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QuoteReplyTopic: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment Posted: 12-May-2012 at 05:08
Originally posted by red clay
Just in case no one has noticed, much of this "Henny Penney" BS was taken directly from Ted Kozinski's warped and disturbed writings. You remember him? He is usually reffered to as "the Unibomber". Kozinski thought much the same as our friend here, except he thought that by killing the people he thought responsible for the so called environmental disaster, he could change things.
The crimes of Industrial Society are millions of times greater than the crimes of Ted Kaczynski.
Military Industrial Complex has killed millions in wars.
Industrial Society has decimated millions of animal and plant species....cut down billions of acres of forests.....slaughtered trillions of animals in slaughter houses.....killed millions of acres of fertile soil with cement, concrete and asphalt......poisoned the planet with Trillions of Tonnes of Metal waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste, Nuclear Waste........decimated fish in the oceans........ created oxygen-deprived dead zones in the oceans.
Comparing the crimes of Ted Kaczynski with the crimes of Industrial Society is like comparing the lamp with the sun.
......and if things do go wrong in the distant future we could always colonise another planet
Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.
Our present planet had huge amounts of things that created and sustained
all life..........Millions of species of Animals, Billions of acres of
Forests, Rivers and Oceans full of water, Sky full of Air and Billions
of acres of fertile soil......And remember all these life sustaining
things did not come into existence in a few years......It took Nature
millions of years of painstaking effort to create them.
After destroying most of the living things and most of the life
sustaining things on earth which took millions of years to come into
existence, it is ridiculous to talk about creating human colonies on
planets where there are no animals, trees, air, water and fertile
soil........And where Temperatures are very different from earth.
One Space Shuttle exploded during take off.....another exploded on the
return journey......so far Man has not gone beyond the Moon, and even
on this short journey of a few days man took all his supplies - food,
water and oxygen from earth......there are no planets with life
sustaining things within the solar system......outside the solar system
planets are light years away, millions of light years away.
It's still early days. Karl Benz didn't build a turbocharged sports car and the Wright Brothers didn't build a supersonic jet. Likewise, it will take decades before we have a craft capable of reaching Mars, and a century or more before we build lunar cities. However, we might live long enough to see the first underwater city as there's a wealth of unused resources beneath the sea
Just in case no one has noticed, much of this "Henny Penney" BS was taken directly from Ted Kozinski's warped and disturbed writings. You remember him? He is usually reffered to as "the Unibomber". Kozinski thought much the same as our friend here, except he thought that by killing the people he thought responsible for the so called environmental disaster, he could change things.
If you study the rise of man as many here have, you quickly realize that "consumerism" has been around almost as long as man. Artifacts show that man has always quested for things other than food and shelter.
How many times have we heard "stop thinking, stop creating, the end is near". Get yourself a sandwich sign, robe and sandals and you can get in line with the Moonies and Krishnas at the LA airport.
This person has allowed fear to rule their thinking. Fear of the future, or the unknown.
"Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces".
Unknown.
......and if things do go wrong in the distant future we could always colonise another planet
Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.
Our present planet had huge amounts of things that created and sustained
all life..........Millions of species of Animals, Billions of acres of
Forests, Rivers and Oceans full of water, Sky full of Air and Billions
of acres of fertile soil......And remember all these life sustaining
things did not come into existence in a few years......It took Nature
millions of years of painstaking effort to create them.
After destroying most of the living things and most of the life
sustaining things on earth which took millions of years to come into
existence, it is ridiculous to talk about creating human colonies on
planets where there are no animals, trees, air, water and fertile
soil........And where Temperatures are very different from earth.
One Space Shuttle exploded during take off.....another exploded on the
return journey......so far Man has not gone beyond the Moon, and even
on this short journey of a few days man took all his supplies - food,
water and oxygen from earth......there are no planets with life
sustaining things within the solar system......outside the solar system
planets are light years away, millions of light years away.
Concur and it will be coming to an end shortly... if the same line of inane rhetoric; a charade under the guise of slightly different phraseology, continues here by the op.
On that you can depend. For in the case of ''arrogant, optimistic, positive thinking attitude''....types...I may or may not be one. Don't give a damn how that might be viewed by others about me. But what I am.... is able to distinguish semi-anarchic, anti-industrial, closeted, socialistic greens, propo when I see it.
