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    Posted: 01-Sep-2010 at 14:14
Actually DW, I did not make a bad post of the site above. If you had read enough and scrolled down, you would have found this;

"Byzantine period
Church construction activity in the 9th century AD provides evidence of a flourishing economy on the island before its eventual abandonment sometime in the second half of the ninth century as a consequence of Arab raids. 12th c. Emigration and the exactions of the Byzantine officials completed the tales of Michael Choniates in the late 12th century. In 1198, he addressed a memorial to the Emperor Alexios Komnenos III, on behalf of the Athenians, from which we learn that the city was free from the jurisdiction of the provincial governor, who resided at Thebes and who was not even allowed to enter the city, which like Patras and Monemvasia was governed by its own άρχοντες. Piracy Benedict of Peterborough gives a graphic account of Greece, as it was in 1191, that many of the islands were uninhabited from fear of pirates and that others were their chosen lairs. The islands of Aegina, Salamis and Makronesos were strongholds of corsairs. They injured the property of the Athenian Church and dangerously wounded the nephew of Michael Choniates, who found it almost impossible to collect the ecclesiastical revenues of Aegina. Most of the Aeginetan population had fled therefore, while those who remained had fraternized with the pirates. At the time of the Latin conquest most Greece was still nominally under the authority of the Byzantine Emperor. Continental Greece, from the Isthmus to the river Peneios in the north, and to Aetolia in the west, composed the «Θέμα Ελλάδος», which thus included Attica, Boeotia, Phokis, Lokris, part of Thessaly and the islands of Euboea and Aegina. This Theme was at the time administrated together with the Theme of Peloponnese by the same official.

The Franks and Venetians after 1204
Venetians took all the best harbors and markets in the Levant:

The Ionian Islands: Corfu, Cephalonia, Zante, Leukas
Oreos (north) and to the South, Karystos
Aegina, Salamis and the province of Sunium with the Cyclades
Crete
Aegina and its external history



All the commercial privileges, which they had enjoyed in the time of the Byzantine Empire should be continued to them. Burgundian Athens embraced Attica, Boeotia, the Megarid, the ancient Opuntian Lokris and the fortresses of Nauplia and Argos and at least 4 ports (Piraeus, Nauplia, Atalante, Livadostro (Corinth )). They did a little amateur piracy. Thebes was the capital.


Athens, Thebes, Peloponnese, Euboea
In 1225 Othon de la Roche departed for Burgundy, leaving his nephew Guy as Duke. For 50 years, Athens enjoyed peace, till a fratricidal war between Guillaume de Villeardouin (Prince of Achaia) and the great Barons of Euboea involved Guy, who took the side of the Barons. He became regent of Achaia after the end of it.

Guillaume de Villeardouin was captured by the Byzantines and when he was freed, he was accepted by the Duke of Athens in Thebes. There the Treaty of Thebes was signed between the Prince of Achaia, Venice and the Triarchs. William recognized Guglielmo da Verona, Narzotto dale Carceri and Grapella as Triarchs and they in turn recognized him as their suzerain and promised to destroy the Castle of Negroponte. Venice engaged to cancel all her fiefs by her Bailie since the death of Carintana.

When the Latin Empire of Constantinople fell, the Emperor Baldwin II spend time in the Duchy of Athens. Othon de Cicon, Lord of Karystos and Aegina came to attend him along with other lords. He had played so active a part in the Euboean war and had lent him 5000 Hyperpera in his sore need. Baldwin liquidated his dept to the baron of Karystos with an arm of St. John the Baptist, which the pious Othon subsequently presented to the Burgundian Abbey of Citeaux.

John (son of Guy) got involved in the war of Thessaly and Constantinople. He helped the Sevastokrator of Thessaly Ioannes I` Angelos against Emperor Michael VIII and he wan the imperial army. As a reward he took Ioannes’ daughter, Helena, as a bride for his younger brother William and he extended his influence as far as north as Thessaly. At a battle at Negroponte he was caught prisoner by the Greeks and was carried to Constantinople. Michael took ransom. A year later (1280) he died.

