Iranian Diversity

Originally posted by opuslola Is this what you spoke of? http://www.pilipili-miniatures.com/pages_NT/NT-02_pages/NT02.html I don't think so! I would suggest that the term "Attaman" or "Hetman", might well be more correct? see;Attaman! "Attaman, the title of the supreme chief of the Cossacks, now retained only by those of the Don. The attaman was elected by the people in a general public meeting; the mode of election was by throwing their fur caps at the favorite, and he who had the largest heap of caps was chosen. When in the 16th century the Cossacks submitted to the Poles, the election of the attaman was confirmed by the Polish king. After the secession of the Cossacks from Poland and their submission to Russia in the 17th century, the attamans preserved the same rights until after the insurrection of Mazeppa, when the office was suppressed. In 1750 it was restored in the person of Count Razumovsky. When Catharine II. destroyed the organization of the Cossacks of the Ukraine, the dignity of attaman was confined to those of the Don. The last elective attaman of these Cossacks was Platoff, after whose death the emperor Nicholas made the dignity of attaman hereditary in the cesare-vitch. The commanders of various other Cossack organizations in Russia bear the title of attaman, but only by custom and courtesy. From the word attaman was derived the word hetman, in ancient Poland the title of the commander of all the military forces of the nation." So, let's see "Hetman?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetman Here we find these strange words; "One theory is the word is probably derived from the Old High German Hauptmann,[1] with Haupt meaning "main" or "head" and Mann meaning "man". Hauptmann was a common military title during medieval times meaning "captain" but corresponds more to today's "general". The German "Hauptmann" deriving from the Polish "Hetman/Hatman" is less likely. The more accepted theory is it derives from the steppic/Turkic term "otaman". Due to centuries of contact, Polish and Prussian states were influenced by each other's military traditions (see Rittmeister/rotmistrz) and administrations (Rathaus/ratusz, Bürgermeister/burmistrz), or the fact that almost 70% of Prussian generals and commanders were foreign, and the majority of these Polish, though many changed their names to more German sounding names[citation needed]. The entire Prussian cavalry, as well as most of Europe's, was based on Polish, Serbian and Hungarian traditions, and most cavalry were from these countries[citation needed]. However, an intermediation might have been provided in Czech[2]" Especially these words from the above! "The more accepted theory is it derives from the steppic/Turkic term "otaman"." Is it me, or do I see the word "Otaman" in the above? This is but a short stutter to Ottoman! What do you all think?

Opusluola, I really cannot understand you.

What they wear is called Papakh. Originally worn in Caucasus, among Georgians, Azerbaijanis and North Caucasians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papakhi

Being Persian is an ethnicity. Iranian is a nationality. 

Is this what you spoke of?

http://www.pilipili-miniatures.com/pages_NT/NT-02_pages/NT02.html

I don't think so!

I would suggest that the term "Attaman" or "Hetman", might well be more correct?

see;Attaman!

"Attaman, the title of the supreme chief of the Cossacks, now retained only by those of the Don. The attaman was elected by the people in a general public meeting; the mode of election was by throwing their fur caps at the favorite, and he who had the largest heap of caps was chosen. When in the 16th century the Cossacks submitted to the Poles, the election of the attaman was confirmed by the Polish king. After the secession of the Cossacks from Poland and their submission to Russia in the 17th century, the attamans preserved the same rights until after the insurrection of Mazeppa, when the office was suppressed. In 1750 it was restored in the person of Count Razumovsky. When Catharine II. destroyed the organization of the Cossacks of the Ukraine, the dignity of attaman was confined to those of the Don. The last elective attaman of these Cossacks was Platoff, after whose death the emperor Nicholas made the dignity of attaman hereditary in the cesare-vitch. The commanders of various other Cossack organizations in Russia bear the title of attaman, but only by custom and courtesy.

From the word attaman was derived the word hetman, in ancient Poland the title of the commander of all the military forces of the nation."