So my advice to the OP.... is respond specifically to the counterpoints being offered..by the members who have contributed.... end the self imposed dissertion or find yourself in violation of the CoC for trolling as my associate notes. And I can guarantee you.. I or She will take care of that.
CV
Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 10-May-2012 at 23:04
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"
S. T. Friedman
Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true'
Right. So you have no practical ideas to propose, only inflammatory statements to deliver. This is very close to trolling. And what good it is to insist on some absolutely idealistic position, with no ideas how to change whatever it is now? So, going from forum to forum, posting the same prozelityc stuff, and having no practical ideas how to achieve any improvement is not a solution to anything. I have a maxim - If you have reasonable ideas to give, give them, if you don't, don't say anything.
This cannot be done, no matter how many times you repeat it here. If you think otherwise, please start proposing what is to be done, in practical terms, instead of repeating one and the same;
This has to be answered not by me but by the people who took the entire society on the wrong path of consumerism after Industrial Revolution.
It is not easy to find solutions once you have created a mess.
One can learn this lesson by looking at the solutions that "Coalition of the Willing" has been coming up with in
Afghanistan.
When America attacked Afghanistan it had boasted....."We are going to
smoke them out"..... Ten years later, after having tried all the
permutations and combinations of solutions, it is finally holding talks
with the "Good Taliban" and desperately searching for the "Exit Door".
This is what happens when people have an arrogant, optimistic, positive
thinking attitude.....This is what happens when people believe they are
going to fix all problems.
The problem of Afghanistan / Taliban is only a few decades
old.......Environmental Crisis is millions of times bigger than
this.......Billions of people have been moving in the wrong direction
for almost 250 years after Industrial Revolution.
The article doesn't say anywhere that the solution is returning back to pre-industrial society
A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because
Industrialization has increased world population to 7
billion.
If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.
At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.
We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which
means thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have
existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years
of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated
or minimized.
The only way to save
the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for
production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial
Activity must be primarily limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in
these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the
minimum.
It's humanity's destiny to use the world's resources to improve the quality of life. Where's the fun in living a miserable agrarian existence? Nature can take care of herself, and if things do go wrong in the distant future we could always colonise another planet
And how exactly do you propose this to happen? What kind of society will stop production of goods, and offering of services, and leave only production of food? This means no net, no books, no cars, no transportation, no communications, and how are people going to go to work, and what are they going to work, if there is only work for farmers and builders of shelters? What about medical research, technologies research, etc?
This cannot be done, no matter how many times you repeat it here. If you think otherwise, please start proposing what is to be done, in practical terms, instead of repeating one and the same; like, in your country, which jobs and productions are supposed to be cut, and what are you going to do with the globalization, that, according to what I've read is building the economy of India as one of the fastest growing one?
The article doesn't say anywhere that the solution is returning back to pre-industrial society
A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because
Industrialization has increased world population to 7
billion.
If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.
At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.
We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which
means thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have
existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years
of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated
or minimized.
The only way to save
the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for
production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial
Activity must be primarily limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in
these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the
minimum.
Exactly, the welfare of the entire planet can be improved with right use of technology. Do you really think that people would agree to go back to pre-industrial times? No one wants to do that, even the most dictatorial country. How do you propose to stop all industrial activity, who will want to do that, and in what country? This is simply unrealistic.
Well, aside of the fact that no one will abandon their comfortable houses to go live in a forest and climb trees, the main thing that comes to mind while reading your posts is that you are idealizing the more so to say primitive ways of life, which were abandoned exactly because they were uncomfortable. I don't think that living in a mud house full with parasites and having life expectancy of 35 years is some paradise to dream of. The water was clean - from chemical, yes, but full with parasites, and in the same stream people were washing themselves, relieving themselves, putting their dead in, and drinking water - how exactly clean that is?
The way to cleaning the planet is through technology, and there are safer technologies in existence, like the air car, that India developed some years ago; but the big business will never let the bone out of it's mouth and allow those technologies to enter the market. However, this is teh way that is going to bring balance to our planet, not going back to the stone age.
The issue is not just human welfare........The issue is welfare of the entire planet.......The issue is welfare of all biodiversity and ecosystems.
This planet was home to millions of species........not just humans alone.
Industrial
Society has decimated millions of other species........Industrial
Society has destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems.