William (Guy’s brother) reigned the next 7 years as the leading figure of Frankish Greece. [The Angevin Kings of Naples had become overlords of Achaia by the treaty of Viterbo.] He spent money on the defense of Peloponnese and Euboea.

Helena Angelina (William’s Greek wife) left to rule after William’s death. She married his brother-in-law Hugh de Brienne. Helena's son Guy II, at the ceremony of his coming of age and becoming Duke of Athens (1294), made Bonifate of Verona a knight and as a reward for his service, he gave him 13 castles on the mainland and Salamis (to bring him in revenue 50,000 sols ) and he bestowed the hand of Agnes de Cicon (daughter of Othon de Cicon), cousin of the Duke of Athens, lady of Euboea, Karystos (was at the time in the hands of Greeks) and Aegina. Attica now for the first time supplies Euboea with corn. Guy II died in 1308.

Walter de Brienne (Count of Lecce ) became the new Duke. He thought he might use the coming Catalans against the Duke of Thessaly (Ioannes II`), who made alliance with the Despot of Epeiros and the Emperor. The Catalans won but at the end turned against their employer and occupied the regions from Thessaly to Athens (1311). Only four survived: Boniface of Verona, Roger Deslaur, the eldest son of the Duke of Naxos and Jean de Maisy (άρχοντας of Euboea).

The Catalans in Aegina (1311-1451)
The Catalan company annexed to Attica and Boeotia the Duchy of Neopatras, including part of Thessaly, while Catalan lords held the castles of Salona and Karystos and the island of Aegina. The Company needed a leader and they offered the post to Boniface, but he refused. Then they turned to Roger Deslaur, who accepted for a while. King Frederick II of Sicily sent as their Duke his (bastard) son Manfred Fadrigo. He was among the Principal Catalans in 1335 and he died in 1338 leaving castles to his sons: His second son, Don Jaime, succeeded his elder brother (or cousin?) Don Pedro in his estates, held for a time the island of Aegina—because the people of the island rebelled against him—and became later on vicar-general of the Company.
Yet another son, Bonifacio, inherited Karystos and Lamia and received from Don Jaime, with certain reservations, Aegina, thereby reuniting the old possessions of his namesake and grandfather, Bonifacio da Verona. [The island of Salamis seems to have been subdued by the Greeks and paid taxes to the Byzantine governor of Monemvasia.]

Administration
The feudal system continued to exist, but not anymore under the Assizes, but under the Customs of Barcelona. And the official common language was now Catalan and not French. Fiefs of the Duchies of Athens and Neopatras (over the last years)

Κομητεία Δημητριάδος
Μαρκιονεία Βοδονίτσης
Κομητεία Σαλώνων
Count Ludwig Fadrique (1365-1381) was master of Lidoriki and Zetouni and later of Siderokastron (Delphoi) and Aegina.


Αυθεντεία Σιδηροκάστρου
Stefan Melissenos (1318-1333) => Othon de Novelles, marshal of the Duke, husband of Stefan’s sister => Count Ludwig Fadrique (1365-1381) => Maria Fadrique Cantacouzena (1382-1384?)


Αυθεντεία Αιγίνης
Αυθεντεία Στειρίου (Φωκίδα)
Αυθεντείαι Καρδίτσης και Αταλάντης
Αυθεντεία Καπραίνης (Χαιρώνεια)
Αυθεντεία Estanyol
Chief-officials = vicar-general , marshal in Thebes. Always chosen from the ranks of the Company and particularly from the house of de Novelles since 1363. Soon both offices were represented by one man, beginning at 1368 with Roger de Lluria. They minted no coins and they had no ducal Aula. Each city and district—on the example of Sicily—had its own local governor (veguer, castellano, capitan), whose term of office was fixed at 3 years and who was nominated by the Duke, the vicar or the local representatives. The principal towns and villages were represented by the sindici, which had their own councils and officers. Judges and notaries were elected for life or even as inherited offices. The Catalan state was declining under the Turkish and the Venetian (of Negroponte) threats; and also a new threat by Nerio Acciajuoli, Baron of Corinth.