So, let's see "Hetman?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetman

Here we find these strange words;

"One theory is the word is probably derived from the Old High German Hauptmann,[1] with Haupt meaning "main" or "head" and Mann meaning "man". Hauptmann was a common military title during medieval times meaning "captain" but corresponds more to today's "general". The German "Hauptmann" deriving from the Polish "Hetman/Hatman" is less likely. The more accepted theory is it derives from the steppic/Turkic term "otaman". Due to centuries of contact, Polish and Prussian states were influenced by each other's military traditions (see Rittmeister/rotmistrz) and administrations (Rathaus/ratusz, Bürgermeister/burmistrz), or the fact that almost 70% of Prussian generals and commanders were foreign, and the majority of these Polish, though many changed their names to more German sounding names[citation needed]. The entire Prussian cavalry, as well as most of Europe's, was based on Polish, Serbian and Hungarian traditions, and most cavalry were from these countries[citation needed]. However, an intermediation might have been provided in Czech[2]"

Especially these words from the above!

"The more accepted theory is it derives from the steppic/Turkic term "otaman"."

Is it me, or do I see the word "Otaman" in the above? This is but a short stutter to Ottoman!

What do you all think?





Edited by opuslola - 02-Jun-2010 at 20:00

Originally posted by Shield-of-Dardania Originally posted by Molokane Why do Azeri Turks look semitic? Are a lot of Caucasians of the Caucasus region home to semitic minorities having significantly contributed to reflect Azeri culture? I never understood why A LOT of Turks look semitic. Just look at Ahmadinejad. Geeeee. I didn't know that Mahmud was a Turk all this while.   I suppose if one uses the word 'Semitic', then by inference it means that one also subscribes, whether fully or partly, to the 'Shem, Ham and Japhet' theory of human ancestry.   In other words, if you believe in a 'Semitic' race', then it means you also believe in a 'Hamitic' race and a 'Japhetic' race. Consequently, since Shem, Ham and Japhet came from the same father, some of their offspring would have inherited some physical similarities between them.   Especially those who have lived for a long time, like thousands of years, in adjacent regions. E.g. the Iranian regions, the Meditterranean regions, the Arabian lands, Western Central Asia, the Anatolia-Levant regions and the Western Himalayas.

He isn't, hes from Semnan. Pure Persian.

This guy is another Persian with inferiority complex. :).




Edited by Emil_Diniyev - 02-Jun-2010 at 19:30

Originally posted by Molokane Why do Azeri Turks look semitic? Are a lot of Caucasians of the Caucasus region home to semitic minorities having significantly contributed to reflect Azeri culture? I never understood why A LOT of Turks look semitic. Just look at Ahmadinejad.

Edited by Shield-of-Dardania - 02-Jun-2010 at 18:54

Cossacks copied it from us. :). Including their dress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papakhi

Papakha (Georgian: ფაფახი pʰɑpʰɑxi; Ukrainian: папаха; Russian: папа́ха ; Azerbaijani: papakh papakha) is a male wool hat worn throughout the Caucasus.

" were introduced to the Russian army following the campaigns in the Caucasus mountains, becoming an official part of the uniform in 1855 for the Cossacks, and, later, for the rest of the cavalry."

Edited by Emil_Diniyev - 02-Jun-2010 at 15:09

Why do Azeri Turks look semitic? Are a lot of Caucasians of the Caucasus region home to semitic minorities having significantly contributed to reflect Azeri culture? I never understood why A LOT of Turks look semitic. Just look at Ahmadinejad.

Opusluola, what are you talking about?

That is Papaq. Unique of Azerbaijan, worn by every regular people.











Edited by Emil_Diniyev - 30-May-2010 at 22:14

My friend, I`m talking about large period of time. Thousands of years. Persians are under Burqa from 1979, and Azerbajan was a republic for short in 1918. Republic is not 100 % progressive government form. Even today UK and over a half countries in Europe are a Constitutional Monarchy. Democracy is something relatively. In many cases people have a right to vote, but they are discriminated and lived a poor life. I remember the communism.  

Edited by Kanas_Krumesis - 30-May-2010 at 15:07

My bad, that picture is not of Azeri but Tati. They are a people of Azerbaijan with "Persian" origin.

Among so many pictures, its natural to mix some.

? Russians refered to Azeris as Caucasian Tatars, as they distinguished us from Iranian Muslims.

You may also want to see the other pictures I posted.












Edited by Emil_Diniyev - 30-May-2010 at 14:49