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    Posted: 05-Apr-2009 at 16:21
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An excellent question Mr. Sarmat.
And one that should be fielded by those who actually define white as "Nordic only".
Whether they do so knowledgeably is perhaps another matter.
 
So, you're one of those who define "White" as "Nordic only."


No, I had not endorsed that view, but I was replying to someone who does. I merely pointed out what would be the inevitable conclusion from their definition.

I still don't uderstand, cause even Nazis considered some Slavic people very "Nordic."

 
Possibly, but overall, the Nazis would depict the Slavs in a manner that differentiated them from Nordics. Additionally, the Nazis were not very nice to the Slavs...there shouldn't be any illusions about that.

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Until I heard a Neo-Nazi try to disguise himself as a "Kurd", I had no idea that some of the Nazis have a sense of humor. A few of them think that they are natural-born comedians, apparently.

Unfortunately, it's a rather sick, twisted sense of humor they have.

back off, his a Kurd.

This thread will close on the next rubbish post. while all deviate posts will be hidden"

Could one rightly believe that Leonidas was somewhat prejudiced? Or at the very least, a stuck up ?? He actually used the word "deviate" to describe a prior post!

At least I think of him as "funny!"

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So, the ancestry of Achaemenids, the jury is still out, I guess.
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  Quote Ince Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-May-2010 at 08:31
Originally posted by Shield-of-Dardania

So, the ancestry of Achaemenids, the jury is still out, I guess.


Their is a high amount of Haplogroup 12a found among Kurds and Iranians, higher in North Iran, but is low or absent among Indo-Aryans.   Their is a higher amount of Haplogroup I2a then R1a1, among West Iranian people. Confused Haplogroup I2a is found highest among Eastern Europeans.  So it could be that Iranians moved to Asia later then then Indo-Aryans, and braught with them Haplogroup I2a?
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He is another version of Ahmadi nejad (death be upon him).
Another Ahmedinajad demoniser. Why? I think he's a cool guy. He's a true patriotic son of Iran. With the balls to go along with it. If I were an Iranian, I'd be proud as hell of him.
 
On top of that, if you really check him out, with zero bias and prejudice, he's got more brains, academically speaking, than George 'Me Tarzan, You Jane' Bush, Bush Sr., Bill Clinton and Barack Obama combined.
 
He's a university lecturer, a serious technical one, with a PhD in chemistry. Not just some phoney-fakey, babble-until-the cows-go-home, political-science-graduate, expert-wannabe.
 
He's a latter-day Indo-Iranian hero, a modern Rushtam, who dares stand up against much mightier foes. If there're a few more Ahmedinajads around in West Asia, maybe West Asians wouldn't be dominated n pushed about so much by the imperialist big powers flamed by their lap-dog sidekicks.


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  Quote Molokane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-May-2010 at 21:12
Originally posted by Shield-of-Dardania

Originally posted by Suren

He is another version of Ahmadi nejad (death be upon him).
Another Ahmedinajad demoniser. Why? I think he's a cool guy. He's a true patriotic son of Iran. With the balls to go along with it. If I were an Iranian, I'd be proud as hell of him.
 
On top of that, if you really check him out, with zero bias and prejudice, he's got more brains, academically speaking, than George 'Me Tarzan, You Jane' Bush, Bush Sr., Bill Clinton and Barack Obama combined.
 
He's a university lecturer, a serious technical one, with a PhD in chemistry. Not just some phoney-fakey, babble-until-the cows-go-home, political-science-graduate, expert-wannabe.
 
He's a latter-day Indo-Iranian hero, a modern Rushtam, who dares stand up against much mightier foes. If there're a few more Ahmedinajads around in West Asia, maybe West Asians wouldn't be dominated n pushed about so much by the imperialist big powers flamed by their lap-dog sidekicks.



You better be kidding. Anybody who denies the Holocaust is insane beyond words.
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I have personally visited Iran seldom, and my parents have lived there since their 20's and emigrated to the Americas.
No, I was not kidding at all. Sorry to dissappoint you.
 
You don't know Iran at all. You don't understand what's good for Iran. You are speaking through an American-born, American-bred, American-shaped mind. Have you ever lived outside of America, or perhaps the American sphere of influence, for any significant part of your life? I don't think so.
 
What's good for America is not necessarily good for Iran. You don't completely define a man, any man, by just one lone statement he makes. You define him by his actions, or series of actions. By this criterion, over the years 2002 - 2005, which world leader was insane beyond words?
 
Can you deny that America's vengeful, spiteful actions - prosecuted despite and over the vehement protestations of the UN and much of the rest of the world - resulted in over 550,000 deaths in Iraq, a country which had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with WTC 9/11? Not to mention the irreparable destruction to Iraq's infrastructure, economy and political stability.


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It seems I don't know Iran too!!
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  Quote Molokane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-May-2010 at 16:58
Originally posted by Shield-of-Dardania

Originally posted by Molokane

I have personally visited Iran seldom, and my parents have lived there since their 20's and emigrated to the Americas.
No, I was not kidding at all. Sorry to dissappoint you.
 
