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    Posted: 26-Oct-2013 at 09:25
How many sign do you remember in Greece which belong to Roman, Byzantine or modern Greece times?

If you know how to look, Greece is full with Ottoman signs and Anatolia is full with Byzantine signs
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Jul-2005 at 14:43

Aren't you bored of trying to post moronic posts against Greece? What do you do in your spare time, try to find topics where you can squeeze your BS?

I dont claim, pretend or stick on anything. I didnt post the topic and opened up that discussion, but when it is time for the truth, I just say the truth.

I'm just saying that I'm tired of stupid people, who have as their sole purpose in life, to promote nationalist propaganda without ever providing any kind of evidence or even clue, apart for their sick fantasy!

I am also tired of stupid people, that is why I was trying to ignore people's stupidity until that discussion was started. If you want me to open up a fiery discussion about that topic, then post my proofs etc., and then start a new transAegean arguement, then I will, if I can find any spare time for that.

My life purposes are way worthier than wasting it with trying to prove facts in international forums.
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Originally posted by Oguzoglu

I'm Bosnian and I take pride in my Ottoman past,  just like my turkish cousins here.

At least some sensible people are still left there. I am glad to meet someone who can realize that Ottoman Empire belonged to them as much as it belonged to Turks. Welcome bro...

ANd most bosnians are muslim, so they could be considered "muslim brothers", AND Ottoman Empire was a Islamic based Empire.. Of course he will feel it was more his than non muslim Greeks, Bulgarians, and Serbians..

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Well, in my 35 yrs of age I have been called old man, granpa, ancient ruin, etc (especially in the army). So "elder" is quite elegant, compared to these. I'll accept it.
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Originally posted by Murtaza

Well,  I will accept elders word.

Elders!!!  I think I hate you Murtaza, I'm merelly 37

J/K

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Well,  I will accept elders word.(Even They are greek,Menippos I hope you are  elder) Yes It is enough.

 
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Yup, strongly enough, my monitor just jumped from its place and landed on my ashtray.
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Originally posted by Murtaza

Yiannis, are you claming there  were not killing  after Balkain war?

Why do you think, Turks just  left their land at balkain war?

Claiming? I'm not claiming anything, I'm just saying that I'm tired of stupid people, who have as their sole purpose in life, to promote nationalist propaganda without ever providing any kind of evidence or even clue, apart for their sick fantasy!

Was that worded strongly enough?
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And there we go aaagaiiiinnnnnn.........................
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Yiannis, are you claming there  were not killing  after Balkain war?

Why do you think, Turks just  left their land at balkain war?

 

 

 

 
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Originally posted by Oguzoglu

In fact there were before massacred, Thesellanoiki (Selnik) was an important Ottoman city which had a dominant population of Turkish speakers.

The only thing that got "massacred", is your intelligence as well as your sense of reason!

Originally posted by Oguzoglu

The other survivors still exist in western Thrace

Actually, they live and prosper in peace and harmony. Which is waaaaaayyyyyyy more than what can be said for the Greeks of Istanbul, Imbros & Tenedos which were eliminated and forced to leave.

Aren't you bored of trying to post moronic posts against Greece? What do you do in your spare time, try to find topics where you can squeeze your BS?

 
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The minor ones that existed were of course destroyed, since there weren't any Ottomans around to support them

In fact there were before massacred, Thesellanoiki (Selnik) was an important Ottoman city which had a dominant population of Turkish speakers. After the Balkan Wars, most of the Turks of western Thrace and Thesellanoiki were massacred and part of the survivors came back to their motherlands. The other survivors still exist in western Thrace, but Greek government prefers to call them Muslim Greek instead of Turks.

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Originally posted by Oguzoglu

I'm Bosnian and I take pride in my Ottoman past,  just like my turkish cousins here.

At least some sensible people are still left there. I am glad to meet someone who can realize that Ottoman Empire belonged to them as much as it belonged to Turks. Welcome bro...



Yes most people dont realize that there was no such thing as Turkishness or Bosnianess , you were a Osman citizen first and then a Turk or Bosnian.  But a lot Balkan countries go to extremes to cover up their Ottoman past when in fact they welcomed the Ottomans more than the Byzantines.
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Originally posted by Iskender Bey ALBO

However, as Yiannis said, a great percentage of these Ottoman landmarks were systematicially destroyed by the Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, etc as to erase the marks of centuries of Ottoman rule.



This is a problem in the Balkans even today. For places like Kosovo where there is much more Serb HISTORY then population, the Kosovar feel threatened by it and thus move to destroy it. Ever last Ser Orthdox church, monistary etc... In one interesting occasion there were two churches one was a orthodox one and one was a catholic one, the Kosovar went about decimating the orthodox serb one but the catholic one was left absolutely untouched. This goes for Serbs also, the destruction of mosques in places of Bosnia and Kosovo gives a clue as to their intenetions. To destroy any eastern legacy in an area they want to control...Well not just eastern, more like enemy legacy would be more fitting.