Frederick II sent his son Don Alfonso Fadrique as “President of the fortunate army of Franks in the Duchy of Athens. He married Marulla of Euboea, the heiress of Boniface and so received back everything that Guy II had given to her father. The Venetians renewed their truce with the Catalans. In 1355, he became also King of Sicily by the title of Frederick III.
Frederick III dies in 1377. The Navarrese Company makes its appearance till the early 1380s.
Problems with people of Athens and Salona wanting independence. Livadia—always a privileged town in the Catalan period—received confirmation of its rights by Pedro IV (king of Aragon and new Duke of Athens) and became the seat of the Order of St. George in Greece, an honor due to the fact that the head of the saint was then preserved there.
In 1380, Thebes and Livadia were still in the hands of the Navarrese. Don Louis Fadrique begged the king to bestow him and his heirs the dignity of Counts of Malta, to confirm to him the castle of Siderokastron, the island of Aegina and any castles, which he might be able to recover from the Navarrese and their allies before the arrival of the new vicar-general. The king, conscious to the Count of Salona’s services, granted all these requests and received the envoy’s homage. Then he notified his subjects his intention to send Rocaberti to govern them.
Rocaberti arrived in Athens in autumn of 1380. Louis Fadrique and Galcerán de Peralta handed over their office to him. His instructions were:

to establish friendly relations with all the neighbouring potentates
to grant a general amnesty in his master's name to all the inhabitants of the duchies
to reward those who had been conspicuous of their loyalty to the King
to restore to the rebel branch of the Fadrique clan all the castles and goods which they had forfeited. Among these was the classic island of Aegina, which thus came to hands of Boniface's son, John.
to grant exemption from taxes for 2 years to all Greeks and Albanians who would come and settle in the depleted duchies. He wanted to cover the gaps in the population cause of the invasion of the Navarrese Company.
At the request of the people of Livadia, he established in their town, where the head of St. George was preserved, a branch of the Order of that Saint. He privately ordered Rocaberti to bring the relic of the Saint to Spain, an order never executed.

Caopena in Aegina
The Catalan company disappeared from the face of Attica, while 2 branches of the Fadrique family lingered on for a time, the one at Salona, the other at Aegina, where we find their connections, the family of Caopena, ruling till 1451. From John Fadrique, it passed—presumably by the marriage of his daughter—to the family of Caopena, then settled at Nauplia, whose name undoubtedly points to a Catalan origin. The Catalans conveyed the head of St. George and thence the Venetians found it in Aegina when they became possessed of the island and transported it to Venice—to the church of St. Giorgio Maggiore—in 1462. In 1425, Alioto Caopena, at that time ruler of Aegina, placed himself with treaty under the protection of Venice in order to escape the danger of a Turkish raid. The island must then have been fruitful, for one of the conditions under which Venice accorded him her protection, was that he should supply corn her colonies. He agreed to surrender the island to Venice if his family became extinct. Antonio Acciajuoli was against the treaty for one of his adopted daughters had married the future lord of Aegina, Antonello Caopena.

Venetians in Aegina (1451-1537)
In 1451, Aegina became Venetian. The islanders welcomed the Venetian rule; the claims of Antonello’ s uncle Arnà, who had lands in Argolis, were satisfied by a pension. A Venetian governor (rettore) was appointed, who was dependent on the authorities of Nauplia. After Arnà's death, his son Alioto renewed his claim to the island but was told that the republic was firmly resolved to keep it. He and his family were pensioned and one of them aided in the defence of Aegina against the Turks, in 1537, was captured with his family and died in a Turkish dungeon.

