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    Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 06:59
Originally posted by Seko

 
Panther the notion of the US being militaristic has entered into this discussion.
 
I'm not sure i understand this statement. I thought i understood it had? Probably should have erased a paragraph, when composing my last post, but instead... had a brainfart? My apologies.
 
Of course China, militarily, hasn't shown the capability to take over the vaccum. However, you said that is what a lot of people want. Really? Being sarcastic or did I miss something?
 
 
No, i wasn't originally trying to be sarcastic. Just my readings i've gathered from around the web. The coverage in the press and the multitude of theorizing of what comes next for China has been discussed on left, center & right of the political spheres.  I guess i should have chosen my words & sentence structure a bit better. Or perhaps, just struck that paragraph out completely
 
Yes many foreigners want Obama for president. Not a war monger nor a spend thirft. Is that so amusing?
 
It's just a difference in how i see things differently from others. Speaking solely for myself and nobody else... i rarely care to tell people what foreign leader i support, and whom they should elect as to lead their country! As far as i am concerned Bush may be a spend thrift, but i certainly do not think he is a warmonger! Anyways, I don't usally find political opinions amusing, just interesting. Hopes this helps clarify, what my other post probably left out?
 
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Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor

 
Therefore, I like the fact that Palin seems to be standing for some core conservative principles: pro-life (yes, her daughter made the right decision, call me a hypocrite if you want),
If you disapprove of her (and her mother) getting pregnant extra-maritally but think she was then right to have the baby, that's not hypocritical.
 
But what does it say for the Palins' sense of 'family values'?
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Maharbbal,
 
I don't have a EU passport, and I tend to hang around political rallies, so I get questioned by the oh-so-liberal British police all the time (on average once a year, at least for 30 minutes each time). Once it was during entry to the UK in an airport. They were more civilised compared to the people who questioned you, though. Before anyone starts bashing the Brits, I should also mention that the worst border harrassment I experienced was by a French fascist (although it was just once out of many times, last few times it was like what you wrote, 1 minute passport check) and the worst visa experience was with the Belgians. I hope Belgium gets partitioned between France and Holland soon. 
 
BE,
First of all, I think George W. Bush has progressively (no pun intended) gone to the left of the spectrum since his re-election, especially with respect to illegal immigration and fiscal policies.
 
 
Increasing government spending does not mean you are a leftist. Hitler, Mussolini, Reagan all increased government spending. Important thing is what are you spending the money on. These fascists (and Bush) spend it on weapons and war and corporate welfare. Only an American could call this state of affairs 'becoming leftist'.
 
Panther,
 
i rarely care to tell people what foreign leader i support, and whom they should elect as to lead their country!
 
If the American President did not go around bombing countries, nobody would have cared who you elect.
 
As far as i am concerned Bush may be a spend thrift, but i certainly do not think he is a warmonger!
 
Are you for real or trolling us?
 
Graham,
 
But what does it say for the Palins' sense of 'family values'?
 
I can't believe for a moment that a developed country contemplates putting this creature in charge of anything
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I hope Belgium gets partitioned between France and Holland soon. 
Can Luxembourg have the bits of old Luxembourg back please? We need the Liewensraum.
 
 
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Originally posted by Seko

She is a biggot and not what I think the US needs. Bad judgement, ignorant, redneck, hippie chick, psuedo conservative. Yeah, she supports her daughter's marriage. Duh? But her daughter screwed around and got knocked up. Is this the leadership America is looking for?
 
Just because she believes in the exclusivity of Christianity because it is her faith she is a bigot?  Where does it say that one has to believe in the universality of all religions in order to become President/VP?
 
I am sure there are a few Congresspeople who would like to exclude Christianity from the group of "acceptable" religions that they have concocted based on comments they have made in the past.  Are they deserving of the same label?
 
The same people who are trashing Palin in a sudden epiphany of moral rectitude saying "If she stands for abstinence, how could she have allowed her daughter to have pre-marital sex and become pregnant" and "do conservatives suddenly agree with this alternative family arrangement" would have gone out of their way to condemn her if it had instead been uncovered that she had been quite strict with her daughters concerning their freedoms while living under her roof.  If this had happened, Palin would have been trashed as a domineering, Christian fundy nutcase.  Oh wait, she is already being called that.  Is this a double standard?
 
