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Topic: Croatia's borders Posted: 02-Dec-2008 at 03:04 |
Yes wiki link is that much better.
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Posted: 02-Dec-2008 at 20:34 |
Serbs DID settle in the area that is western Poland and Eastern germany, the Lusatian Sorbs are remnants of that settlement. No doubt that they settled in eastern Germany, but do not think in Poland. Serb-like names re dispersed throughout Poland and not concentrated in blue area. As per Kiev that's right that Ruryk founded dynasty, but not a city itself
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Posted: 03-Dec-2008 at 03:45 |
not that it matters, Im just basing this off what i read from the site but why do you say not western Poland? did professor Vlahovic make an error? (just wanna know where you're getting your information from and why this piece of information should be disregarded)
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Posted: 03-Dec-2008 at 14:19 |
OK, in few days I'll support my point
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Posted: 03-Dec-2008 at 21:44 |
To precise my point: western Poland- no, while between Nysa and Laba(German y) -yes. Why? As far as i know the only traces after serbs in Poland are the names of villages. But if we take it's proof for settlement we should also believe in Hungarian, Moravian, Venice, Russian, and few othwers settlements. Of course If we talk about condensed settlement - the subject tribe forms vast majority in population. There's condensed area still populated by Serbs, Łużyce, that has little if any with polish territory.
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Posted: 03-Dec-2008 at 21:47 |
Polabije, Velijikopolska and Pomorje are claimed by Professor Vlahovic to be of Poland today what is apparently not correct - Polabiej is german territory today, while Veljikopolska and Pomorje polish
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Posted: 04-Dec-2008 at 02:32 |
I think Norman Davies would disagree with you on the point you made about the "sarb" "serb" names left behind in Polish villages, in his book "Gods Playground" he actually mentions the White Croatians and White Serbians in Poland and as proof of the names of villages and such he hints that they may show proof that Poland was more than just a settlement for western slavs but for slavs in general. Check it out, I can quote it in Polish if you'd like but I dont know if you'd get anything from that. Maybe check it out at the library in my book its on page 65. Yes Polabians settled along the Elbe so I agree with you on that one.
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Posted: 04-Dec-2008 at 13:38 |
Originally posted by Sarmata
I dont mean to get off course in the conversation but I was just thinking, if the Serbs were in the area where the Sorbs are today and I read the white croatians were centered around Poland's Krakow (Chrobacja), you guys think the early Croats and Serbs might have somehow been closely related to the Polish Slavic tribes? I mean the language similarity is there. Alan tribes were in southern Poland as well... just a thought. |
Firstly, we must come with an assumption that White Serbia is not something 100% certain. This is just theorizing. Second of all, there is a total of three possible locations for it - only one of them being in Poland. But naturally, there are some historical mentions of Serbs & Croats in Poland's region (I am of no knowledge that the toponymia is preserved to present day however)...
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Posted: 04-Dec-2008 at 17:03 |
As per toponyms:there are very limited Chorvat - like toponyms whough presence of horvats are better proven; while there's much more toponyms like Serb/Sarb. As per Norman Davies i read this book few years ago and that was quite interesting, perhaps I'll come back to initial chapter
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Posted: 21-Aug-2013 at 09:20 |
Fascinating thread, so bad the forum died a little...
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Posted: 03-Nov-2013 at 18:11 |
Originally posted by Carpathian Wolf
Originally posted by Styrbiorn
Not a good map, as far as political boundaries go. There was no Serbia at that time, merely a bunch of principalities, Zeta and Rascia being the most prominent, but also several other, eg Bosnia and Dioclea. In the year 1000 they were all under Roman control at that.Croatia was under its height in the end of the 11th century just before it was incorporated into the Hungarian crown. It covered pretty much todays borders plus most of modern B&H. |
There was no Serbia as we know it today but to say there was no Serbia at all is to ignore the Emperor's "De Administrando Imperio". The Croats at the end of the 11th century did have large parts of Bosnia but a century earlier Bosnia is counted among the lands of the Serbs and would mostly be so until the advances of the Turks and the Turkification of some Serbs into "Bosniaks." |
Who told you that ? Bosniaks were way before the turks came, they also were the ones that were resisting the turks the most. Dont forget the Bosnian Church, Bosancica that is a cyrilic script that serbia uses today and the language Bosnian that serbs and croats today say its their Croatian, Serbian or Serbo-Croatian..
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Posted: 05-Nov-2013 at 08:44 |
Bosn. when looking over any threads or posts by carpathian wolf, better to read them a couple times, and think before you answer.
He was one of the first folks I banned as a mod here. He's a badly informed ultra nationalist.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2013 at 14:22 |
Balkan spam tread&post...Are you not tired after all those wars and poverty in your countries after conflicts?!?Western countries in Ex-Yugoslavia had income per capita over 1000Eu montly...Now you have unemployment and heads full with alusions.Period.
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Posted: 05-Nov-2013 at 16:25 |
Originally posted by medenaywe
Are you not tired after all those wars and poverty in your countries after conflicts?!? |
Actually, you are wrong. All of them were under the control of Ottoman or Austria-Hungary Empire so they didn't have a change to fight
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Posted: 05-Nov-2013 at 23:57 |
..and after they had been tired by their fullish behavior they run away from there. Most of them say:Turks left us couse we "cought them on condition" after 500 years!!!!
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Posted: 19-Nov-2013 at 05:51 |
Originally posted by bosnjak6
Originally posted by Carpathian Wolf
Originally posted by Styrbiorn
Not a good map, as far as political boundaries go. There was no Serbia at that time, merely a bunch of principalities, Zeta and Rascia being the most prominent, but also several other, eg Bosnia and Dioclea. In the year 1000 they were all under Roman control at that.Croatia was under its height in the end of the 11th century just before it was incorporated into the Hungarian crown. It covered pretty much todays borders plus most of modern B&H. |
There was no Serbia as we know it today but to say there was no Serbia at all is to ignore the Emperor's "De Administrando Imperio". The Croats at the end of the 11th century did have large parts of Bosnia but a century earlier Bosnia is counted among the lands of the Serbs and would mostly be so until the advances of the Turks and the Turkification of some Serbs into "Bosniaks." |
Who told you that ? Bosniaks were way before the turks came, they also were the ones that were resisting the turks the most. Dont forget the Bosnian Church, Bosancica that is a cyrilic script that serbia uses today and the language Bosnian that serbs and croats today say its their Croatian, Serbian or Serbo-Croatian.. |
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