You don't know Iran at all. You don't understand what's good for Iran. You are speaking through an American-born, American-bred, American-shaped mind. Have you ever lived outside of America, or perhaps the American sphere of influence, for any significant part of your life? I don't think so.
 
What's good for America is not necessarily good for Iran. You don't completely define a man, any man, by just one lone statement he makes. You define him by his actions, or series of actions. By this criterion, over the years 2002 - 2005, which world leader was insane beyond words?
 
Can you deny that America's vengeful, spiteful actions - prosecuted despite and over the vehement protestations of the UN and much of the rest of the world - resulted in over 550,000 deaths in Iraq, a country which had nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with WTC 9/11? Not to mention the irreparable destruction to Iraq's infrastructure, economy and political stability.



My family who has lived in Iran their entire lives hate him. All those riots, all those protests, all those sacrifices and freedom of speech are lead by Pro-Mir Hossein followers. Tell them they don't know Iran at all, that they don't know what's good for their own country.
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  Quote Shield-of-Dardania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-May-2010 at 21:02

Regarding Mousavi, I don't know as much about him as I do Mahmud, So I can't really say so much. He looks like a nice guy, with his glamorous Indo-European looks. But I would be wary when someone is being hyped up so much by American media.  If he's good, all well and good. But if it was me, I wouldn't want to chose someone who eventually turns out to be a puppet. Because I wouldn't want a puppet to lead the land of my kinsmen. His good looks notwithstanding. I hope Mousavi is not the puppet type.

Foreign propaganda can be very powerful. It can easily mislead the susceptible, easily influenced masses. It can, and has, brought down and subsequently destroyed countries which were too weak to withstand its power.
 
You guys maybe could take a leaf from China's book. Their leadership - their firm, strong, unbowing, unbending leadership - has managed, with not a little amount of effort, not to succumb to American pressure and propaganda. Has their country done too badly? Not at all, has it?
 
Gorbachev wanted to follow every wish of America, bent over backwards to please America at every turn. Look at what happened to the Soviet Union eventually. Luckily, strongman Vladimir appeared in time to stop the slide and save Russia from further degeneration and destruction by external forces.
 
But Deng Xiao Ping and Jiang Ze Min took a different path than Gorbachev. They didn't just allow anybody to tell them what to do. They dictated their own terms, and they made sure the people followed them. You can see the results now. Under their able, capable, equally firm, equally strong successors, Hu Jin Tao and Wen Jia Bao. They have even managed to keep the Communist Party intact and in power, thereby maintaining political stability, while in the economics sphere beating the Americans at their own capitalist game.
 
Gorbachev was presentable, acceptable, glamorous and popular, and he didn't drink as much as Boris. But he allowed the Americans to pull him here, there and everywhere, like a cow pulled by the nose. American media managed to convince the Russians that Gorby was the man to take Russia to a better place. By the time the Russians realised otherwise, the damage had been done, and it was irreparable and irreversible.
 
Perhaps Turkey is another model you might like to consider. They keep a fairly good working and business relationship with US, is still a member of NATO, but does not feel the need to toe the American line all the time.
 
One day,when your country is ready, then you guys can have all the freedom, all the liberalism, all the free speech that you want. But you can't have all of that now, overnight, at the expense of the country's stability and integrity. Irregardless of what you see or hear on CNN, CBS, ABC, Times Warner etc. It will be destructive, to say the least.
 
Sometimes, our impatience gets the better of us, and we move in haste because we believe that would make us reach somewhere faster. Then we hit a rock in the road and stumble, and get ourself injured, and we end up arriving even later. Injured.


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It seems I don't know Iran too!!
Just giving Molo some honest, hearfelt views, Cyr. Because I love Iran and want the best for Iran. Even if I'm not an Iranian.
 
You know, I even felt unhappy when the Malaysian organisers of a locally organised international defence exhibition, 2 years ago, sealed up the Iranian booth for displaying miniature missiles. Honestly, I thought they did so under strong American pressure.
 
Unhappy again this year, after reading that our Cabinet had passed the Strategic Trade Act 2010, which would penalise firms for conducting trade with other firms involved in business believed to be related to or contributing to 'nuclear proliferation'. It would hurt countries like Iran, I know, but cause zero damage against the established nuke powers. I mean, this is the height of hypocrisy, isn't it?  The world's biggest nuclear power - and the sole previous nuke bomb user - threatening others not to develop their own nuke capability. And we pandering to its wishes.
 
Well, it earned our current PM some nice pats on the back in Washington, but then ... naaahhhh ... Dr. Mahathir wouldn't have done that, I'm pretty sure. He wouldn't have sealed up the Iranian booth either. Nope. Now a part of me starts wishing that Mahathir could come back and lead again ...Confused
 
Mahathir & Mahmud. They'd make a good pair, I think.Approve
 


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Originally posted by Shield-of-Dardania

 He looks like a nice guy, with his glamorous Indo-European looks.



