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Did Attila encounter racism while in Rome?

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    Posted: 25-Mar-2009 at 10:37
Originally posted by Reginmund

In Attila's time an average peasant in the Roman Empire got by on a subsistence minimum,
So did the average peasant anywhere.
and these were over 90% of the people, while less than 5% of the Roman population could reap the harvest of the empire's greatness and live the luxurious, civilized life we tend to associate with the Romans. (Source is Peter Heather's Fall of the Roman Empire).
Of how many societies is that not true?
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  Quote Reginmund Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Mar-2009 at 12:09
I wasn't trying to say the Roman Empire was exceptional in that regard, gcle2003. I was merely guarding myself against any suspicions of being one of those people who somewhat uncritically admire the Roman Empire and think of it as the greatest thing that happened to the ancient world without reservations.

If, however, I were to generalize based on my experience with nomadic steppe societies, then I'd presume Attila's realm was more egalitarian than the Roman Empire and that it lacked a comparable bureaucracy with which to govern and tax the populace. This could mean a higher quality of life for the average human, although the structure that provided it would be far more fragile and far less predictable.
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  Quote Leonardo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2009 at 08:54
Attila and the so-called Hunnic Empire were only a detail in history. They left nothing worth a mention. Period.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2009 at 16:34
Originally posted by Leonardo

Attila and the so-called Hunnic Empire were only a detail in history. They left nothing worth a mention. Period.
Congrats. Combat ignorance with a dose of ignorance!!! Leonardo what a gesture.
 
Sarcasm in case you didn't pick up Dead.
 
If they didn't leave anything worth mentioning then we wouldn't know them at all.
 
 
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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2009 at 17:42
Originally posted by Leonardo

Attila and the so-called Hunnic Empire were only a detail in history. They left nothing worth a mention. Period.


tell that to the inhabitants of Venice... Big smile
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  Quote Evrenosgazi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2009 at 17:55
Originally posted by Leonardo

Attila and the so-called Hunnic Empire were only a detail in history. They left nothing worth a mention. Period.
Funny man ha
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  Quote Hungo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2009 at 18:43
Originally posted by Temujin

Originally posted by Leonardo

Attila and the so-called Hunnic Empire were only a detail in history. They left nothing worth a mention. Period.


tell that to the inhabitants of Venice... Big smile


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Mar-2009 at 22:29
Originally posted by Hungo

"But, perhaps it is also the racism he encountered growing up amongst Romans that led him to a later path of anger, destruction and hate."

No hate and no anger. He wanted to demolish the evil and barbaric roman empire, who slaved half of europe. He came to free the tribes of europe. Thats why 60kings and high ranked tribe leaders were serving Attila.  He wanted to put an end of this empire what was based on slavery and corruption. Its not an offense againts nowdays italians, but thast the truth. teh rooman empire was no good for europe. Before the roman empire started to grow, all european people were forming tribes, and libve that way. nobody thought about making empire and slave the people there..

…Attila, rex hunorum, medorum, gotorum et danorum…"

---Attila, king of huns, medians, goths, dans (danish , but it referred to nordic people)---
Yes they sure served, as his vassals in a sense, except most were forced into vassalage. How about some objectivity for a change? The empire had problems, but so did Attila. Not like he wasn't brutal, and "barbaric" in behavior as head of state. Those behaviors were the sub routine of most heads of state of that time period.
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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2009 at 00:05
Originally posted by Temujin

Originally posted by Leonardo

Attila and the so-called Hunnic Empire were only a detail in history. They left nothing worth a mention. Period.


tell that to the inhabitants of Venice... Big smile


LOL

We can credit him with gutting Aquileia, but the survivors of that poor city deserve the credit for turning a heap of sandbanks into the marvel of Venice.

One has to admit, for all their potential, the Huns were one of the most underperforming of 'barbarian' people. Even a tribe as minor as the Suebes managed to establish their own independent homeland within the borders of the Roman world. They destroyed the most, preserved the least, and invented nor contributed virtually nothing during their flourish on the stage of history.
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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2009 at 18:11
Originally posted by Constantine XI

Even a tribe as minor as the Suebes


ahem... "minor"? Shocked
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  Quote Vorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2009 at 20:35
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  Quote Vorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2009 at 20:35
Originally posted by Hungo

"But, perhaps it is also the racism he encountered growing up amongst Romans that led him to a later path of anger, destruction and hate."

No hate and no anger. He wanted to demolish the evil and barbaric roman empire, who slaved half of europe. He came to free the tribes of europe.


LOL

Attila wanted to plunder the richest empire of the region and defeat his only rival. He definitely didn't give a damn about slaves or tribes.

And in case you didn't know, tribes also enslaved each other, since the dawn of time.



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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2009 at 22:58
Originally posted by Temujin

Originally posted by Constantine XI

Even a tribe as minor as the Suebes


ahem... "minor"? Shocked


They weren't as numerous as say, the Ostrogoths or Visigoths. Their kingdom within the Roman borders was a relatively small one.
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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Mar-2009 at 23:20
but you're aware that Markomanni, Quadi and Alemanni etc all were Suebi? and that Romans fought them more than any other Germanic tribe? i mean Franks and most of the other Germanic tribes took Roman lands almost unopposed at the end of Western Rome, while Suebi and related tribes were constantly beaten back during Rome's better days. were they not as close to Rome and such a threat to them as it was, and did they have come late like the others, they would have carved out a much larger empire than they actually had. 
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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Mar-2009 at 00:57
Originally posted by Temujin

but you're aware that Markomanni, Quadi and Alemanni etc all were Suebi? and that Romans fought them more than any other Germanic tribe? i mean Franks and most of the other Germanic tribes took Roman lands almost unopposed at the end of Western Rome, while Suebi and related tribes were constantly beaten back during Rome's better days. were they not as close to Rome and such a threat to them as it was, and did they have come late like the others, they would have carved out a much larger empire than they actually had. 


Actually you make a good point here, the Ostrogoths and Visigoths  and Franks had an easier time of things later in history.
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  Quote Gun Powder Ma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Jun-2010 at 18:03
Racism as an ideology was largely absent from the classical world; by the 3rd century AD, there were Roman emperors coming from the African and Asian provinces who would have fairly dark skin. If racism manifested itself, it would have taken the form of the economic discrimination as still in most parts of the world, but without the overarching rationalizing ideology.
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