For
millions of years human life was sustained by animals, trees, air,
water and fertile soil.........Industrial Society has destroyed the very
things that sustained human life for millions of years.
Welfare
of animals, trees, air, water and fertile soil is millions of times more
important than welfare of humans........If these things are destroyed
humans will cease to exist.
A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because
Industrialization has increased world population to 7
billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7
billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the
absence of industrialization world population would have been only a
small fraction of 7 billion today.
If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.
At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.
We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which
means thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have
existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years
of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated
or minimized.
We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save
the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for
production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial
Activity must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in
these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the
minimum.
Well, aside of the fact that no one will abandon their comfortable houses to go live in a forest and climb trees, the main thing that comes to mind while reading your posts is that you are idealizing the more so to say primitive ways of life, which were abandoned exactly because they were uncomfortable. I don't think that living in a mud house full with parasites and having life expectancy of 35 years is some paradise to dream of. The water was clean - from chemical, yes, but full with parasites, and in the same stream people were washing themselves, relieving themselves, putting their dead in, and drinking water - how exactly clean that is?
The way to cleaning the planet is through technology, and there are safer technologies in existence, like the air car, that India developed some years ago; but the big business will never let the bone out of it's mouth and allow those technologies to enter the market. However, this is teh way that is going to bring balance to our planet, not going back to the stone age.
Dear members of "All Empires Forum"...........I have made some additions to my article........You are requested to kindly read. . .
Industrial Society is a lunatic society that is
trying to save environment not by stopping Industrial Activity but by
changing the technology.
Bring this technology, Bring that technology..........Bring this technology, Bring that technology.
A man is shooting someone with a gun........Some people are trying to
save the victim.......They plead with the man asking him to save the
victim by stopping the shooting.
The man says.....Don't worry......I will save him by changing
technology......He replaces the old gun with a new one ........And
continues to shoot.
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Environment has been destroyed by Industrial Activity........Trying to
save environment without stopping Industrial Activity is like ......
Trying to save a victim of shooting by shooting him even more.
Trying to save a victim of stabbing by stabbing him even more.
Trying to save a victim of poisoning by giving him even more poison.
Height of Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality.......You cannot save environment by destroying more of it.
Industrial Society has been destroying Extra environment for 250
years........It has been destroying environment for "thousands of
consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.
You cannot save a person after killing him.......You cannot save environment after it has been killed by Industrial Activity.
The entire Industrial Society deserves the Nobel Prize for Lunacy for
pretending that environment is getting saved when the reality is that
Industrial Society has been destroying extra environment after
industrialization and has destroyed so much extra environment in 250
years that there is hardly any environment left to save.
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Discussion cannot save environment........Money cannot save
environment......Technology cannot save environment......Environmental
Organizations cannot save environment.......Activism cannot save
environment.
Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment
through discussion......They did not even have a language for discussing
environmental issues.
Animal species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment with money ........They had no money.
Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not
save environment with modern technology........They had no modern
technology......It was absence of modern technology that saved
environment in pre-industrial societies........Over-exploitation of
ecosystems became possible only because of Industrial Machines.
Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not
save environment with the help of Environmental Organizations or
Activism........They had no environmental organizations.
Animal Species did not destroy environment for millions of
years.......Hunter Gatherer Society destroyed very little environment
during a million years of existence......Agrarian Society destroyed very
little environment [compared to Industrial Society] over a period of
10,000 years.
There is only one way to save environment.......Destroy less......Minimize the list of things that are destroying environment.
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Promoters of Growth rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest
terrorists on earth.......Millions of times bigger terrorists than
Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Our society has placed a bounty of millions of dollars on the heads of Taliban and Al Qaeda
No bounty on the heads of people who promoted Industrialization,
Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP that has led to
destruction of most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems on earth???
It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that produced Trillions of tonnes of
Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and
Nuclear Waste that has contaminated and poisoned the entire
planet......It was Industrial Society.
It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated millions of animal and plant species......It was Industrial Society.
It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed billions of acres of fertile
soil with cement, concrete and asphalt......It was Industrial Society.
It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated fish in the oceans......It was Industrial Fishing.
It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed millions of people in wars.......It was Military Industrial Complex.
Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.
For millions of years before industrialization the list of things that
destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and
shelter.......Animals destroyed environment for
food......Hunter_Gatherer Society destroyed environment for
food......Agrarian Society destroyed environment for food, clothing and
shelter.
