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Topic: Creation of Islam Posted: 22-Jan-2009 at 13:52 |
The fact is that he was just a merchant who travelled to some neighbour countires of Arabia and learnt somethings from the followers of those religion (of course not very good, anyway he was illiterate and could just rely on his memory) and came back home and narrated them to the people of an isolated desert region, who had never heard these things,
Yeah, Yeah Prophet was only one who interested with trade..
Now It make sense..
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Posted: 22-Jan-2009 at 13:13 |
Originally posted by Suren
Are you serious Cyrus? I hope not! |
Astaghfirallah!
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Posted: 22-Jan-2009 at 08:50 |
Edited to make sure no body misunderstand.
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Posted: 22-Jan-2009 at 08:44 |
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I want really to know the self created religion of this illiterate man which was just a heterogeneous mixture of Christianity, Judaism and pagan religions such as Mazdakism, Manichaeism and Zoroastrianism, could be a divine religion?!! |
IMHO, there is no such thing. Just cult leaders, petty ones and larger-than-life ones. The really good ones are able to do just what you describe: they take bits and pieces and build a brand new model. Like a car manufacturer. They use succesful things from earlier designs, add a few new twists, and come out with a shiny new religion. The petty ones just mimic the great ones in a watered-down sort of way, and are quickly forgotten. The really great ones are very rare, because it requires a very unique combination of talents. They have to be brilliant, true geniuses, in order to create a very appealing religious system which can mesmerize people, and they have to be extremely charismatic to get it off the ground. Genius and charisma tend to be a rare combination, all the more so when both qualities are taken to such extreme heights. Figures like this were probably like a cross between Einstein and Kennedy (or, perhaps to be more current, Obama and Stephen Hawking). You get a combination like that and they're going to do something incredible ... really transform the world, shake it to its roots ... even though I don't consider them to have been talking directly to God, I can definately understand how such a person could give that impression. It would very much seem that way if you were to meet someone like that in person. Some of them probably posed as gods, themselves.
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Posted: 22-Jan-2009 at 08:07 |
Viva Abu muslim.
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Posted: 22-Jan-2009 at 07:56 |
you must tell ali sina this fact and destroy the foundation of islam, the wold must know the truth cyrus, zoroaster zindabad, israel zindabad and shahmiri zindabad
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Posted: 22-Jan-2009 at 07:50 |
Originally posted by Suren
Originally posted by es_bih
And the fun continues...
I was going to say more, but I will let this brilliant comment by Omar do it for me:
Originally posted by Omar
(And seriously, the Sassanids lost 1300 years ago. Get over it already!)
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Posted: 22-Jan-2009 at 07:44 |
Originally posted by es_bih
And the fun continues...
I was going to say more, but I will let this brilliant comment by Omar do it for me:
Originally posted by Omar
(And seriously, the Sassanids lost 1300 years ago. Get over it already!)
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Posted: 22-Jan-2009 at 07:43 |
Are you serious Cyrus? I hope not!
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Posted: 22-Jan-2009 at 07:40 |
And the fun continues... I was going to say more, but I will let this brilliant comment by Omar do it for me:
Originally posted by Omar
(And seriously, the Sassanids lost 1300 years ago. Get over it already!)
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Posted: 22-Jan-2009 at 06:45 |
There is a thread in "Philosophy and Theology" forum with the title: "Who was jesus, Prophet?", it is good that I also ask here "Who was Muhammad, prophet?"
I want really to know the self created religion of this illiterate man which was just a heterogeneous mixture of Christianity, Judaism and pagan religions such as Mazdakism, Manichaeism and Zoroastrianism, could be a divine religion?!! The fact is that he was just a merchant who travelled to some neighbour countires of Arabia and learnt somethings from the followers of those religion (of course not very good, anyway he was illiterate and could just rely on his memory) and came back home and narrated them to the people of an isolated desert region, who had never heard these things, The book, which was collected later from his stories, is full of errors. There are numrous non-Arbaic (Greek, Persian, Latin, ...) relgious words in this book, that about most of them, we see the narrator had not understood the meaning of them correctly, like the word al-Fardos (Paradise)!
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