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    Posted: 13-Jul-2012 at 06:31
It was not only Plato who wrote about him, but also Xenophon, Aeschines etc., and the Socratic dialogue became a literary genre.
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  Quote TafeerKhan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Jul-2012 at 06:27
I think Socrates was a genius, and there is enough evidence to believe that he really existed. His contribution is not only with regards to philosophy, but also for standing up for truth.
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  Quote Antiquarian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2012 at 19:19
"The highest wisdom - to distinguish between good and evil" (С). The modern world would be much more primitive, without Socrates. Socrates is a source of intellectual reflection (from Lat. - Reflexio).
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Apr-2012 at 22:26
All in all... the attitude of a fine Infantry soldier.
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  Quote d' artagnan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Apr-2012 at 14:39
If he had ben less condescending then he wouldn't have been the famous socrates but instead would've been just your typical philosopher. The way he acted when he was on trial is what I regard as the highlight of his career because it's when he let it all out and gave the ,ost insight into the world and the soul.
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  Quote Starsucks Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2011 at 16:25
I think Socrates was right to question those who claimed they knew more than they did, but he could've done it in a much less condescending way that probably would have spared his life. I certainly wouldn't like someone who made me look like a fool in public, in front of his own fan club.
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2011 at 23:29
Thank you so much, CV!Smile
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2011 at 20:26
I know this poster well. And I am delighted to see this individual here.
As to the post I agree in principal..the old codger is hard to fathom other then through the eyes of either his enemies or his friends.
 
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  Quote Don Quixote Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2011 at 20:18
I wouldn't say he was a genius, but he was quite good. I think that Socrates is the biggest enigma in history of philosophy, because we don't have anything from him really, what we have are impressions of others, and Plato using his name to sell his own ideas.
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  Quote d' artagnan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Jul-2011 at 20:07
No biggy just don't want you getting suspended again hey Ron. By the way your a fairly open minded and thoughtful person. What do you think about the condition of this country. Is it going to work itself out or do I need to move myself to another country real soon.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Jul-2011 at 19:41
Sorry if I appear so Hunter. I had no intention of appearing so. I thought I was only giving a new comer some good advice.

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  Quote d' artagnan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Jul-2011 at 19:32
You seem to be in a bad mood anymore Ron. I mean I'm a bit of a cynic but you make me seem like a priest.

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Jul-2011 at 17:34
Thanks for the recommendation! I will attempt to read it.

Did you read every post in this thread before posting?

If not, you might well do so.

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  Quote scottaleger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Jul-2011 at 06:33
The Author wrote a book about Journeys of Socrates.

The book name is : The Journeys of Socrates
Author : Dan Millman

This is a very nice book about Socrates .


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2011 at 20:01
My dear MS Beth Taylor, it is good that you think well of Socrates, but just what do you think of Saccas?

He was reportedly the teacher of the great Neo-Platonist! It is not strange that there reportedly existed 1. Plato, then 2. Plotinus, and then 3. Plethon? And one of the above was taught by another famous person with the name Socrates, and another by Saccas!

Please read the earlier posts for more information.

And, in case you do not do the slightest to find out what I am speaking of, then you might well read this site;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonius_Saccas

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  Quote bethtaylor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Jul-2011 at 11:34
Originally posted by CyberRanger

For me Socrates is genius, but his not the only one.



I think of Socrates as a genius and I put Aristotle up there with him in that category.
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  Quote TheAlaniDragonRising Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17-May-2011 at 20:15
Originally posted by opuslola

I cannot cast a vote, because he may well be but a figment of the imagination?

Is there anything you know of that might not? LOL
 


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-May-2011 at 18:37
I have noticed that no one has responded to my last posting, concerning the teacher of Plotinus being named Saccas, and not Socrates! Is it because some of you now have doubts?

How about you "Thomas", do you really have doubts?

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-May-2011 at 17:30
For those of you who hold a very tight grip on our currently held chronology, as well as the placement of Plato, and his so called "neo-Platonists", then I will refer you to this site, and its very mind opening first few paragraphs,;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoplatonism

Thus the above sites says or asserts;

"Neoplatonism (also called Neo-Platonism) is the modern term for a school of religious and mystical philosophy that took shape in the 3rd century AD, based on the teachings of Plato and earlier Platonists, with its earliest contributor believed to be Plotinus, and his teacher Ammonius Saccas. Neoplatonists would have considered themselves simply Platonists, and the modern distinction is due to the perception that their philosophy contained sufficiently unique interpretations of Plato to make it substantially different from what Plato wrote and believed. [1] Neoplatonism attempted to reconcile the nascent Christian doctrine with the classical philosophies of Greek and Roman society.

