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    Posted: 30-Jun-2008 at 04:04
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Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.

"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.

Even this "authority," apparently basing his conclusions on this study seems to be cautious. Cautious because of the terminology he uses, in spite of the fact, he seems to want to place a very positive endorsement, he phrases it in such a way, that does not express confidence. Caution that does not allow much faith in the conclusions drawn by the study. Notice he says "he believed" and "as far as I'm concerned." With such statements as that he is only giving his personal opinion. This article cannot be cited as an endorsement that homosexuality is determined before birth because of the language used by this authority. Nor can this article be used as a statement of fact that homosexuality is determined in the womb when the article itself says it does not know when these changes occurred, "either before or after birth." It is one thing to say it was, "evidence sexual preference was set in the womb" and quite another thing to say the opposite, or leave the possibility, as it says, later in the article, these changes are "either before or after birth." Some no doubt will cite this article as an endorsement of homosexual development in the womb, but the article itself does not say that, as we can see. The best that can be said, according to the article is the "mechanism" is not known and that changes may have happened in the womb or after.
 
Actually you have totally missed the point on this one and gotten it completely wrong. If a man says "I believe", that is about the strongest endorsement he can give of his confidence in something. "i suppose/ it is possible/ this suggests", on the other hand, would leave room for doubt open.
 
Saying "as far as I'm concerned" is the best the man can claim. Who should he also speak on behalf of? The general populace who has not even heard of this study? The doctor then goes on to say "there is no argument anymore". Sorry mate but that is about as definitively confident as anyone can get.
 
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This article is given more credibility then it should have in regards to saying a component of homosexuality is determined before birth. The article itself is not clear as to when these changes or the mechanism that set the changes occurred. First, adults were examined and for the article it is important because it says, it "needed another mechanism to set them off." However that mechanism may have occurred after birth. 2nd, the article itself when closely analyzed also says the change is "either before or after birth." This is not stating with any certainty at all, that this was determined in the womb. It seems it wants to lean in that direction, but when all is said and done, it does not.
 
A fair point but one which itself has flaws. Neurologically speaking, there are very few things which actually change the development of nerve endings in the brain, and in the amygdala especially (a primitive part of the brain held in common by the vast bulk of vertebrae). We do know of a few things which can change development of the brain, and the amygdala also. Drug exposure is one. But by far the most common sources of neurological development are genetics and foetal development, especially so in primitive parts of the brain such as the amygdala. So unless you can think of an alternative explanation as to how the amydgala and lobal constructions have developed along the patterns described in the article, we must conclude that these neurological traits are determined naturally rather than through the post natal environment. Remember, we are discussing neurology here and not behavioural science.
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Spot on Leonidas, and your insights are backed up by empirical research also:




In that movie and implicitely in your answer the problem is wrongly put.

The people who have no problem with the homosexuals are those who care little about where the society goes. So they are insensible and this insensibility manifests too in watching homo-erotical materials.

On the contrary, people with a higher sensibility, are influenceable by such materials, eithers are homosexuals of heterosexuals. Images of homosexual acts lead the mind to any sexual act and this is how is explained the reaction of heterosexuals at those images.

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As for the scientifical article about the predetermination of the sexual orientation, my opinion is that is wrong again. The predetermination is a religious, Protestant theory which see a fatalism in being saved or not. The pseudo-scientifical theory presented by you suffer of a childish fatalism too, like our wishes are something we can not change.

And please don't come with "neurological science" because everybody could fight against their wishes.


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As for the homosexuality, my opinion is that is a mental disease, like other sexual deviations and perversions and the homosexuals have to be helped (not by violent acts) to come to a life which gives them more satisfactions. As I sayed on other threads, I consider any sexual wish bad, heterosexual or homosexual and that the sex is only for child birth.

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Originally posted by Menumorut

In that movie and implicitely in your answer the problem is wrongly put.

The people who have no problem with the homosexuals are those who care little about where the society goes. So they are insensible and this insensibility manifests too in watching homo-erotical materials.

On the contrary, people with a higher sensibility, are influenceable by such materials, eithers are homosexuals of heterosexuals. Images of homosexual acts lead the mind to any sexual act and this is how is explained the reaction of heterosexuals at those images.
 