Ιn 1463 came the Turco-Venetian war, which was destined to cost the Venetians: Aegina, Myconos, the Northern Sporades and their colonies in Morea. Peace was concluded in 1479. Venice still retained: Lepanto, Nauplia, Monemvasia, Coron, Modon, Navarino, Northern Sporades, Crete, Myconos and Tenos. Aegina remained subject of Nauplia.

Administration Aegina obtained money for her defences by the unwilling sacrifice of her cherished relic, the head of St. George, which had been carried there from Livadia by the Catalans. In 1462, the Venetian Senate ordered the relic to be removed to St. Giorgio Maggiore in Venice. On 12 November, it was transported from Aegina, by Vettore Cappello, the famous Venetian commander. The Senate gave the Aeginetans 100 ducats apiece towards fortifying the island.

In 1519, the government was reformed. The system of having two rectors was found to lead in frequent quarrels and the republic thenceforth sent out a single official styled Bailie and Captain, assisted by two councilors, who performed the duties of camerlengo by turns. The Bailie’ s authority extended over the rector of Aegina, whereas Kastri (opposite Hydra) had been granted to two families, the Palaiologoi and the Alberti.

A democratic wave passed over the colony. Society at Nauplia was divided into 3 classes: nobles, citizens and plebeians; and it had been the ancient usage that the nobles alone should hold the much-coveted local offices, such as the judge of the inferior court ad inspector of weights and measures. The populace now demanded its share and the Home Government ordered that at least one of the 3 inspectors should be a man of the people.

Aegina had always been exposed to the raids of the corsairs and was cursed with oppressive governors during these last 30 years of Venetian rule. Venetian nobles weren't willing to go to this island. In 1533, three rectors of Aegina were punished for their acts of injustice and we have a graphic account of the reception given by the Aeginetans to the captain of Nauplia, who came to hold and enquiry into the administration of these delinquents. [Vid. Inscription over the entrance of St. George the Catholic in Paliachora.] The rectors had spurned their ancient right to elect islander to keep one key of the money-chest. They had also threatened to leave the island in a body with the commissioner, unless the captain avenged their wrongs. In order to spare the pockets of the community, it was ordered that appeals from the governor’ s decision should lie to Crete, instead of Venice. The republic should pay a bakshish to the Turkish governor of the Morea and to the Voevode who was stationed at the frontier of Thermisi (opposite Hydra). The fortifications too, were allowed to fall into despair and were inadequately guarded.


16th Century
After the fall of the Duchy of Athens and the principality of Achaia, the only Latin possessions left on the mainland of Greece were the papal city of Monemvasia, the fortress of Vonitsa, the Messenian stations Coron and Modon, Navarino, the castles of Argos and Nauplia, to which the island of Aegina was subordinate, Lepanto and Pteleon.

In 1502/03, the new peace left Venice with nothing but Cephalonia, Monemvasia and Nauplia, with their appurtenances in the Morea. And against the sack of Megara, she had to set the temporary capture of the castle of Aegina by Kemal Reis and the carrying off of 2000 Aeginetans. This treaty was renewed in 1513 and 1521. All the supplies of corn of Nauplia and Monemvasia had now to be imported from the Turkish possessions, while corsairs rendered dangerous all traffic by sea. In 1537, Suleyman the Magnificent declared war upon Venice and his admiral Khairedin Barbarossa spread fire and sword upon the Ionian Islands and in October fell upon the island of Aegina. On the 4th day Palaiochora fell, but the church of St George (Latin church) was spared. He massacred all the adult male population and took away 6000 women and children as slaves. So complete was the destruction of the Aeginetans, that when a French admiral, Baron de Blancard, touched the island soon afterwards, he found it devoid of inhabitants. There, as usual, an Albanian immigration replenished, at least to some extent, the devastated sites, but Aegina couldn’t recover its former prosperity. Thence Barbarossa sailed to Naxos, whence he carried off an immense booty, compelling the Duke of Naxos to purchase his further independence by a tribute of 5000 ducats."

And more!