Development is Destruction........Development is Destruction.
"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"
These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "Crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "Destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".
Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate & GDP are the biggest Killers, Murderers & Terrorists on earth.
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Environment has been destroyed by Cities.......Environment has been
destroyed by Urban Dwellers.........City People are doing extra work
which has led to exponential "extra destruction of
environment".......... Urban Dwellers are the destroyers of Forests,
Villages, Tribal Land, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere.
For millions of years "searching for food" / “producing food” were the
primary activities of animal species, hunter_gatherer society and
agrarian society.........and that is why they sustained for millions of
years because they destroyed very little environment compared to
Industrial Society.......For millions of years the list of things that
destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and shelter.
In Industrial Society 50% of world population is growing food for 100%
of population and the remaining 50% living in cities is primarily
engaged in production and marketing of "thousands of consumer goods and
services".
It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population exists in this world.
It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population is
engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.
It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population is promoting Industrial Activity.
Industrial Activity is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.
Consumerism is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.
Destruction of environment is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.
Most of the people who do not produce food are engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.
Most of the urban population is engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.
In America 90 - 95% of population is urban......In Europe 80 – 90% of
population is urban......this is why consumerism is so rampant in US and
West.
World wide the percentage of urban population is about 50%.......If the
entire world is made communist or socialist it is not going to stop/
reduce consumerism as long as the percentage of urban population remains
the same.
As long as Urban Population exists all Industrial Activities will
continue to exist and expand........ Energy Generation Industry, Mining
Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction
Industry, Oil Drilling Industry, Oil Refining Industry, Transportation
Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Network, Millions of
kilometers of Air Routes and Shipping Lanes.....all these Industrial
Activities will continue to exist and expand.
This planet cannot sustain a society that does not produce its own food.
This planet cannot sustain Urban population.
Environment has been destroyed primarily by Urban
Population......Environment has been destroyed primarily by population
that does not produce food.
This planet can only sustain a society in which [almost] the entire population is engaged in producing food.
One profession means destruction of environment for one
thing.......Thousands of professions means destruction of environment
for thousands of things.
Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.
Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million
years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.
Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over
10,000 years [compared to Industrial Society].......because their
activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.
Industrial Society has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems
in just 250 years......because it has destroyed environment for
"thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing
and shelter".
The list of unnecessary and destructive work in Industrial Society
includes......Manufacturing and Marketing of thousands of "Consumer
Goods" and Services, Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports
Industry, Military Industrial Complex, All kinds of unnecessary Research
.....and lots of other work.
Out of the population that does not produce Food, the maximum number of
people - a few billion people are engaged in Production and Marketing of
"Consumer Goods" and Services. Industrial Activity for production of
"consumer goods" and services is the biggest destroyer of environment.
Millions of people are working in Sports Industry......Environment is
destroyed to manufacture millions of tonnes of Sports
Equipment......Millions of Trees have been cut down and billions of
acres of fertile soil has been killed with Cement & Concrete to
build millions of Stadiums.
Millions of people are working in Tourism Industry......Tourism is all
about Travelling which promotes Transportation Industry that destroys
Environment......Millions of kilometers of Road and Rail network cutting
through Forests destroying Trees and Wildlife.....Millions of
kilometers of Shipping Lanes torturing and killing Fish.....Millions of
kilometers of Air Routes killing the Air with millions of tonnes of
exhaust gases.
Millions of people are working in Entertainment
Industry........Environment has been destroyed to construct millions of
Buildings that are used for entertainment and to produce millions of
tonnes of Electronic Equipment that provides entertainment.
Millions of people are working for "Military Industrial Complex"
producing and selling billions of tonnes of weapons all over the
world...... Environment is destroyed when weapons are produced and when
they are used.
Millions of City People are engaged in other unnecessary work that destroys even more environment.
Food, clothing and shelter......these are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans.
A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because
Industrialization has increased world population to 7
billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7
billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the
absence of industrialization world population would have been only a
small fraction of 7 billion today.
If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.
At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.
We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which
means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have
existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years
of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated
or minimized.
We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save
the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for
production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial
Activity must be limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in
these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the
minimum.