So in simpler terms, people who care about society are more sensitive, and therefore more likely to get an erection when watching homo-erotic porn? Do you really expect people to believe that?
 
As for the scientifical article about the predetermination of the sexual orientation, my opinion is that is wrong again. The predetermination is a religious, Protestant theory which see a fatalism in being saved or not. The pseudo-scientifical theory presented by you suffer of a childish fatalism too, like our wishes are something we can not change.
 
That's really more of an opinion than a reasoned argument. I would like to see some evidence (both for this claim and the previous claim). I would like to see more evidence and less speculation.


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So in simpler terms, people who care about society are more sensitive, and therefore more likely to get an erection when watching homo-erotic porn? Do you really expect people to believe that?



2That's really more of an opinion than a reasoned argument. I would like to see some evidence (both for this claim and the previous claim). I would like to see more evidence and less speculation.


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The atitude of an individ is a manifestation of his/her psychological structure. The homophobes are people with a higher degree of implication in the problems of society so they are more sensitive.


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Is simple: when you wish something strongly just struggle to cut your wish off and you'll succeed. You can too extinct your sexual instinct if you wish by fighting your sexual fantasies when they occur, but takes time.

The sexual instinct is the result of accumulation of sexual fantasies in our mind, since puberty. When the sexual fantasies are dead, appears the andropause and menopause.




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Originally posted by Constantine XI

Also the word "corrected" implies that there is something wrong with this natural disposition.
But if it is natural it doesn't seem it's not wrong (not morally, of course, but biologically). Many conditions (or predispositions) are predetermined before birth. And regardless of the fact is predetermined or not, some people would want to correct it (for instance like some people attempt to correct their sterility).

A consideration of the phenomenon may just reveal that a population of non-breeding males with neurological inclinations to artistic and social innovation may just be of benefit to humanity as a whole; thus explaining its continued occurrance in such large numbers generation after generation.
May be. Today having the danger of over-population perhaps a certain percentage of homosexuals is needed to bring more balance. But we can't apply this consideration neither generally for human history, not even for today world (as some areas are more populated, other are deserted/loosely populated, plus that a certain society may want a better reproduction rate to compete numerically with another one).
On the other hand, according to this article the homosexual brain is more like the brain of the opposite sex; it is not suggested they have an inborn geniality difficult to find in other individuals. I wonder if the correlation you point to can be broken to smaller pieces. Maybe not homosexuality, but a certain lifestyle (e.g. not having a strong family life, perhaps even being part of a marginalized group) is causing the larger number of artists among homosexuals. And maybe if homosexuals will be fully integrated in society (i.e. lose much of their actual cultural specificity, that of a minority group) also the number of artists among their ranks will decrease.

And risk all the associated homophobia and social exlcusion just for that? Not a chance. people don't have sex because its fashionable, they do it because they naturally want to have sex.
Well, humans are more complex than that. There are people who like to be different, like to shock even sometimes at the expense of the social exclusion (though sometimes, on the contrary, the shock strategy gives them social merit). Though growing in a homophobe environment (largely Christian Orthodox population, Communist brain-washing, etc.), I've witnessed homosexual behavior from individuals who arguably are not gay. I can figure out lots of reasons for it, but not the desire of having sex (or better said, not directly, not with the other person involved). Homosexuality is not just homosexual sex.

 
Originally posted by Menumorut

When the sexual fantasies are dead, appears the andropause 
I hope they'll die when I'll die. Wink 


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The F* police arrested me and all other few hundred anti-gay activists.They held me for 3 hours in the police departament.Atleast i was in the same cage with the leader of the bulgarian nationalist organisation "Guard" and could speak with him.The gays however were surrounded by hundrets of policemen and menaged to do their gay parade. Censored


You are actually proud of undermining other people's right
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Necrophyles are also people,but we do undermine their rights by not allowing them to have sex with dead boddies,don't we?So,is taht something bad?
 
Yes,i am very proud that i undermine some perverted people's rights by not allowing them to demonstrate evil and perversion in front of children.And before you start arguing about laws,democracy and tolerance i will put it very simple.It is all abouth faith - if you are muslim or christian you can't simply tolerate them.It's that easy and simple - if you are a believer you fight them,if you're not you tolerate them.I see from which you are...
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Originally posted by Władysław Warnencz

Necrophyles are also people,but we do undermine their rights by not allowing them to have sex with dead boddies,don't we?So,is taht something bad?
 