I thought that this history of Aegina was worth the read? As well as the information concerning the Catalans! I even feel that it is important, in the history of the first Catalan units to enter into the service of the Byzantine Empire, that a leader of the Catalans, along with 300 knights, were slaughtered by the "Alans!" I feel that the very word "alan" might well have some important meaning that is not experessed today! Cat-alans,and Alans! It just seems too convienient!


And, you might well have noticed one mention of a man named "Hugh deBrienne?" It seems the inter-net is little able to provide much mention of any possible Hugh/Hues/Huges/Hughes de Brienne!

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I was considering Roger de Flor and then I too noticed the connection. Flor, old french for a flower which is interesting. Fleur de Lis or Lys. The symbol of the french crown and also the city of Florence, perhaps there is some connection? Yes?

But not only that, look, Lys + ander, Lysander, a famous spartan general who corssed the hellespont to defeat athens, Lis/Lys a lilly a type of flower perhaps there is a conection to both Florence and the French crown, do you see. Or pherpas it is only clear to me. I make these connections sometimes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysander

Lysander the 'ander' sounds familair, like Alexander, another famous Greek who corssed the hellespont and famous soldier. Alexander the Great of Macedon. Who ruled of ocurse in the 300'sBC. Do you see the connection again there Opusola?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great

Cyrus the Great, a ruler of the persians after all, and did  not the persian once come to conquere Greece but were stoppedby those brave 300, whose ancestor was the flower alexander, that Lysander? Hmmm, again see the connections? Leonidas was their King then, Leon, Lion, perhaps also a kingdom in Spain, perhaps the 300 got there as well, certainly another 300 from Spain came back amongst the Catalan Company.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopylae
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonidas_I


Do you see all the connections and how they all line up. 300 from Spain, 300 in Greece. Perhaps I am not being clear enought but then again sometimes I seem to be the only one to hit upon these connections, odd why others do not. Do you see it?

The Spartan 300, perhaps they did not end up the way we all imagine but left to go to France and Spain, setting up the kingdom of Leon there, named after perhaps Leonidas, do you see? Perhaps threir descendents were those of the Catalan Company who returned to Greece some time later, backed by their leader Roger the Flower, maybe a onetime city or ruler of Florence, See how they connect? Then again perhaps it was Lyon in France, the city of Leoonidas, giving his name to numerous cities in the same manner that Alexander the Great did to cities across his conquests. Yte noboyd choodes to comment upon this, whay is that do you think? The Connections jump from the page at me!!!


DO YOU SEE OPUSOLA! DO YOU SEE!


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Hey DW, you must have actually read some of my other work?

I CAN SEE IT!

Thanks for bringing such little things to the fore, where they can be compared to other places and times!

And, concerning our wonderful Lysander,he seems to have preceeded another personage, as you so well stated a man from "Lys" or "Lis?", the "Man from LYS" if you please! As you well recognize Greece was later called Frankish Greece!Flanders is a part of the Frankish Crusaders is it not? Especially if one looks at those men who became even more famous because of their lives and exploits in the East, or as they might well have called it Outremer!

And also from Flanders and near the Lys river system is the city called Lille! Of course it is not always spelled such, and I will later give some other examples,if needed, but for now you just might well consider that it actually stands for Isle!

And, as anyone familar with Medieval Europe can understand, almost every city of any impportance was literally an island unto itself, surrounded by rivers, walls, and moats, etc.!

Thus these men and women from these areas were literally a "People from the Isles" of Europe! The oldest part of Paris, was on the island in the middle of the Seine, for example, and the area around Paris was also called an Island, or the Isle deFrance!

All interesting thins, YES?

And, you managed to miss a few groups of 300 men who reportedly died in famous battles, such as Hughs deBrienne and his Knights of Death; the famous 300 homosexuals called the Sacred Band of Thebes, who were left a memorial by Phillip of Macedonia; and the group called the Fabi, who died at a city near Rome, whose 300 also died and surprisingly almost at the exact same time as the Spartans!; and the 300 Heruli; 300 Knights Templar, or Hospitalars, etc.!

