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    Posted: 30-Mar-2011 at 19:45
A definite link on this good stuff?
 
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2011 at 19:40
Originally posted by Pytheus

I read a book many years ago that listed every single recorded gunfight in Wild West history. Almost all of them were done with shotguns and rifles, the shooter was usually within 3ft of his victim, the victim unarmed and half the time in the back.
 
This report pretty much says the same as the book,
 
 
Gun Fights in the Violent Wild West

The Insanity:

A gloriously mustached man sits at a card game in an old saloon, surrounded by cowboys and surprisingly fresh-faced prostitutes. He looks up, and notices that the player opposite him is hiding an extra card up his sleeve. He calls him on it, the word yellow is pronounced as 'yeller,' and pretty soon they're facing off in the city square. There's a long moment before the cheater moves for his hip holster, but he's not fast enough. Quick as lightning, the gambler draws his revolver and shoots the cheat dead between the eyes.

The cowboys and prostitutes go back to their drinks, well-accustomed to this sort of random violence, as the man nonchalantly twirls his pistol and says: "Guess he couldn't read my poker face."


A typical western saloon, moments before everyone in the room shot each other.

A hundred years of Westerns have taught us that this is how you lived and died in the Wild West. The quicker draw lived to gun-fight another day. It was essentially a roving single elimination rock, paper, scissors tournament that didn't end until you were dead.

But in Reality...

How many murders do you suppose these old western towns saw a year? Let's say the bloodiest, gun-slingingest of the famous cattle towns with the cowboys doing quick-draws at high noon every other day. A hundred? More?

How about five? That was the most murders any old-west town saw in any one year. Ever. Most towns averaged about 1.5 murders a year, and not all of those were shooting. You were way more likely to be murdered in Baltimore in 2008 than you were in Tombstone in 1881, the year of the famous gunfight at the OK Corral (body count: three) and the town's most violent year ever.

As for the traditional Western gunfight as depicted in movies, the inaccuracy of handguns at the time would have made quick-drawing skill irrelevant: It was simply so unlikely you'd hit a guy on the first, second or third shot that it didn't really matter which guy got out his gun first. The closest history got to high-noon show downs was dueling, where people just stood across from one another with their guns out, aimed and fired until someone got lucky, and someone else was dead. Forget about "fanning," rapidly cocking a single-action revolver between rounds like Clint Eastwood does in A Fistful of Dollars. You'd be lucky to hit a henchman if the duel took place in a closet.

Why Do We Believe It?

Because famous gunfighters like Billy the Kid wanted you to believe it. If you've seen Young Guns on cable, you probably know the guy was gunning somebody down every ten minutes!


"... then I was all like 'pow' 'pow' and all the minotaurs exploded!"

Well according to sources who aren't Billy The Kid, his lifetime kill count was four. Criminals inflated their murder stats for the same reason guys today inflate their sexual experience: It made them look cool. Towns like Deadwood talked up their violent, lawless natures in order to attract adventurous settlers. Books were written about them and movies were made as soon as cameras were invented, and nobody who'd been out west was rushing to correct the misconceptions because, why the hell would they. A century and a half later, we still love that lie.

We believe it because shooting a nameless bad guy in the heart is infinitely more satisfying than filing a complaint with the cops or writing a strongly worded letter to the editor. No checks and balances, no second guessing. Just you and a gun.

Pardon us, we have a certain Bon Jovi song we need to play right now.



I think i know which one:

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  Quote unclefred Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2011 at 21:25
^Complete crap. Whatever his unnamed  book was , it was full of crap. Of course, Cracked is a journalistic gem. San Francisco alone probably had more murders in one day than his fictitious yearly five.
As far as Billy the kid, he killed two guys while breaking out of jail, on one day alone. Several before and after. What a smelly load that post is.
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2011 at 22:03

As a side note, some (or many) of the western gunfighters got their start serving in irregular units during the civil war.  The most famous is Jesse James  (Confederate Bushwacker).   Wild Bill Hitchcock and I believe Sam Bass served in various Jay Hawker units (Union).  



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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2011 at 23:22
Served as a teamster later wagonmaster. Union Army, District of Mo. 61-62.
As a Union spy. District of Mo. 62-63.
As an assistant to the Provost Marshal SW Mo. District; as a member of the Springfield Mo. PD. 63-64.
Scout For General John B. Sanbourn, SW Mo. District 64-65.
He also and at various points scouted for the 7th and 10th US Cavalry from 67-70.
 
Bill was indeed a wild one.Wink
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  Quote unclefred Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Nov-2011 at 12:06
One of the most famous fights of the old west involved the hot tempered Marshall, Dallas Stoudenmire.
The battle called, "Four dead in five seconds", erupted on April 14th 1881 in El Paso. Stoudenmire had been Marshall for just 3 days. Ex Marshall George Campbell was drinking in the notorious Keating's Saloon and began arguing with Constable Gus Krempkau. John Hale, a friend of Campbell pulled a gun and shot the Constable. Drunk, Hale ran outside and hid behind a post just as Stoudenmire came in brandishing two pistols. He took a shot at Hale, but missed, striking a bystander. When Hale swung out from behind the post, the Marshall shot him between the eyes. That's when Campbell ran out waving a pistol saying "Gentlemen, this is not my fight"! The wounded Constable, on the floor, shot him in the foot, and the arm. Stoudenmire also fired three quick shots into his stomach. As he fell, Campbell yelled, "You sob, you have murdered me"! The wounded Constable inside the saloon then died. Four dead in five seconds.
 
the gunfight was a big story in the papers of the day, making Stoudenmire a brief legend. He killed seven more men over the next year, as he enforced the law with his pistols. He himself was shot and killed in 1882. But that's another story.
 


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  Quote tjadams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2011 at 16:13

Fort Worth, Texas readily embraces its long history with the wild west and cattle.  In the remains of of their former stock yards, they put on a fun little gun fight for the children and tourist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8_SHoj2CSo




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