Yes,i am very proud that i undermine some perverted people's rights by not allowing them to demonstrate evil and perversion in front of children.And before you start arguing about laws,democracy and tolerance i will put it very simple.It is all abouth faith - if you are muslim or christian you can't simply tolerate them.It's that easy and simple - if you are a believer you fight them,if you're not you tolerate them.I see from which you are...

Does "consent" mean anything to you?

And I guess I was hallucinating when those Christians were talking about love and tolerance.
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Originally posted by Menumorut

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The atitude of an individ is a manifestation of his/her psychological structure. The homophobes are people with a higher degree of implication in the problems of society so they are more sensitive.
 
You are effectively saying that people with greater concern for society are more likely to get an erection when watching gay porn. This reasoning is absurd (no offence at you as a person, but the reasoning here is literally absurd and defies common sense). A rebuttal of this reasoning is not even necessary, so I won't provide one.
 
Originally posted by Menumorut

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Is simple: when you wish something strongly just struggle to cut your wish off and you'll succeed. You can too extinct your sexual instinct if you wish by fighting your sexual fantasies when they occur, but takes time.

The sexual instinct is the result of accumulation of sexual fantasies in our mind, since puberty. When the sexual fantasies are dead, appears the andropause and menopause.
 
Here I do agree with you. If you repress your sexual urges long enough they will eventually disappear when you either become too old or you die. Whether it is healthy to do this is entirely another issue - I personally don't think it is.
 
But the issue here is not one of willpower, but of neurology. Theoretically, with enough willpower anyone can simply not have sex. But this doesn't address the point of this thread, which is the discovery of scientific evidence of neurological differences as a factor explaining a natural sexual orientation.
 
Originally posted by Chilbudios

May be. Today having the danger of over-population perhaps a certain percentage of homosexuals is needed to bring more balance. But we can't apply this consideration neither generally for human history, not even for today world (as some areas are more populated, other are deserted/loosely populated, plus that a certain society may want a better reproduction rate to compete numerically with another one).
On the other hand, according to this article the homosexual brain is more like the brain of the opposite sex; it is not suggested they have an inborn geniality difficult to find in other individuals. I wonder if the correlation you point to can be broken to smaller pieces. Maybe not homosexuality, but a certain lifestyle (e.g. not having a strong family life, perhaps even being part of a marginalized group) is causing the larger number of artists among homosexuals. And maybe if homosexuals will be fully integrated in society (i.e. lose much of their actual cultural specificity, that of a minority group) also the number of artists among their ranks will decrease.
 
It is certainly interesting to speculate over. It seems to be the case that in the USA, there are very "hardcore" homosexuals. And by that I mean that they are extremely, in-your-face, stunningly camp (effeminate). And this seems to be a reaction to the strong hostility they suffer at the hands of homophobic and religious groups in that country. By contrast, in the UK gays tend to be better accepted and I have noticed a lot less of this "I'm shockingly gay, and that is totally what defines me" behaviour.
 
Statistics from the two countries claim that homosexual population of the UK is 8%, while the US is 3 or 4% - however, I think that in the USA the difference is explained by the fact that a much larger proportion are closeted due to social taboo. After all, according to Ahmadinejad, Iran's homosexual population is supposedly at 0% - but when you make homosexuality a capital crime that is to be expected.
 
But I would suggest that the neurological differences observed in the study help explain why sexual orientation tends to be paired with certain other behavioural characteristics.
 
Originally posted by Chilbudios

Well, humans are more complex than that. There are people who like to be different, like to shock even sometimes at the expense of the social exclusion (though sometimes, on the contrary, the shock strategy gives them social merit). Though growing in a homophobe environment (largely Christian Orthodox population, Communist brain-washing, etc.), I've witnessed homosexual behavior from individuals who arguably are not gay. I can figure out lots of reasons for it, but not the desire of having sex (or better said, not directly, not with the other person involved). Homosexuality is not just homosexual sex.
 
I'm not saying it isn't possible, just that the number of people who do it to shock others rather than because they naturally want to would only make up a tiny proportion of the "homosexual" population. There are far easier and more gratifying ways to shock one's peers.
 