Interesting about the bread part. "Bouk" is how it is said in Alb... I dont get it Phallanx, how can you say...Arvanitic is a Greek dialect when nearly all studies make it clear that it is a dilect derived from Tosk Albanian... Can you understand Arvanitik? I sure can... It may be a little difficult due to the Greek influence over the years but when it comes to reading their stuff, I can fine...(Note there are links within the words but they may be hard to see)

BTw phallanx, Great copy and paste.



the serbs started provoking the Kosovoar first.   It was Milosevic's sick ideas of serb nationalism that got thousands killed in Kosovo.
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I'm Bosnian and I take pride in my Ottoman past,  just like my turkish cousins here.

At least some sensible people are still left there. I am glad to meet someone who can realize that Ottoman Empire belonged to them as much as it belonged to Turks. Welcome bro...
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Originally posted by Moustafa Pasha

Nine tenths f Turkish mmonuments in the Balkans including Greece have been destroyed.

Well, there weren't many Ottoman monuments that stood the course of time in Greece. The minor ones that existed were of course destroyed, since there weren't any Ottomans around to support them. There wasn't much attention to foreign cultural heritage in the early 19th century. Plus there weren't  any palaces or great mosques.  Can you think of one?

Other structures, like forts or significant mosques, were preserved.
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However, as Yiannis said, a great percentage of these Ottoman landmarks were systematicially destroyed by the Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, etc as to erase the marks of centuries of Ottoman rule.



This is a problem in the Balkans even today. For places like Kosovo where there is much more Serb HISTORY then population, the Kosovar feel threatened by it and thus move to destroy it. Ever last Ser Orthdox church, monistary etc... In one interesting occasion there were two churches one was a orthodox one and one was a catholic one, the Kosovar went about decimating the orthodox serb one but the catholic one was left absolutely untouched. This goes for Serbs also, the destruction of mosques in places of Bosnia and Kosovo gives a clue as to their intenetions. To destroy any eastern legacy in an area they want to control...Well not just eastern, more like enemy legacy would be more fitting.

Interesting about the bread part. "Bouk" is how it is said in Alb... I dont get it Phallanx, how can you say...Arvanitic is a Greek dialect when nearly all studies make it clear that it is a dilect derived from Tosk Albanian... Can you understand Arvanitik? I sure can... It may be a little difficult due to the Greek influence over the years but when it comes to reading their stuff, I can fine...(Note there are links within the words but they may be hard to see)

BTw phallanx, Great copy and paste.



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Nine tenths f Turkish mmonuments in the Balkans including Greece have been destroyed. What remained of Turkish culture are Music,food e.g greek coffee,Souflaki=shish Kebab,dolmadis= Dolma or stuffed vegetables,vine leaves= yalangi dolma,Ouzo=Raki,and so on.The list is too long to write down. I forgot baclava and halva.

 

 
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Originally posted by Kenaney

"Why turks didnt leave many signs of their culture in Greece?"

Bcuz most of them whas been bommed, destroyed after Ottoman empire had lost the war.

Do you wanna know a Turkish sign in youre culture? Listin to a local greek radio and if you can to a Turkish one. The melodys of the music are the same but language ofcourse differs.

Wanna know another sign?

Food:

Tsorbas = orba

Burek = brek

sarma = sarma

and i saw on TV even kebab lol

those are all Turkish signs in youre culture and country.



dont forget baklava

there are many arabic and middle eastern foods that greeks claim for themselves


I'm Bosnian and I take pride in my Ottoman past,  just like my turkish cousins here.
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Originally posted by Odysseas

There is no doubt that the Ottoman empire was a great
one and not just a slaughter for conquest. A question
that raised quite naturally to me is, why the period of
Turkish domination over the peninsula, which lasted
more than 400 years, is considered a static and
retrograded period? I mean, with a new conquest there
is a positive impact to the economy and the peninsula
was (is) as strategic point of military and trading
advantage. Why there are no ruins (except very few
temples) or cultural evidence of an empire? To be more
precise, take Sicily for example. There are evidence of
greek culture all over the island plus the very
beautiful city of Palermo is a jewel of Arab dominance
(831 DC) . I am not saying that there was no cultural
mixing and maybe there were big monuments that I ignore
or worse have been destroyed. I am open to any
correction or help , this is my first post here so
please be comprehensive.


because they were all destroyed and the populace deported

Go to Bosnia and you will see a vivid display of Ottoman civilization
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