Iranian Diversity

According to Greek historians. There were a couple million Persians at Thermapylae that is more than all the population of Greece at the time if not all Europe. With that logic all of Europe is Persian.

In reality war by themselves did not change the demographics by much. If that was not the case most of Eastern Europe would have looked Mongolian by now

russian have higher  R1a y hg then iranian . the r1a is old iranian y hg that means a lot we have a kind of brotherhood att that area

Edited by kalhur - 27-Apr-2010 at 12:08

Originally posted by Molokane Originally posted by Miller According to Greek historians. There were a couple million Persians at Thermapylae that is more than all the population of Greece at the time if not all Europe. With that logic all of Europe is Persian. In reality war by themselves did not change the demographics by much. If that was not the case most of Eastern Europe would have looked Mongolian by now That's very interesting. Who and how many historians claimed this event? And when did this happen exactly? If we can obtain the year of the battle (I assume it's a battle) we can source the approximate number of Europeans at the time and free lance theory from there.

480 BC

Per Herdotous the size of Persian force was about 2.5 mil with another 2.5 mil doing the support work


Edited by Miller - 27-Apr-2010 at 22:22

Originally posted by kalhur russian have higher  R1a y hg then iranian . the r1a is old iranian y hg that means a lot we have a kind of brotherhood att that area in Europe, R1a, again almost entirely in the R1a1a sub-clade, is found at highest levels among peoples of Eastern European descent (Sorbs, Poles, Russians and Ukrainians; 50 to 65%).[13][14][15] In the Baltic countries R1a frequencies decrease from Lithuania (45%) to Estonia (around 30%).[16] Levels in Hungarians have been noted between 20 and 60% [17]

Well, Kal, it was like, you try my wine, I try yours. You ride my horse, I ride yours.

Edited by Shield-of-Dardania - 28-Apr-2010 at 03:22

I know the Molokans and the Doukhobors have kept their own tribes, but they are now an endangered minority in Azerbaijan and also having traveled to Canada, California, and Mexico.

Originally posted by Shield-of-Dardania Originally posted by Miller home forces won? Well they lost at Thermopylae, the Persian forces of Khashayar Shah (Xerxes) simply overwhelmed them. All the more reason for them to inflate the enemy strength even more.   But they won later, at the Battle of Plateae, where they somehow managed to hoodwink General Marduniya (Mardonius) into thinking they had lost and retreated. In his perhaps clouded exuberance, Marduniya gave chase alone, and they turned back and killed him.   There is also speculation that Alexander I (ancestor of Philip), then king of Macedonia and supposedly a loyal vassal of Persia (his sister was married to Khashayar Shah) may have turned traitor and betrayed his Persian overlords.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri I know the Molokans and the Doukhobors have kept their own tribes, but they are now an endangered minority in Azerbaijan and also having traveled to Canada, California, and Mexico. The story of Russian Molokan immigrants who built school and church in a village in the northeast of Iran has been always interesting for me: http://www.molokane.org/molokan/Locations/Iran/Kubrock.htm

Is there a word for Molokan in Farsi, Cyrus?

In the above case, as with so many more cases, I can only concurr! It seems that the ability of any nation to be able to move forces much above 100,000 only existed in the 17th century CE, or later!

And, if we consider the words concerning the number of forces employed during warfare, from our "ancient sources" as "incorrect", then just why should we consider anything else they reportedly "reported!", as having any thing to do with "fact" or "truth?"


Just some musings!

Originally posted by kalhur  i have  read about them , very fascinating people with strong belief which had suffered a lot from mainstream  ortodox church .  anyway accused for drinking milk instead av vodka which is a unforgivable heracy in russia!!! it is unbelivable how people can be so harsh on their own brothers only for a little difference in belif!! what is so different between  molokanes and ortodox  church? maybe molokan can answer to this question?

Well, I am a Molokan through my mother's side who is also Turkish and Iranian. Her mother and her father are cousins (disgusting I know) limiting my family tree. My two great grandfathers were brothers from Azerbaijan from Slavesdan, Azerbaijan that interrmarried with the Azeri Turks adopting their culture and language. They then immigrated to Urmia and Tabriz having settled in Abadan and Jahrome where my grandparents were born. My great grandmother had red hair and blue eyes and she was extremely tall. Though this is what they think. I wish it was confirmed 100% though, because I don't like semi-confident claims.

But to answer your question, the difference between them is their way of living. They were highly criticized for their fasting and diet supplements of dairy products. They're basically like Amish people.