Originally posted by Wladyslaw

Necrophyles are also people,but we do undermine their rights by not allowing them to have sex with dead boddies,don't we?So,is taht something bad?
 
Yes,i am very proud that i undermine some perverted people's rights by not allowing them to demonstrate evil and perversion in front of children.And before you start arguing about laws,democracy and tolerance i will put it very simple.It is all abouth faith - if you are muslim or christian you can't simply tolerate them.It's that easy and simple - if you are a believer you fight them,if you're not you tolerate them.I see from which you are...
 
Necrophilia isn't comparable, the sex is non-consensual. So yes, you are effectively undermining the right of law abiding citizens to engage in consensual, adult sex - which you have no grounds to do.


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[QUOTE=Chilbudios] Today having the danger of over-population perhaps a certain percentage of homosexuals is needed to bring more balance. But we can't apply this consideration neither generally for human history, not even for today world (as some areas are more populated, other are deserted/loosely populated, plus that a certain society may want a better reproduction rate to compete numerically with another one). [quote]

This adaptation would not be culture-specific. It's actually perfectly reasonable that a homosexual minority could be beneficial in any society, even a sparsely populated one. Human children are extremely labour-intensive to raise, so a few extra pairs of hands that aren't occupied with their own babies can be a good thing to have. Additionally, a population in balance might become unsustainable if it grows too much - in this situation, a little definitely-non-reproductive sex can be a good thing.
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This adaptation would not be culture-specific. It's actually perfectly reasonable that a homosexual minority could be beneficial in any society, even a sparsely populated one. Human children are extremely labour-intensive to raise, so a few extra pairs of hands that aren't occupied with their own babies can be a good thing to have. Additionally, a population in balance might become unsustainable if it grows too much - in this situation, a little definitely-non-reproductive sex can be a good thing.


Bernard that is exactly my theory on the inheritance of the "homosexual instinct" in order to allow your genes to pass on in times of crisis you raise your relatives children and don't have any of your own, sexualization is a large part of primate behavior though, so in order to maintain group dynamics homosexualism came into being. Of course there's nothing saying that homosexuals can't have children at all so in case of a disaster the population can still breed.

Necrophilia isn't comparable, the sex is non-consensual. So yes, you are effectively undermining the right of law abiding citizens to engage in consensual, adult sex - which you have no grounds to do.


Now to be fair Constantine not all homosexuals are law abiding citizens...

 
Yes,i am very proud that i undermine some perverted people's rights by not allowing them to demonstrate evil and perversion in front of children.And before you start arguing about laws,democracy and tolerance i will put it very simple.It is all abouth faith - if you are muslim or christian you can't simply tolerate them.It's that easy and simple - if you are a believer you fight them,if you're not you tolerate them.I see from which you are...


So then if they did not openly express their sexuality in public you wouldn't have a problem with their actions?

And Wladyslaw don't forget according to Christian teaching we are to pray for the sinner and condemn their sin. That means that it is un-christian to persecute others who espouse non-christian beliefs, since their judgement rests with God and God alone. However that does not mean we as Christians must tolerate homosexuality, we can protest gay pride parades as paegents of debauchery, we can even enact laws that criminilize such behavior (of course that's only if your into theocracy which is seemingly very unpopular in the "modern" viewpoint), however it is wrong to take the law of God into your own hands because you do not fully understand his divine plan for the world.

Next time if you feel the need to rough up some gays, instead do the Christian thing and read them the Bible passages that condemn homosexuality, after all you cannot force religious beliefs and faith onto people that do not want to accept that truth.
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Originally posted by Bernard Woolley

This adaptation would not be culture-specific. It's actually perfectly reasonable that a homosexual minority could be beneficial in any society, even a sparsely populated one. Human children are extremely labour-intensive to raise, so a few extra pairs of hands that aren't occupied with their own babies can be a good thing to have. Additionally, a population in balance might become unsustainable if it grows too much - in this situation, a little definitely-non-reproductive sex can be a good thing.

