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    Posted: 28-Apr-2010 at 19:39
As usual, when ever it comes to putting down near relatives, these haters ignore every thing else!

It is all "hate, hate", or "envy, envy", etc.!

No wonder the USA is the next to fall into this maelstrom of stupidity!

Look out "stone age", we are coming back!


Little regards,

Hey! Do any of you know what a rock is?   

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  Quote kalhur Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Apr-2010 at 23:58
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very intersting . i am fascinated by amish people and their way of life . it is very near to nature ad less destructive to the earth  and their pacifissm is also extra ordinary. but being kurd living in iraq- iran border tribal area . i was forced to learn to shoot at very low age, before i had lost my milk teethUnhappy despite the fact that i was born in a family with deep sufist tradition of do not searching violence to solve the problems in the life. i never knew that there was people with christian pacifist belief in iran. i am very fascinated.


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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Apr-2010 at 03:10

Originally posted by Molokane

Is there a word for Molokan in Farsi, Cyrus?

They have been called as Malqan (مالقان) in some Persian sources, accroding to this Persian article: "History of Christian presence in Gorgan", it seems the number of them reached to some thousands, of course in the region around Gorgan in the northeast of Iran, at least 20 different ethnic peoples, like Persians, Turkmens, Kazakhs, Kurds, Khorasani Turks, Baluchis and etc live, and most of them have migrated there in the recent centuries.

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  Quote Molokane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-Apr-2010 at 19:53
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

Originally posted by Molokane

Is there a word for Molokan in Farsi, Cyrus?

They have been called as Malqan (مالقان) in some Persian sources, accroding to this Persian article: "History of Christian presence in Gorgan", it seems the number of them reached to some thousands, of course in the region around Gorgan in the northeast of Iran, at least 20 different ethnic peoples, like Persians, Turkmens, Kazakhs, Kurds, Khorasani Turks, Baluchis and etc live, and most of them have migrated there in the recent centuries.


I really enjoyed your post about the Volga trade route and the Russian impact on Iran. Unfortunately, there was not much discussion on it and was hoping what you thought what went on and cite anything controversial or profound to its nature. 
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I think this young 17-teen years old artist, presenting Azerbaijan on the international song contest "Eurovision 2010" in Norway is great example of Iranic cultural tradition in modern times. Her name is Safura Alizadeh and come from artistic family-the father is a professional painter and mother is a pianist and fashion designer. Except singing, she can play brilliant on a saxophone. The song "Drip Drop" is also brilliant, set to the final and Safura have a full chance to win the contest. Her song is very popular in Bulgaria too. I hear it every day on a different commercial radio stations. She seems to me somewhat like Amy Lee from Evanescence Wink 
 
 


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  Quote Emil_Diniyev Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29-May-2010 at 22:39
What do you mean?

What is cultural "Iranian" about what you told except her "Zade" suffix?

Azerbaijan and Azeris are known for such that are not matched in any other Muslim nations. When it comes to education, music, art etc...

Azerbajan are also the first Muslim country that established a secular and democratic Republic during 1918, 5 years prior to Ataturks Turkish Republic of 1923.



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  Quote Kanas_Krumesis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2010 at 13:56
Dear Emil_Diniyev, I`m really surprised why you so hardly try to deny your Iranic roots? For the Russians in 19th century there was no doubt about Iranic roots of people from Azerbajan. I`ll remind you this excellent photo posted from you of Azeri male with traditional dress. I`m sure we both understand Russian and can read the inscription below. It is: "Caucasian type" on left and after this "a Persian" on right. 
 
Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev


 
The only thing which make you a Turk is the langauge. If you are not agree just go to Central Asia or Siberia and compare. Iranic culture, art, stile, literature, creativity, maths, music is well-known to the world. I don`t think that countries like Ottoman empire can boast with such a stuff. They just copy Persians and others. They themselves admit it. This ancestral artistry in Safura`s family is not an accident to me.
Bulgaria gave it`s 12 points to Safura, but unfortunately she can`t win. Don`t care, because everybody knows that Eurovision is all rigged and not objective Wink


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  Quote Emil_Diniyev Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2010 at 14:40
My bad, that picture is not of Azeri but Tati. They are a people of Azerbaijan with "Persian" origin.

Among so many pictures, its natural to mix some.

? Russians refered to Azeris as Caucasian Tatars, as they distinguished us from Iranian Muslims.

You may also want to see the other pictures I posted.












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  Quote Emil_Diniyev Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2010 at 14:52
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis


The only thing which make you a Turk is the langauge. If you are not agree just go to Central Asia or Siberia and compare. Iranic culture, art, stile, literature, creativity, maths, music is well-known to the world. I don`t think that countries like Ottoman empire can boast with such a stuff. They just copy Persians and others. They themselves admit it. This ancestral artistry in Safura`s family is not an accident to me.
Bulgaria gave it`s 12 points to Safura, but unfortunately she can`t win. Don`t care, because everybody knows that Eurovision is all rigged and not objective Wink


Care to elobrate? Or do you read my post? Azerbaijan were the first nation in Muslim and Turkic world to form a democratic and secular Republic, and actually a Republic. The first theatre Turkic and of Muslim world and many other things...When Persians were under Burqa.

We created such pieces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDorT39bwSU

So I don't know what your really talking about. And even now, Iran is a sharia country ruled by Mollahs.


