04-Dec-2012 at 20:55

Originally posted by Ince Those two posts are full of such nonsense that I do not even wish to reply to such fairy tail nonsense from some Kurds. Please stop it.

 

>Prophet Abraham(Patriarch Abraham was born south eastern Kurdistan and lievd like his family,uncles in middle of Kurdistan,he was probaly kurdish as well when you look describtion of Abraham,Moses and Mohammed (S.A.S) they had same skin colour ,hair shape like us Kurds not black not white or not yellow ,little bid Goldy colour vavy hairs etc.
 but most ipmortant where they lived and their family lived .prophet noah was born in Kurdistan and his Ark also stopped in Kurdistan on Mt.Ararat or Cudi .
 so we know Kurds were before persian or any other people here on the earth,and dont forget for centuries was forbidden a language and culture how can survive till now?if not that old and strong!r ojbas

i cannot agree some friends comment who wrote racist feelings,they do steal like their governments outr Kurds history and legend but one thing,we will not let it happen.
now lets go:our Persians brothers,were gypsy tribes around Asia minor,they came to iran to live,its about 3000 thousands years ago,they did achemenids with Kurds and sassanids with Kurds also last after Kurdish Media empire(which strength from black sea to indian ocean) they  made a big emparor;The Kurdish calendar starts at 612 BC. The Median kingdom and the founding of its capital city at Ecbatana (modern Hamadan) was probably not before 625 BC that Cyaxares succeeded in uniting the many Median tribes into a single kingdom. In 614 BC, he captured Ashur, and in 612, in an alliance with Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, his forces stormed Nineveh, putting an end to the Assyrian Empire.
 Perians(50% persians,20%Kurds,15% slaves and 15%others) against to Alexander great.
  Kurds had history past about 8000 BC so 10 000 years ago,From Hurrias till Zelanids(Kurdish Dynasty who reached until eastern Africa to Zanzibar(Kurdsih ,Zengibar=black coast),one of the first emperial people were also Kurds.
 and Hitites in central Anatolia were probably Kurds(from language most close to Kurdish) who did first agreement Kadesh 13.BC in Acad language which was semitic.
 Carducies ,still some Greek islands name Carduk,or kardak.
 some people write that Kurds not southern maybe caucasian,dont forget this Kurds have not only one peaople(Kurdmanj,Zaza,Soran,Goran,Lur,Gur)and dont forget now in Trukish30%percent words are Kurdish origin which they call persian or old turkish.its naturally possible language get effects from neighbourhoods,like every language had this no language is pure.

My ethnicity is Kurdish, but I was born and raised in the USSR. When I was a teenager my parents moved to Europe (not Germany, nor UK). I’m living in Europe for 2 decades (longer than in the USSR) , but at home we communicated most often in Russian and occasionally in Kurdish.

 

I can speak and write Russian, though not on academic level. But I can read and understand everything. And my Russian is much, much better than my English.

 

I’m ready to translate some words, sentences or even passages for you. But due lack of spare time I’m not able to translate complete papers or pages from books.

 

My knowledge of Deutsch is just at the high school level. I can’t speak German, but I can read it and I do understand newspapers in that language.

Have you tried the Google translate engine (German-English)? It’s not perfect, but it can help.

Edited by MediaWarLord - 22-Dec-2010 at 21:58

MediaWarLord, you have alreafy admitted that you can both read as well as able to translate, certain portions of the
Fomenko works!

So? How about it? Can you reallly translate the "Russian words", found in the works of "Fomenko?"

If you are really able, then, perhaps?, you might well help me?

Edited by opuslola - 22-Dec-2010 at 18:29

Originally posted by Xorto @Ince and Medianwarlord Iam sorry that I attacked you a bit personally I was on my bad day :D In fact Ince there are Caucasian traditions among Kurds were I am from Example they play Laz-Pontus type Kemence and Dance to it.

No problem,  I did not even see it as an attack.

Their might be some similarties to do been neighbours and cultural exchange.  But in whole still not much similarties.

Regarding the term Kurd and possible Sycthian origin? just a thought.  Could be related to the Scythian word Skudra? .  The Corduene, who were believe to have been Sycthians and were known under these names Corduene, Cordyene, Cardyene, Carduene, Gordyene, Gordyaea, Korduene, Korchayk, Gordian

In Darius inscriptions, their is a mention of the Kudraha, some say it refers to the Kurds and sounds similar to Skudra.



Edited by Ince - 10-Dec-2010 at 22:35

Originally posted by Xorto @ Ince with his  comparings again.  Let me ask you something. Are you denying the impact of Caucasian tribes like Hurrians on Kurds you ultra Aryanist? And why are you only showing kurdish clothes which look close to Indoeuropean ones but not the one which actually look similar to Caucasian ones?   Here a comparing from me for you. Irish "Indoeuropean Folkdance" and Caucasian Lezginka  Did I now proved you that Irish People are actually Caucasian?

My point is simply is Kurds have nothing really in common with Caucasian people.  Do they have Hurrian ancestory, yes.  But is as dominant as the Indo-European one No.  Izady was claiming the Hurrian part was more dominant.  Also please show me where Kurdish clothes resemble Caucasians?, and not Armenians, they are Indo-Europeans.  Please also not a small pocket of kurds who only range in the few thousand and could possibly be Kurdified Caucasians.   I showed those images of Kurds, because that was what I found on search and they are the most widely worn Kurdish clothes.

Irish dance might be a litle similar but no way the same and they don't even wear the same clothes .  Please don't even compare.  The closest people to georgian culture is Azerbaijan.

No I am not a Ultra-Aryanist.  I just do not see Kurds having anything in common with caucasians, but they do with Eastern Europeans.

Azeri dance

Similar dance and near identical clothes.  Azeris were Caucasians before the Turkification.




Edited by Ince - 07-Dec-2010 at 07:04

@ Ince with his  comparings again.  Let me ask you something. Are you denying the impact of Caucasian tribes like Hurrians on Kurds you ultra Aryanist? And why are you only showing kurdish clothes which look close to Indoeuropean ones but not the one which actually look similar to Caucasian ones?  

Here a comparing from me for you.

Irish "Indoeuropean Folkdance" and Caucasian Lezginka 

Did I now proved you that Irish People are actually Caucasian?