I believe that some traditions we have today sometimes encode realities of distant past, when it was a good reason for those behaviors or attitudes. Thus, even homophobia(often in small, rural environments) could represent a state of normality some time ago when infant mortality was rampant, when diseases, conflicts, wars, wild animals threatened the brittle human life. Sometimes this happened in the same cultures regarding sterility as a curse, culturally associating human sex rather with fertility than with pleasure or displaying similar specificities hinting on the importance of sexual act as part of the process of biological reproduction. The balance between the reproduction rate and the mortality provided a human history of many thousands of years with no overpopulation (and when a society depleted some resources, migration, exploration, conquest were rather the solutions, not family planning). I am talking here, of course, about strict homosexuality, not about bisexuality or various homosexual acts which have other justication than the inborn attraction for the same sex, i.e. juvenile experimentation, representation of a relation of power, of a social hierarchy, etc..
Also, IIRC, for primates there is no evidence of strict homosexuality, like in humans. If exclusive homosexuality would be a good group strategy I'd expect it to find it in the species closest to humans, wouldn't you?
 
On a similar note, I wonder if lack of hygiene inhibited some of the sexual practices as we know them today (undoubtely this other-age human had a harder stomach).


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I'm not saying it isn't possible, just that the number of people who do it to shock others rather than because they naturally want to would only make up a tiny proportion of the "homosexual" population. There are far easier and more gratifying ways to shock one's peers.
And I was saying only that's possible.
 
Anyway, how many men dream of two hot girls? Big%20smile
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If we believed in all scientific news that are comming out almost each day....This is another "research" payed by gay organisations.Sexual diseases,such as homosexuality,necrophylia,pedophylia and so on are developed in early childhood.THat's what i think,but even if i'm not right and they are genetic it doesn't change the fact thay are bad and must not be "advertised" on gay pride parades or in the TV.
 
 
Well, you're not very bright are you? How can you comapre homosexuality with necrophylia and paedophilia? Homosexuals are consenting adults - both parties agree with what they do, there's no evil in that.
 
 
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If we believed in all scientific news that are comming out almost each day....This is another "research" payed by gay organisations.Sexual diseases,such as homosexuality,necrophylia,pedophylia and so on are developed in early childhood.THat's what i think,but even if i'm not right and they are genetic it doesn't change the fact thay are bad and must not be "advertised" on gay pride parades or in the TV.
 
 
Well, you're not very bright are you? How can you comapre homosexuality with necrophylia and paedophilia? Homosexuals are consenting adults - both parties agree with what they do, there's no evil in that.
 
 
 
 
There's no evil in this for you,because you are an atheist.If you believed in any of the major world religions you would consider it evil,as any major religion describes it.Faith doesn't make people bright or stupid,so don't offend me as i don't offend you.
 
 
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If we believed in all scientific news that are comming out almost each day....This is another "research" payed by gay organisations.Sexual diseases,such as homosexuality,necrophylia,pedophylia and so on are developed in early childhood.THat's what i think,but even if i'm not right and they are genetic it doesn't change the fact thay are bad and must not be "advertised" on gay pride parades or in the TV.
 
 
Well, you're not very bright are you? How can you comapre homosexuality with necrophylia and paedophilia? Homosexuals are consenting adults - both parties agree with what they do, there's no evil in that.
 
 
 
 
There's no evil in this for you,because you are an atheist.If you believed in any of the major world religions you would consider it evil,as any major religion describes it.Faith doesn't make people bright or stupid,so don't offend me as i don't offend you.
 
 
Your taking the precarious road of literal interpretation.

You know Lot that holy man in Genesis had sex with his two daughters...The bible version of that story makes out he was tricked by them and made very drunk and didn't know what happened! would that be a good enough excuse for you with others? worked for him.

 Personally ive heard that excuse too many timesWink




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If we believed in all scientific news that are comming out almost each day....This is another "research" payed by gay organisations.Sexual diseases,such as homosexuality,necrophylia,pedophylia and so on are developed in early childhood.THat's what i think,but even if i'm not right and they are genetic it doesn't change the fact thay are bad and must not be "advertised" on gay pride parades or in the TV.
 
 
Well, you're not very bright are you? How can you comapre homosexuality with necrophylia and paedophilia? Homosexuals are consenting adults - both parties agree with what they do, there's no evil in that.
 
 
 
 
There's no evil in this for you,because you are an atheist.If you believed in any of the major world religions you would consider it evil,as any major religion describes it.Faith doesn't make people bright or stupid,so don't offend me as i don't offend you.
 