Of course, Christian conservatives are not suddenly going to bactrack and redefine their positions on sexual morality just because Palin is supposedly a conservative and her daughter conceived out of wedlock.  The important thing is how she and her family chose to deal with it.
 
Originally posted by Seko

- She isn't green. Wants drilling the Alaska's wildlife Refuge, which her boss, McCain, opposes
 
- She could care less about polar bears as she opposed a bill making them a threatened (protected) species.
 
The former shows that she is more conservative than McCain on using the resources we have in the country already in an effort to achieve "energy independence."  What does the latter have to do with any of the real issues that face the country?  Why bring it up?  Just because I ask this don't think that I don't care about polar bears or endangered species.
 
Originally posted by Seko

Back when she was mayor of a small town called Wasilla, Alaska she had shown her meddle in the 'Librarian' incident. Palin and her cohorts (conservative Pentecostals at the time) told the town librarian to remove certain books from the shelves. "Go Ask Alice" and "Pastor, I am Gay". The librarian refused and felt they were controlling her and their request was a form of censorship. The librarian reminded Palin that books were purchased in accordance to national standards and professional guidelines and would not allow their removal. Palin fired that brave librarian. The community was in an uproar and the librarian was reinstated. She only lasted another two years as she found it difficult to work under Palin's thumb.
 
Reading beyond the smearing headlines, it was later found out that the librarian could not even remember specific titles that Palin supposedly said should be removed.  The "list" that was circulated by the media smear squad was proven to be a phony as it had books that had not even been published at the time this incident supposedly occurred.  It was an amalgamated list of books that had been banned in other places over the past century which the media tried to say Palin created.  The original context of the question, to which our valiant librarian objected, was "what is the process for banning a book and what would you do if people were picketing the library."
 
Originally posted by Seko

Palin agrees with US militarism. Though she calls herself non-denominational, she still views Islam as being a false religion. How grande! Who is to judge? Pentecostals of course thrown in with the occasional Catholic.
 
On Iraq Palin believes this is a holy war, or that Pentecostals think this is a holy war.

"Many times you hear it referred to as a kind of diabolical religion, and that comes from the idea of Christianity being the true religion, but also their support for Israel, because they contend that Israel [represents] God's chosen people and you dare not touch them.

Well, technically, she is non-denominational.  She left the "super right wing whacko fundy" Pentacostal church six years ago.  I'd like to point out that quote from the NPR article is not from Palin herself but from a Pentacostal academic who was consulted for the story.
 
So Palin believes her own Christian faith is true and Islam is false.  So what?  What about the people who hold elected office who believe all religions are false and characterize it in the same negative language?
 
Originally posted by Seko

- Palin is not a fiscal conservative. She is a spend thrift. Alaska being one of the richest states in the union, Palin sought funds for the 'bridge to nowhere' and a 30 billion dollar pipeline. Her biggest boosters are big oil. Hows that for anti-lobby crusading? Entering as mayor she had a balanced budget. She left the town $20 million in debt.
 
Wait a second, I thought she shot down the "Bridge to Nowhere" project because the state could not afford such wasteful spending and she did not want to take a large handout from the federal government?  So in reality, she disagreed with her big-spending, ear-marking "Republican" colleagues and the project bid failed on her watch.
 
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Originally posted by Seko

I take it from the conservatives of AE that you don't approve of Palin either. Your silence is glaringly obvious. Wink
 
While I do not consider myself a conservative (I'd prefer the term "other"), I am sure that others would apply this label to me. Since this is so, I will note that the reason I have not participated in this dialogue all that much is not because of any feelings for or against Palin, but rather because of the tone and absurdity of the dialogue. Whenever I see AE members becoming as illogical and overdramatic as the most servile campaign spinsters, I generally shy away. I do understand that many people need to blow off some partisan steam, and I do respect this, but for me the whole thing is a cause for a great deal of regret, and participating would only make it moreso. I know that most everyone on this forum is capable of much better, and it is quite sad to see them thinking beneath their ability. Often on this forum my silence is indicative of my objection to some underlying aspect of a particular discussion.
 