The Neoplatonism of Plotinus and Porphyry has been referred to as in fact being orthodox Platonic philosophy by scholars like John D. Turner. This distinction provides a contrast with later movements of Neoplatonism, such as those of Iamblichus and Proclus, which embraced magical practices or theurgy as part of the soul's development in the process of the soul's return to the Source. Possibly Plotinus was motivated to clarify some of the traditions in the teachings of Plato that had been misrepresented before Iamblichus (see Neoplatonism and Gnosticism).

Neoplatonism took definitive shape with the philosopher Plotinus, who claimed to have received his teachings from Ammonius Saccas, a philosopher in Alexandria.[2] Plotinus was also influenced by Alexander of Aphrodisias and Numenius of Apamea. Plotinus's student Porphyry assembled his teachings into the six sets of nine tractates, or Enneads. Subsequent Neoplatonic philosophers included Iamblichus, Hypatia of Alexandria, Hierocles of Alexandria, Proclus (by far the most influential of later Neoplatonists), Damascius (last head of Neoplatonist School at Athens), Olympiodorus the Younger, and Simplicius of Cilicia.

Thinkers from the Neoplatonic school cross-pollinated with the thinkers of other intellectual schools. For instance, certain strands of Neoplatonism influenced Christian thinkers (such as Augustine, Boethius, John Scotus Eriugena, and Bonaventure),[3] while Christian thought influenced (and sometimes converted) Neoplatonic philosophers (such as Dionysius the Areopagite).[4][5] In the Middle Ages Neoplatonistic arguments were taken seriously in the thought of medieval Islamic and Jewish thinkers such as al-Farabi and Moses Maimonides,[6] and experienced a revival in the Renaissance with the acquisition and translation of Greek and Arabic Neoplatonic texts."

In reality all you have to consider, with a somwhat open mind, is the first sentence above, where we can read;

"Neoplatonism (also called Neo-Platonism) is the modern term for a school of religious and mystical philosophy that took shape in the 3rd century AD, based on the teachings of Plato and earlier Platonists, with its earliest contributor believed to be Plotinus, and his teacher Ammonius Saccas."

So, from the above we see one strange statement, which is that Plotinus, was reportedly a student of one Ammonius Saccas!"

Perhaps someone can give us a realistic meaning to the first name above which is today spelled as "Ammonius?", or perhaps even provide a meaning for the word "Ammon?" But, the even stranger part is the similarity of the last name "Saccas", as it might well be compared to the name of the teacher of "Plato", who we are told was "Socrates!"

Could "Saccas" be but another variation of "Socrates?"

Could it be but a co-incidence that the two "teachers" held such similar names? Well maybe, but is it also merely a co-incidence that the "student" also has such similar names? That is "Plotinus" versus "Plato?", or even later in time or rather modern chronology, the last "neo-platonist's", who was called or named "Pletho?"

Just whom was the teacher of "Pletho?"

For a lot more information, I would suggest you look for my postings aout the above subject in the "Alternative History" section, or here;

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28856

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  Quote Galleon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Apr-2011 at 11:40
Originally posted by Athena

Originally posted by Galleon

Originally posted by CyberRanger

For me Socrates is genius, but his not the only one.

I agree with eaglecap, it's not only Socrates, but theres others like Plato, Hippocrates and etc.Smile


The culture of Athens established by those preserved in the documents, generates greatness.  When this forgotten civilization was rediscovered, they were believed to a society of geniuses.  For this reason, the US imitated their education for well rounded individual growth.  It tears my heart knowing this education was replaced by Germany's education for technology for military and industrial purpose.  We can not realize our human potential, following the path of our enemy.   But we can destroy the world with our weapons.  Big smile  That is exactly what Zeus feared!  that we would develop technology and forget the gods.  We have come to that day.   We are technologically smart, but lack the wisdom to use this technology.   

I think it was necessary to follow this path of rapid technological development, but pray daily that we recover our balance, and return public education to its original purpose of actualizing the dream of democracy with liberty and justice for all.  
I agree, Athena. Good point.
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