Mysteries of Darabgerd (Round City of Darius)

I had never heard Darabkart/d!! Of course this city is also called Darabjerd which is the Arabicized version of this Persian word, the reason is just that there is no 'g' sound in Arabic language and Persian "g" is usually changed to "j" in this language, like Gorgan which has been chaned to "Jorjan" in Arabic.

But according your own link of that Middle Persian book, that is Darabgerd (دارابگرد), anyway the Persian suffix "-gerd" (town, city) has an old Indo-European origin and comes from PIE base *gher- "to enclose", it can be comapred with Germanic suffix "-gard" (Old Norse Asgard & German Stuttgart), Slavic "-grad" (Russian Leningrad), ...

I don't know what you mean, there are certainly some differences between Persian verbs and suffixes, a verb at the end makes a sentence in Persian, don't you think that there should at least some cities in Modern Persian with the suffix "-kard"?!! If you read it:  Darabkard then this one  should be Yazdkard, not Yazdgerd.

You know "K" and "G" symbols in the Middle Persian (Pahlavi) alphabet are almost the same, like some other different letters which have similar symbols in this alphabet, as I remember the symbol of "K" can be read as "K" just at beginning of the word, otherwise as "G", so you can't say for sure how a word was eactly pronounced by just reading a Middle Persian script, sometimes ago in Tehran University Dr. Turaj Daryaei held a seminar about a new discovered Sassanid coin, however there was a readable Pahlavi script on this coin but Dr. Daryaei said this script can't help use because it can be read in several different forms, so he just discussed about images on the coin.

I just looked at Dr. Mohsen Abolghasemi's "A Manual of Old Iranian Languages" (راهنماي زبانهاي باستاني ايران) page 170:

«symbol of "K" can be read as "K" just at beginning of the word, otherwise as "G"

I proved it's wrong
is one word or a compound of 2?
Darap + Kart or ur Gerd
as u see writer left space between 2 words

& more ex. from Šahrestānhā ī Ērānšahr
Maleka malek, a Hozvaresh for Shahan sha
Alaksandr
Nikir
or SamarKand, if it was Gant, what's the meaning of Gant?
Gantak=Dirty
Kant=>Kand=~dig
we still say dastkand not dastgand



Edited by Behi - 13-Aug-2009 at 07:57

Darabkert, Dastkerd, Susankert, ... are also wrong

Yes, wrong, it’s Kart & if you say it’s wrong too, what is right??
Gert???
but you said here:

it depends on our knowledge of the words,

is it which knowledge that says Gert is right??!!
this one:

«symbol of "K" can be read as "K" just at beginning of the word, otherwise as "G"»

I said K is just as K & proved this rule is wrong:

Damik=> Zamin: Earth  Evak=> Yek: one  Nevak=> Nik: well & this one has both:  Gevak=>Ja:place …& more ex. from Šahrestānhā ī Ērānšahr Maleka malek, a Hozvaresh for Shahan sha Alaksandr Nikir or SamarKand…

 

is one word or a compound of 2? Darap + Kart or ur Gerd as u see writer left space between 2 words

or this one:
our ancestors had 2 words for Gerd?! They wrote one Kart, read & meant sometimes Gerd
& one, Girt, read & meant it Gerd
inqadr ahmaq bodan?
& show me where is the Pahlavi word of Gerd

You brings up Titus, ok , it’s same source that says:

šahrestān dārāb-kird dārāy ī dārāyān kard.

I agree it’s still wrong, just K is right “i” & “d” is wrong
as you see here:

Sentence: 48 Turaj daryaei: ایران-کرد-شاپور Titus: ērān-kard-šāpuhr Sentence: 54 Turaj daryaei:ایران-اسان-کرد-قباد Titus: ērān-āsān-kard-kawād

Both says Kard & not Girt or Gerd or Kirt,
also the “D” is still wrong

& here:

"pad nām ud nērōg ud ayārīh ī dādār ohrmazd, jadag ī nēk.", as you see,  exists in the words "nērōg", "jadag" and "nēk", in two wrods it is read as "g" and the last one as "k".

I said: K during age changed to g & then H
as:Farzanak=>Farzanag=>Farzaneh
or deleted from word:
Menok=>Menog=>Mino
then by this rule am I allowed to read:
Nik=> NiH
Nerok=> NeroH
DarapHart
BirHant
SamarHand

It’s what the readers done. in some words they read G because the pronunciation changed to G in next periods, they saw it’s Birjand  then they thought it was G, it’s right until here, but they thought it always from 1st day of creation was G & then made such this wrong rule

«symbol of "K" can be read as "K" just at beginning of the word, otherwise as "G"»

answer me, sometime our ancestors liked reed K & sometimes G!?WHY? Prove it for me
what healthy mind accept that to write something & read totally different one

this time try answer to me instead running


Edited by Behi - 13-Aug-2009 at 07:56

Originally posted by Cyrus .... the word should be certainly read as "Daragerd/Darabgart".

I agree but not at that meaning what you want

Originally posted by Behi K during age changed to g

or at last you accept it is not circle, don't you?

about Ashakart:




p36, Farhang-e Hozvareshhai-e Dabire Pahlavi, Dr. Freydon Joneidi

somthing more:
between "k" & "R"
"a" in pahlavi is default sound & not need to show by
but "e" or "Ei" needs

Edited by Behi - 13-Aug-2009 at 07:58