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You may include me with the guilty ones in over dramatizing and spinning a few points across. However, unlike you I have a need to show the dark side of this woman. "Why is that?", one may ask. Oh, perhaps because she is about to possibly hold one of the most influencial positions in the world and that my little two cents is a form of education, specualtion and ventilation! That I would not feel comfortable keeping my mouth shut when I think someone of her caliber is contemplated for the vice presidency would be an understatement. In this case - ignorance is not bliss.
 
Originally posted by Panther

 
No, i wasn't originally trying to be sarcastic. Just my readings i've gathered from around the web. The coverage in the press and the multitude of theorizing of what comes next for China has been discussed on left, center & right of the political spheres.  I guess i should have chosen my words & sentence structure a bit better. Or perhaps, just struck that paragraph out completely
 
Too much blogging will make your head spin. My suggestion! Use AE as your source of inspiration and up-to-date news!Tongue
 
Also, as if I had to remind you, don't worry about everyones elses hearsay, especially the so-called professionals.
 
 
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but i certainly do not think he is a warmonger!


That is just plain out denial my friend. We have ample proof on the market that he knowingly had Powell speak about nonexistent weapons facilities, we know that the CIA gave again knowingly fraudulent information, and fake reports on the Saddam - AlQueada alliance, which is laughable since he was a target of theirs alongside Iran (they after all have a quarrel with secularists - Saddam - and shia - Iran -.)

It is clear he started an illegal war, not only here in the states, but also world wide by not adhering to the UN whom we use when it serves our purposes, but when not we cast aside.

I guess that is the conservative way out - look at O'Rilley and the other dimwit pundits - they attacked Britney Spear's sister for her teen pregnacy - called the parents pinheads, but lo and behold the last few weeks the same ones tell us that Palin's daughter made a choice (interestingly they never made the point in the previous news story that her sister also made the same). We can't have people run this country on such silly duality.
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Originally posted by Bey


Panther,
 
i rarely care to tell people what foreign leader i support, and whom they should elect as to lead their country!
 
If the American President did not go around bombing countries, nobody would have cared who you elect.



...or hopefuls singing Bomb Bomb Iran...


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Originally posted by Seko

Originally posted by Akolouthos

Originally posted by Seko

I take it from the conservatives of AE that you don't approve of Palin either. Your silence is glaringly obvious. Wink
 
While I do not consider myself a conservative (I'd prefer the term "other"), I am sure that others would apply this label to me. Since this is so, I will note that the reason I have not participated in this dialogue all that much is not because of any feelings for or against Palin, but rather because of the tone and absurdity of the dialogue. Whenever I see AE members becoming as illogical and overdramatic as the most servile campaign spinsters, I generally shy away. I do understand that many people need to blow off some partisan steam, and I do respect this, but for me the whole thing is a cause for a great deal of regret, and participating would only make it moreso. I know that most everyone on this forum is capable of much better, and it is quite sad to see them thinking beneath their ability. Often on this forum my silence is indicative of my objection to some underlying aspect of a particular discussion.
 
-Akolouthos
 
You may include me with the guilty ones in over dramatizing and spinning a few points across. However, unlike you I have a need to show the dark side of this woman. "Why is that?", one may ask. Oh, perhaps because she is about to possibly hold one of the most influencial positions in the world and that my little two cents is a form of education, specualtion and ventilation! That I would not feel comfortable keeping my mouth shut when I think someone of her caliber is contemplated for the vice presidency would be an understatement. In this case - ignorance is not bliss.
 
Originally posted by Panther

 
No, i wasn't originally trying to be sarcastic. Just my readings i've gathered from around the web. The coverage in the press and the multitude of theorizing of what comes next for China has been discussed on left, center & right of the political spheres.  I guess i should have chosen my words & sentence structure a bit better. Or perhaps, just struck that paragraph out completely
 
Too much blogging will make your head spin. My suggestion! Use AE as your source of inspiration and up-to-date news!Tongue
 
Also, as if I had to remind you, don't worry about everyones elses hearsay, especially the so-called professionals.
 