Three hundred seems to be an amazing number especially if all of them were to die at the same time. History seems rife with examples! Could they all merely be the result of mere chance?

I could go on and on, but it would probably be useless!

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You know what else Opuslaol, Leonidas, Leon, Lyon - Lion like Richard the Lion heart, who though King of England spent a considerable time in his French lands, he has the heart oa Lion, perhaps he possessed a magical artifact, or a weapon of great p[ower, Leonidas heart itself, since perhaps the 300 didnt actuall all get finished off by Xerxes. A possibility perhaps? Hmmmmm yes connections forming!

You know what else has a Lion, Venice, a rival to florence in may respects, whose symbol is the Lion of St Mark, a saint whose bones they stole from Alexandrai, the Alexander the Great Lysnader connections again. Florence their rivals with the flower vs the city of the lion whose great relics they stole from Lys/Alexander the great. Amm I the only one to see the connections here.

But why would such a thing occur, why to fund House Tremere's heretical research at Ceoris, the other memebers of the Hermetic Order really should crack down on thoseblood amges before they end up summoning Yog-Sothtoth or Nyarlathothep or something and dooming us all. Do you see the connections opuslola? Do you, Its the Tremere again, curse them, thay have no shame.


But look, Portugal, a coastal country with a long seaborad right, the Port of the Gauls, Gallic Ports, and who else was a famous Gaul/Gal why none other than Galileo Galilei, do you see where this leads? Galieo famous for his astronomical measurements, certainly of great use to Porutgal, Henry the navigator and their globe spanning explorations now isnt it. See the connections the Possibilites? Perhaps the entire country of portugal was colonised by French men, the Gauls after all, and operhsps too Galileo was a Frenchman.? Connections and possibilites again, thoug best not let House Tytalus know, creepy bastatrds.

Do you see Opusola, do you see how Im mocking you?
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DW - you bettered opusiola at being opusiola. Keep in mind he is the best opusiola Mississippi can conceive.  
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That is indeed true. As per earlier post I am done on the matter
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Sep-2010 at 18:00
Thanks to all! I am fully chastised! I humble myself before my betters!

NOT!

You do not have to be "with me" but merely read my posts! That is, unless you are afraid you will loose your own free will, and become the same type of apostate that I have become?

Already TGS, is planning the demise of people who think like I think!

I must thank him for making my life more liviable! Enemies are best kept close, and as you can see TGS is close to me! As it appears cavalry4ever and DW have also become!

So, my brothers (sisters?) just where do we go from here?

Am I to be "shunned" by all of you? Are you all German/ Dutch Protestants?

Please get back into your horse drawn carts, and re-examine your past?

Love and kisses!

Cav4evr wrote: "a bunch of crap!"

And thanks Cav, for just another disparaging remark against the State and the people of Mississippi, as well as me!

You are rather an ASS! (as the Brits might well say?)

As I suppose are most of the people from your state?

Or would you defend your own state?

I would, however, defend Mississippi against you all!

It appears that both of you have basically declared "WAR!" Therefor, we will have to dismiss being nice to one another!

Or, do you disagree?

Note, all my above words are merel ancedotal!

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  Quote cavalry4ever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 10:29
My statement is ambivalent (its interpretation depend on one's complexes).
Instead of writing more nonsense, you should tell us what is great about Mississippi, preferably in another thread.



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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Sep-2010 at 17:04
The PEOPLE!

Nuff said!

And our grad student DW wrote;

"Do you see Opusola, do you see how Im mocking you?"

Mocking? I thought it was parroting?, like the "mocking bird!" You know, that thing that is the greatest part of admiration? Or some words to that effect?

Gee, just what is that term? Is it "parody?", No? Is it "copying?", No! Is it "impersonation?" Maybe?

Is it rude?

No! "Imitation is the greatest part of flattery!"

And, I am flattered that you chose me, and my ideas, and tried to imitate both me and my ideas!


Maybe I should try the same thing?

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