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    Posted: 16-Nov-2008 at 18:20
Originally posted by Mayra

brasilian capoeira is good sport... i wish this was more like a true chat area....is there somewhere where everyone meets in real time??


It is that. Which reminds me, I need to get back into it. Only stopped because of schedule challenges.

Oh, and since we're all scattered across the globe, we find it a bit difficult to meet in real time.
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Style vs Style is a dumb argument to do, each one has its own specialty with a emphasis on it which will obviously make one or the other better in a "Street fight" situation. But the bottem line is  MA's are useless in a street fight the best street fight technique is to avoid it altogether or run away. It won't make a difference if your a judo master or boxing champ somone knifes you, your scewed.
 
I don't agree. First of all, of course there are no MAs which are complitely the same with "street fighting;" but, there are MAs that are more closer to it and less closer.
 
Secondly, there MAs which teach you how to defend against knife and other weapons.
 
Thirdly, knifes and weapons are not used in most of the street fights, which usually look like primitive boxing and wrestling moves. So, a good boxer, wrestler, kick boxer or MMA practitioner will always be on top in the fight like this.


Sarmat don't take it the wrong way but thats a very optimistic view on how street fights play out, weapons are the highest risk and even if the assailants don't have any don't expect a fair 1 on 1 match, more like getting mobbed by 3 people.MA's  give you the upper hand over someone if its a 1vs1 match with no weapons involved but thats almost never nearly the case.Tell me one MA that teachs you to avoid a brick to the head while 2 people rush you and stomp you into a coma. Unless you consider stupid highschool fights thats the only place i can think of were MA's would help out much.
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yes getting beaten might work for learning but I am not planning to lose a teeth or two.I will go for boxing this week.hope the trainer is more merciful.
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brasilian capoeira is good sport... i wish this was more like a true chat area....is there somewhere where everyone meets in real time??
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Originally posted by Husaria

Style vs Style is a dumb argument to do, each one has its own specialty with a emphasis on it which will obviously make one or the other better in a "Street fight" situation. But the bottem line is  MA's are useless in a street fight the best street fight technique is to avoid it altogether or run away. It won't make a difference if your a judo master or boxing champ somone knifes you, your scewed.
 
I don't agree. First of all, of course there are no MAs which are complitely the same with "street fighting;" but, there are MAs that are more closer to it and less closer.
 
Secondly, there MAs which teach you how to defend against knife and other weapons.
 
Thirdly, knifes and weapons are not used in most of the street fights, which usually look like primitive boxing and wrestling moves. So, a good boxer, wrestler, kick boxer or MMA practitioner will always be on top in the fight like this.
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Originally posted by Husaria

It won't make a difference if your a judo master or boxing champ somone knifes you, your dead.
 
 
Then learn how to take the knife away, or carry a knife and/or a gun.
 
Or better yet all of the aboveWink


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Originally posted by Sarmat12

 
That is true; you will learn nothing unless you get beaten.


Have to agree with you there, Sarmat.

The way to learn is to lose until you start winning.

And then repeat the process.Big%20smile
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Style vs Style is a dumb argument to do, each one has its own specialty with a emphasis on it which will obviously make one or the other better in a "Street fight" situation. But the bottem line is  MA's are useless in a street fight the best street fight technique is to avoid it altogether or run away. It won't make a difference if your a judo master or boxing champ somone knifes you, your scewed.
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Originally posted by Batu

not yet,actuallyLOL Im still looking for the best.I went to a kickboxing gym a week ago,which was run by a professional kickboxer(he still fights,I knew him from tv).I got into one of his lessons and I found it too violent for me.the guy said that I will get stronger when I have got beaten enough.So I am still searching.
 
That is true; you will learn nothing unless you get beaten.
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Try kenpo


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not yet,actuallyLOL Im still looking for the best.I went to a kickboxing gym a week ago,which was run by a professional kickboxer(he still fights,I knew him from tv).I got into one of his lessons and I found it too violent for me.the guy said that I will get stronger when I have got beaten enough.So I am still searching.
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BTW Batu did you ever find a martial art?


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The quote attributed to me isn't mine. Just for the record.
 
Originally posted by Sarmat12

Originally posted by gcle2003

  Wing Tsun is what Bruce lee studied predominantly, at least in the beginning--and I really don't think anyone could call him useless in a fight.
 
Bruce Lee is an excellent athlete. However, he was an actor in the first place, but not a street fighter.
 
Nevertheless, Bruce Lee invented his own style Jeet Kune Do, which is indeed effective compare to "traditional martial arts." However, Bruce Lee abandoned Wing Tsun stances and technques, he based Jeet Kune Do on the Western Boxing, simply because he saw that boxing was much more efficient than Wing Tsun.
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Kenpo is an excellent, efficent, practical, street art and you might look into krav maga my brother is taking it.


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Originally posted by King Kang of Mu

Funny clip for Hapkido.
Bruce Lee mopping the floor with a Hapkido master.Big%20smile


Ah, back when skintight yellow tracksuits were a good idea...LOL
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Funny clip for Hapkido.
Bruce Lee mopping the floor with a Hapkido master.Big%20smile
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Originally posted by Sarmat12

I don't think Batu will be able to find a guy like this. Smile


Hope springs eternal.Praying

Batu, if you're more into the flat-out efficient street-fight sort of martial arts, you might try Krav Maga. It's an Israeli-invented self-defense focused martial art with the emphasis on, basically, survival by any means necessary.

The Wikipedia Article

It can be difficult to find a school, but...well...

WAY less difficult than finding someone who actually teaches Muay Boran.
(Although a great many things are less difficult than finding someone who actually teaches Muay Boran. Raising a Nile crocodile with minimal injury is one of them.)





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I don't think Batu will be able to find a guy like this. Smile
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Not Muay Thai.

Muay Boran.

(Assuming you can find someone who actually teaches it...)
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 Aikido and Hapkido are written with the same Chinese characters 合氣道 and apparently have the same meaning.
 
King Kang, it's interesting how Aikido is called in Korea?
 
In fact both have origins in Japanese jujitsu that's why the techniques are so similar. However besides, jujitsu it seems to me that Hapkido incorporated a great deal of Taekwondo. Taekwondo style high kicks (which is not very practical BTW) are common in Hapkido sparring. Active incorporation of Jujitsu throws and joint-locks makes Hapkido somehow more practical than other traditional MA. The weakness of Hapkido is poor bad punching techinques.
 
In my assesment, however, Hapkido, is still not the best option for the street.
 
 I would still go with good old Muay Thai. Smile


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