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  Quote Kanas_Krumesis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2010 at 15:06
My friend, I`m talking about large period of time. Thousands of years. Persians are under Burqa from 1979, and Azerbajan was a republic for short in 1918. Republic is not 100 % progressive government form. Even today UK and over a half countries in Europe are a Constitutional Monarchy. Democracy is something relatively. In many cases people have a right to vote, but they are discriminated and lived a poor life. I remember the communism.  
 
Political statement is something different from cultural tradition.


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2010 at 16:48
This may be my bad?, but the head gear is nothing less nor more than the same gear worn in years past by "those who wore them!"

I will leave it to some of you, who are from such a society, to fill in the "blank?"

It has to do with a very special lamb, or goat? The hair is not dyed or mixted with lessor wool! Any one who had one of these on their heads, was a member of a very special group!

The group, and the lamb, etc., are all part of a very important part of our history, that has been "forgotten!"

There is an old name for them, however?

In otherwords, these were not "Afros!"

I have given all of you some hints! I.e,, a special goat or lamb, etc.? And a very special group who were allowed to wear such a "Head gear!"

For just what special group, and or Lamb, am I referring to?

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  Quote Emil_Diniyev Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2010 at 19:49
Opusluola, what are you talking about? Confused

That is Papaq. Unique of Azerbaijan, worn by every regular people.











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  Quote Emil_Diniyev Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-May-2010 at 19:53
Originally posted by Kanas_Krumesis

My friend, I`m talking about large period of time. Thousands of years. Persians are under Burqa from 1979, and Azerbajan was a republic for short in 1918. Republic is not 100 % progressive government form. Even today UK and over a half countries in Europe are a Constitutional Monarchy. Democracy is something relatively. In many cases people have a right to vote, but they are discriminated and lived a poor life. I remember the communism.  
 
Political statement is something different from cultural tradition.


You fail to see something, it was also a secular and democratic one, and the first being such in Muslim world. That is the point, not it being a Republic.


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  Quote Molokane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2010 at 11:59
Why do Azeri Turks look semitic? Are a lot of Caucasians of the Caucasus region home to semitic minorities having significantly contributed to reflect Azeri culture? I never understood why A LOT of Turks look semitic. Just look at Ahmadinejad.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2010 at 14:04
"That is Papaq. Unique of Azerbaijan, worn by every regular people."

And, I will suggest that it is merely a version of the famous hat worn by the Cossacks! Special black woolen hats, set of the Cossacks from other military units!

One example;

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/kuban-cossack-uniform-sheepskin-hat-papakha-2

Please take the time to look at all of the examples here?

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=2043.0

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Cossacks copied it from us. :). Including their dress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papakhi

Papakha (Georgian: ფაფახი pʰɑpʰɑxi; Ukrainian: папаха; Russian: папа́ха ; Azerbaijani: papakh papakha) is a male wool hat worn throughout the Caucasus.

" were introduced to the Russian army following the campaigns in the Caucasus mountains, becoming an official part of the uniform in 1855 for the Cossacks, and, later, for the rest of the cavalry."

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Originally posted by Molokane

Why do Azeri Turks look semitic? Are a lot of Caucasians of the Caucasus region home to semitic minorities having significantly contributed to reflect Azeri culture? I never understood why A LOT of Turks look semitic. Just look at Ahmadinejad.
Geeeee. I didn't know that Mahmud was a Turk all this while.Approve
 
I suppose if one uses the word 'Semitic', then by inference it means that one also subscribes, whether fully or partly, to the 'Shem, Ham and Japhet' theory of human ancestry.
 
In other words, if you believe in a 'Semitic' race', then it means you also believe in a 'Hamitic' race and a 'Japhetic' race. Consequently, since Shem, Ham and Japhet came from the same father, some of their offspring would have inherited some physical similarities between them.
 
Especially those who have lived for a long time, like thousands of years, in adjacent regions. E.g. the Iranian regions, the Meditterranean regions, the Arabian lands, Western Central Asia, the Anatolia-Levant regions and the Western Himalayas.


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2010 at 19:06
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Emil!

Did you look at the tenth post? From Lisa?

"Alexis in the uniform of theLife-Guards Atamanskiy Regiment"



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Originally posted by Shield-of-Dardania

Originally posted by Molokane

Why do Azeri Turks look semitic? Are a lot of Caucasians of the Caucasus region home to semitic minorities having significantly contributed to reflect Azeri culture? I never understood why A LOT of Turks look semitic. Just look at Ahmadinejad.
Geeeee. I didn't know that Mahmud was a Turk all this while.Approve
 
I suppose if one uses the word 'Semitic', then by inference it means that one also subscribes, whether fully or partly, to the 'Shem, Ham and Japhet' theory of human ancestry.
 
In other words, if you believe in a 'Semitic' race', then it means you also believe in a 'Hamitic' race and a 'Japhetic' race. Consequently, since Shem, Ham and Japhet came from the same father, some of their offspring would have inherited some physical similarities between them.
 
Especially those who have lived for a long time, like thousands of years, in adjacent regions. E.g. the Iranian regions, the Meditterranean regions, the Arabian lands, Western Central Asia, the Anatolia-Levant regions and the Western Himalayas.


He isn't, hes from Semnan. Pure Persian.

This guy is another Persian with inferiority complex. :).




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