 
 
Sorry matey, I am an atheist now but I went to University to study to become a priest, ie Theology, I realised that it is not God that is false but the church. I couldn't commit my life to the church when I could see hypocrisy all around me! You and I both know that there is only a snippet in Leviticus that mentions homosexuality - in the NT there is no mention of it at all. Whatever happened to tolerance? Christians like to think they practice tolerance, but in reality they are the most intolerant of them all!
 
I haven't offended you, but you've offended millions of consenting adults by calling homosexuality a disease.
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Originally posted by Władysław Warnencz

If we believed in all scientific news that are comming out almost each day....This is another "research" payed by gay organisations.Sexual diseases,such as homosexuality,necrophylia,pedophylia and so on are developed in early childhood.THat's what i think,but even if i'm not right and they are genetic it doesn't change the fact thay are bad and must not be "advertised" on gay pride parades or in the TV.
 
 
Well, you're not very bright are you? How can you comapre homosexuality with necrophylia and paedophilia? Homosexuals are consenting adults - both parties agree with what they do, there's no evil in that.
 
 
 
 
There's no evil in this for you,because you are an atheist.If you believed in any of the major world religions you would consider it evil,as any major religion describes it.Faith doesn't make people bright or stupid,so don't offend me as i don't offend you.
 
 
 
Sorry matey, I am an atheist now but I went to University to study to become a priest, ie Theology, I realised that it is not God that is false but the church. I couldn't commit my life to the church when I could see hypocrisy all around me! You and I both know that there is only a snippet in Leviticus that mentions homosexuality - in the NT there is no mention of it at all. Whatever happened to tolerance? Christians like to think they practice tolerance, but in reality they are the most intolerant of them all!
 
I haven't offended you, but you've offended millions of consenting adults by calling homosexuality a disease.
 
I don't know what hypocrisy you became a witness of,but i also had a lot to do with the church in my life and it never did anything bad or hipocritical to me.
 
Once again - i don't care if those sick,perverted people are being offended by me.Tolerance nowadays has become something absolutetely dofferent,than what JEsus preached.It has become anarchy.All sick,perverted,stupid or lazy people claim they are being discriminating if you don't hire a gay for example on a job.This is not normal and should be fought.
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There is hypocrisy everywhere in the Christian church!!
 
Are you aware that there were originally over 100 gospels? These have been narrowed down by so called expert theologians to include the parts that they wished to be included into the NT. The Bible isn't written by God, it is written by man, therefore it is fundamentally flawed.
 
You don't see it as hypocrisy because like all the others you have been brainwashed into believing that it is wrong according to man's and not Jesus`Christian doctrine.
 
We will all be judged, it is not for man to judge how people consent to their sexual preferences. It is lawful for consenting adults to practice same gender sex, no harm is being done to either party. But it is unlawful for anyone to practice necrophilia and paedophilia - the differences are obvious.
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Posts: 175 		  Quote Władysław Warnencz Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jul-2008 at 15:59
Originally posted by Dynbertawe

There is hypocrisy everywhere in the Christian church!!
 
Are you aware that there were originally over 100 gospels? These have been narrowed down by so called expert theologians to include the parts that they wished to be included into the NT. The Bible isn't written by God, it is written by man, therefore it is fundamentally flawed.
 
You don't see it as hypocrisy because like all the others you have been brainwashed into believing that it is wrong according to man's and not Jesus`Christian doctrine.
 
We will all be judged, it is not for man to judge how people consent to their sexual preferences. It is lawful for consenting adults to practice same gender sex, no harm is being done to either party. But it is unlawful for anyone to practice necrophilia and paedophilia - the differences are obvious.
 
I am not saying it should be illegal to have gay sex.You can't prevent someone form having sex with someone,who wants it too.I am against the idiotic Gay Pride Parades,which are a demostration of sickness and perversion.Let them do what they wish at home,wbut why should they walk half naked on the streets,touching and kissing each other?Tell me honestly - doesn't that make you sick :
 
 
 
Do you consider that normal?
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BTW. In one hour there will be a gay pride parade here in Sofia,and in half an hour there is a gathering of all,who want to stop this (christians,nazis,skinheads,nationalists,patriots and so on...).I go shave myself and than to beat some gays. Big%20smile
 
Have I been justified now in saying that there is hypocrisy within the church? By stating that Christians/Nazis and Skinheads are in togther, you have now confirmed it!!
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