 


I can't believe this type of bigot is actually going to have a good chance of being President... I guess McCain is not enough...
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Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor


 

Therefore, I like the fact that Palin seems to be standing for some core conservative principles: pro-life (yes, her daughter made the right decision, call me a hypocrite if you want),


If you disapprove of her (and her mother) getting pregnant extra-maritally but think she was then right to have the baby, that's not hypocritical.

 

But what does it say for the Palins' sense of 'family values'?


It is very clear what it says: Palin is a wretch of a mother. As soon as the child is breathing, she neglects them, as it was obvious that she neglected her daughter and now we see how she is neglecting her new born baby.

Is this how a conservative, family values mother is supposed to behave?
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Originally posted by gcle2003

Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor


 

Therefore, I like the fact that Palin seems to be standing for some core conservative principles: pro-life (yes, her daughter made the right decision, call me a hypocrite if you want),


If you disapprove of her (and her mother) getting pregnant extra-maritally but think she was then right to have the baby, that's not hypocritical.

 

But what does it say for the Palins' sense of 'family values'?


It is very clear what it says: Palin is a wretch of a mother. As soon as the child is breathing, she neglects them, as it was obvious that she neglected her daughter and now we see how she is neglecting her new born baby.

Is this how a conservative, family values mother is supposed to behave?
 
LOL Wow.
 
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Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor

Just because she believes in the exclusivity of Christianity because it is her faith she is a bigot?  Where does it say that one has to believe in the universality of all religions in order to become President/VP
 
B.E. you wrote a long post and now I have to read all of it and give you a response of equal measure. Embarrassed
 
First off, I believe that she is a bigot for her closed mindedness and partiality. When in a position of power, if not used right, she can be dangerous.
 
Definition of a bigot: One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
 
Can we agree, that what we know of her so far fits the bill?
 
Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor

I am sure there are a few Congresspeople who would like to exclude Christianity from the group of "acceptable" religions that they have concocted based on comments they have made in the past.  Are they deserving of the same label?
 
Yes, I strongly believe they also fall under the same label.
 
 
 
Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor

The same people who are trashing Palin in a sudden epiphany of moral rectitude saying "If she stands for abstinence, how could she have allowed her daughter to have pre-marital sex and become pregnant" and "do conservatives suddenly agree with this alternative family arrangement" would have gone out of their way to condemn her if it had instead been uncovered that she had been quite strict with her daughters concerning their freedoms while living under her roof.  If this had happened, Palin would have been trashed as a domineering, Christian fundy nutcase.  Oh wait, she is already being called that.  Is this a double standard?
 
You said it, not me. Also you're getting ahead of yourelf. Most of all I am somewhat concerned because of the lack of vocalization that... no Republican uproar has highlighted the obvious and most glaring contradiction to family values. It doesn't take a liberal to tell a republican to abstain and shout: "Say no to premarital sex!". This judegment in one of character. Not total control of a mother over her child but the moral values that a mother teaches and instills in her child.
 
 
Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor

Of course, Christian conservatives are not suddenly going to bactrack and redefine their positions on sexual morality just because Palin is supposedly a conservative and her daughter conceived out of wedlock.  The important thing is how she and her family chose to deal with it.
 
Fine. I agree, that is 'now' the most important thing. However, I now believe, even more so than before, that conservatives play fast with their belief system and loose with their morals! Not that I care to judge. I could care less. However, I certainly will call out the diminished adherance to certain family values.
 
Originally posted by Seko

- She isn't green. Wants drilling the Alaska's wildlife Refuge, which her boss, McCain, opposes
 
- She could care less about polar bears as she opposed a bill making them a threatened (protected) species.
 
Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor

The former shows that she is more conservative than McCain on using the resources we have in the country already in an effort to achieve "energy independence."  What does the latter have to do with any of the real issues that face the country?  Why bring it up?  Just because I ask this don't think that I don't care about polar bears or endangered species.
 
 
I bring it up because I thought it as worthy news to slam Palin with actually. I find it not that difficult to discover fodder for my little endeavor by the way! The news is right there in front of my face. I can't hold myself.
 