Nice guy? That nice guy was involved in the 70's crisis where they took American hostages. That nice guy wants all of Israel exterminated. He hangs homosexuals in the street and denies the massacre of eleven million people.

Indo-European? The guy looks like a cross between an Arab and a chimp.
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  Quote Shield-of-Dardania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-May-2010 at 01:38

Huh? Now you've got me confused. I thought you were a big fan of Mir Hossein. Let me get this right. So you're saying even Mousavi wants Israel exterminated? In that case, you might as well stick to Mahmud.

Other than that, maybe you could have Mousavi next time, after Mahmud's second term. That's if there's a law in Iran limiting the presidency to 2 terms.


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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-May-2010 at 03:20
Shield-of-Dardania, you have certainly read the history and know about the situation of societies that religionists and extremists ruled, the problem is the regime, not Mahmud or Mirhussein, both of them are religionists, it is clear that people have to choose bad between bad and worse, but Ahmadinejad is also a dangerous idiot, would you please mention just ONE Iranian scholar who has supported him? For example do you know why almost all great Iranian directors, like Makhmalbaf and Kiarostami, have left the country and several other ones, like Jafar Panahi, are already in prison in Iran?
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  Quote Shield-of-Dardania Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-May-2010 at 03:54

I don't know if I can agree that Mahmud is such a dangerous idiot, frankly speaking. To me, the most dangerous idiot of recent times is the one with the initials GWB. I mean, we were all lucky he somehow didn't manage to cause WWIII. He almost did, actually.

My honest opinion is that Mahmud, whether religionist or otherwise, has played brilliant brinksmanship while holding firm and keeping his wits about him as a leader, when all around him the global political weather was as turbulent as the North Sea in December, mostly due to America's suddenly renegade unilateralism that time. Nope, you can't play soft with someone like GWB. Or Benjamin Netanyahu for that matter. They'll just steamroll their way over you. 
 
Hard core dissenters and opposition activists in prison? No big deal. Happens everywhere. China, Russia, Pakistan, Turkey, Venezuela, Egypt, Syria, you name it.
 
I don't know much about the scholars, but scholars generally live in their own make-believe world. They just can't do politics. It's just a different kettle of fish altogether.Approve
 
Mahmud himself, though, is a scholar, and a rare species among scholars. One with brilliant and proven political skill and pragmatism. In that sense he's very similar to Mahathir.
 
But if you specifically meant a religious scholar, i.e. ulama, then perhaps those two may not fully satisfy the definition.
 
I don't know for sure, but I believe that, over the long term, the theocracy in Iran will gradually evolve into a more moderate Islamic regime. Perhaps something closer to today's Turkey.
 
I mean, Mahmud himself never, ever wears that cleric's dress and headgear. Which Mohammed Khatami used to do at least  once in a while, and Hashemi Rafsanjani did rather often. It will just take time. You can't rush it, I don't think.Approve


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"Mahmud himself, though, is a scholar!" LOL Of course he is a scholar but like his interior minister Dr. Kordan! Wink If you ask a kid in Iran "How are you?" then he/she will reply "I'm fine" but Ahmadinejad answered "Yes!" when Mevedev asked him this question!
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Well, maybe Medvedev's accent was so thick that his 'How are you' sounded like 'Khow rrr you', and Mahmud thought he was speaking a Russian phrase that he couldn't understand. So he simply said 'Yes' by way of courtesy.Approve
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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-May-2010 at 08:31

Just search for "Ahmadinejad Medvedev" in Google videos:
Click Here Of course it is not strange for me and other Iranians that he doesn't know English and even the meaning or pronunciation of some Persian words that an average Persian knows but the problem is that he is an absolute idiot, he reads a Persian text that others gave him with several pronunciation errors at the UN and comes back and says: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6457680.ece

“A member of the (Iranian) delegation told me, ’I saw a light that surrounded you,”’ Mr Ahmadinejad said on the tape.
“I sensed it myself too ... I felt the atmosphere changed. All leaders in audience didn’t blink for 27, 28 minutes. I’m not exaggerating when I’m saying they didn’t blink. Everybody had been astonished ... they had opened their eyes and ears to see what is the message from the Islamic Republic.”

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He had a halo around him? Well. Wow. All well and good for him then. Maybe he's the new Aryamehr.Thumbs Up

Seriously, though, it was all those cameras focusing on him. He was just making a light joke out of something serious. You have to understand his devilish sense of humour.Approve
 
He can't speak English? Well then how on earth did he manage to get a PhD in chemistry then? He did his PhD in Persian? Wow.
 
Medvedev, Hu Jin Tao, Hatoyama and the Korean prez can't all speak English either. You see, they always give their official addresses in Russian, Mandarin, Japanese and Korean, respectively.
 


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You just don't know the situation of Iran, you can be a basiji and then get a PhD in some days, in Iran you can even claim to have a PhD from Oxford University and then become interior minister, like what Kordan did, it really doesn't matter that Oxford University denies it! This university just responded to an inquiry by Alef news agency and then Ahmadinejad ordered Alef is banned!

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