To answer my point that you highlighted, I find it necessasry to mention because her lack of regard for the environment is now a social issue that appears to have important consequenses for us all. I am all for independence of energy. What are her alternatives, and McCain's to offshore drilling or tearing up the environment and killing a few animals in the process. I'm not a big tree hugger but I am not naive either. McCain's energy policy is all politics. Offshore drilling is happening as we speak. Leases are either available or running up for the Oil companies. Drilling in new coastal regions is not necessary. Plus we would not see the fruits of that labot till many years to come and that is after the infrastructure is built. And, according to specualtion, 2-6 percent gain in oil production.
 
Originally posted by Seko

Back when she was mayor of a small town called Wasilla, Alaska she had shown her meddle in the 'Librarian' incident. Palin and her cohorts (conservative Pentecostals at the time) told the town librarian to remove certain books from the shelves. "Go Ask Alice" and "Pastor, I am Gay". The librarian refused and felt they were controlling her and their request was a form of censorship. The librarian reminded Palin that books were purchased in accordance to national standards and professional guidelines and would not allow their removal. Palin fired that brave librarian. The community was in an uproar and the librarian was reinstated. She only lasted another two years as she found it difficult to work under Palin's thumb.
 
Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor

 
Reading beyond the smearing headlines, it was later found out that the librarian could not even remember specific titles that Palin supposedly said should be removed.  The "list" that was circulated by the media smear squad was proven to be a phony as it had books that had not even been published at the time this incident supposedly occurred.  It was an amalgamated list of books that had been banned in other places over the past century which the media tried to say Palin created.  The original context of the question, to which our valiant librarian objected, was "what is the process for banning a book and what would you do if people were picketing the library."
 
The question was, "what is the process for banning a book and what would you do if people were picketing the library". I read that also. However, it didn't end there did it? The librarian lost her job. The town wanted her to have it back and Palin was behind the pressure to censure books. Whether the source I used got the names of the books right or wrong is important but not as important as the result.
 
Originally posted by Seko

Palin agrees with US militarism. Though she calls herself non-denominational, she still views Islam as being a false religion. How grande! Who is to judge? Pentecostals of course thrown in with the occasional Catholic.
 
On Iraq Palin believes this is a holy war, or that Pentecostals think this is a holy war.

"Many times you hear it referred to as a kind of diabolical religion, and that comes from the idea of Christianity being the true religion, but also their support for Israel, because they contend that Israel [represents] God's chosen people and you dare not touch them.

Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor

Well, technically, she is non-denominational.  She left the "super right wing whacko fundy" Pentacostal church six years ago.  I'd like to point out that quote from the NPR article is not from Palin herself but from a Pentacostal academic who was consulted for the story.
 
So Palin believes her own Christian faith is true and Islam is false.  So what?  What about the people who hold elected office who believe all religions are false and characterize it in the same negative language?
 
Yes, the quotes speak about her in the NPR link and are not from her. However, there are numerous film footage and articles with Palin herself saying the that. I watched just yesterday in the news of the recent interivew with Gibson that she invoked righteousness that our troops are serving God's purpose in Iraq then she backstepped and said Abe Lincoln said the same thing in context of his time.
 
Her, or anyone elses, religion is none of my business when held in private. The minute she publically manipulates and portrays God as an ally to her political leanings then there is no difference between her and the leader of Iran. They both think that God is on their side and then use that message for secondary gains such as fincancial funding or the destruction of others.
 
Originally posted by Seko

- Palin is not a fiscal conservative. She is a spend thrift. Alaska being one of the richest states in the union, Palin sought funds for the 'bridge to nowhere' and a 30 billion dollar pipeline. Her biggest boosters are big oil. Hows that for anti-lobby crusading? Entering as mayor she had a balanced budget. She left the town $20 million in debt.
 
Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor

Wait a second, I thought she shot down the "Bridge to Nowhere" project because the state could not afford such wasteful spending and she did not want to take a large handout from the federal government?  So in reality, she disagreed with her big-spending, ear-marking "Republican" colleagues and the project bid failed on her watch.
 
Not excatluy. That was after the fact. She pushed for it til it looked politically unstable and that congress would not fork over the funds.
 She ditched the "bridge to nowehre" - an airport link in some far off place because it gained notoriety as an example of wasteful spending.  She said that it was clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island. Thus the federal funding was diverted to other Alsakan projects deemed more worthy.


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Wait a second, I thought she shot down the "Bridge to Nowhere" project because the state could not afford such wasteful spending and she did not want to take a large handout from the federal government?  So in reality, she disagreed with her big-spending, ear-marking "Republican" colleagues and the project bid failed on her watch.


Oh, you are wrong. Palin was all into the bridge to nowhere. She only "oppossed" it when it failed.

And Palin was soooo into pork, that she hired Washington lobbyists to bring more pork to Alaska. In fact, Alaska is one of the biggest pork receivers of the whole country.


Palin loves pork!

But as a small-town mayor and a governor Palin did not hesitate to embrace the federal earmark process, according to a Washington Post report by Paul Kane that shows Palin helped secure almost $27 million in projects for her tiny hometown of Wasilla, Alaska.

Palin, who was mayor of Wasilla from 1996 to 2002, directed the town (which then had a population under 7,000) to hire the Anchorage-based lobbying firm of Robertson, Monagle & Eastaugh (The New York Times notes that earmarks are "close to sacrosanct" in Alaska).

And during Palin's tenure as governor, Alaska requested 31 earmarks worth $197.8 million in next year's federal budget, The Los Angeles Times reports, citing the Web site of Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska), the former chairman of the Senate Appropriations Committee.


Oh, boy. This is the pork reformer?
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All politicians love pork.  It is the only evidence they have that they have earned their pay.  Once one is elected, at least to Congress, the only end game is being re-elected.  To do that, pork is as essential as "political contributions."  Wink
 
Who is to blame?   The politician or the constituents who expect all the pork fat?
 
Tit-for-tat.....Pork fat rules.
 
 
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Hi, Pikeshot,

Of course they all like pork. And pork eating states love it too. I am sure that Alaskans are quite happy with her being a pork champion. Just don't try to lie to my face about it.
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Hi, Pikeshot,

Of course they all like pork. And pork eating states love it too. I am sure that Alaskans are quite happy with her being a pork champion. Just don't try to lie to my face about it.
 
All politicians lie......Oh, sorry....you already know that.  Big%20smile
 
 
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There is a polite way to lie to us and a rude one. Telling plausible lies offend us a little less.
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  Quote pikeshot1600 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 21:02
Originally posted by hugoestr

There is a polite way to lie to us and a rude one. Telling plausible lies offend us a little less.
 
Oh, I see.  Well, I can't argue with that.  LOL
 
 
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  Quote Panther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 21:15
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

 
Panther,
 
i rarely care to tell people what foreign leader i support, and whom they should elect as to lead their country!
 
If the American President did not go around bombing countries, nobody would have cared who you elect.
 
 
Not so! People from other countries have been interested in influencing or concerned about US Presidential elections atleast going back before the days just prior to WW 2. Of course it is not just a phenomenon unique for the US, it is just in man's nature too try and control what isn't currently in his control!
 
 
As far as i am concerned Bush may be a spend thrift, but i certainly do not think he is a warmonger!
 
Are you for real or trolling us?
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Yes, those are my opinions, and no i'm not interrested in stirring up people just for the heck of it. What you read, is what i am in real life. I think that is reasonably fair, given the relative anonymity of the web!
 
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  Quote Akolouthos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 21:36
Originally posted by Seko

You may include me with the guilty ones in over dramatizing and spinning a few points across. However, unlike you I have a need to show the dark side of this woman. "Why is that?", one may ask. Oh, perhaps because she is about to possibly hold one of the most influencial positions in the world and that my little two cents is a form of education, specualtion and ventilation! That I would not feel comfortable keeping my mouth shut when I think someone of her caliber is contemplated for the vice presidency would be an understatement. In this case - ignorance is not bliss.
 
I do understand, as I noted earlier. I trust you will likewise understand if I generally do keep my mouth shut in these threads, and not read too much into it. Wink
 
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