Humans habitually destroy their enviroment, no matter if the society they live in is industrial or not. The on;y difference is that industrial society has the capacity to do it on a larger scale; but this doesn't mean that non-industrial societies are less destructive - they just possess less tools to do so. Many pre-industrial societies collapsed because of the destruction of their enviroment. OTOH, a more developed spciety can learn to care more about the enviroment than a pre-industrial one, and possesses the resourses to preserve it's enviroment. The policy US has about creating national parks came about in industrial time, not before that. I don't think that cave-living is ant kind of panacea, besides it's unrealistic to think that it will happen - humanity wouldn't go back. What has to be done is to push forward in using infinite resources, not finite ones - in other words, inventions like the air-car /that India created and whose patent was bought and buried by whoever didn't want their profits from oil to fall down/ have to become policy for every country. It's not the industrial society per se, but whoever hold the big money in world perspective is that brings the ruin on nature. This is my opinion, of course.
Food, Clothing &
Shelter......these are the maximum number of things this planet can
provide to humans....... Industrial consumer goods must be eliminated
immediately.
Industrial Society is doing research on sustainability after destroying
75 - 90% of Biodiversity and Ecosystems. Nature has already done
millions of years of research on sustainability.......Nature has already
given us millions of years of proof of sustainability. Animals did not
destroy Environment for millions of years because their activity was
limited to searching for food. Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy
Environment for a million years because their activity was limited to
searching for food. Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of
environment over 10,000 years [compared to Industrial Society]because
their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.
For the last 50 years Intellectuals have been debating what is good for
Environment......Capitalist Industrial Society, Communist Industrial
Society or Socialist Industrial Society?
This is like debating what is good for people.....Capitalist Poison, Communist Poison or Socialist Poison.
Poison kills people.....it does'nt matter who made it ......Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.
Industrial Activity kills ecosystems.....It does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.
All Industrial Activity destroys environment......Mining Industry,
Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry,
Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil
Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road
network and Shipping Lanes…..they all destroy environment….. It does'nt
matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.
American Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…..Russian
Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Chinese Industrial
Activity has destroyed ecosystems…….Indian Industrial Activity has
destroyed ecosystems……Every Industrial Society destroys ecosystems…… It
does'nt matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or
Socialism.
In just 250 years Industrial Society has destroyed 75 - 90% of Forests,
Wild Animals and Fish Population......Population of Lions, Tigers and
Elephants is down to 2 - 5% of what it was 100 years ago......Population
of Large Fish in Oceans is down to 10% of what it was 100 years
ago.....Industrial Society has poisoned the entire planet with Trillions
of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste,
eWaste, Nuclear Waste.....It has killed Trillions of Animals in
Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of acres of Fertile Soil with
Cement And Concrete.
Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.
Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million
years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.
Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over
10,000 years[compared to Industrial Society].......because their
activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.
Industrial Society has destroyed almost all Ecosystems in just 250
years......because it is destroying environment for thousands of
consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.
Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods must stop
immediately.......Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and
Shelter......And even in these three fields production and consumption
must be kept to the minimum.
There is only one cause of environmental destruction......Industrialization.
Overpopulation and Overconsumerism are only consequences/ by-products of Industrialization.
Overconsumerism is quite obviously a consequence of
Industrialization..... Industrial consumer goods and services would not
exist without Industrial Activity.
Overpopulation is also a by-product of Industrialization. The entire
world was overbreeding until the middle years of 20th century.....even
Western Countries had 5 - 12 children per family[and even more].....and
yet population of the world remained low before industrialization
because of high death rate, lower life span and shortage of food and
water. It was only 1 billion in 1800 AD. India and China have large
populations today because they started with larger populations thousands
of years ago, since ancient civilizations thrived in these regions.
What was the population of Europe/ America/ West 2000 years
ago????......Was it comparable to eastern population of India and
China????
Industrialization is the cause of overpopulation and overconsumerism.
Moreover, Environment has been destroyed by Industrialization/ Consumerism…….Not by Population/ Overpopulation.
Total World Population has not increased ……It has decreased……In fact total world population has been decimated.
When we talk of population we should take into account population of all animal species, not just human population.
Industrial Society has decimated millions of Animal Species……Increase in
human population has coincided with decrease/ decimation of millions of
animal species. The total burden of population on this planet has not
increased…..It has decreased.
Industrial Society has decimated millions of other species.....but there
was a time when the combined population of other animal species was
much greater than present human population.....and we don't even need to
include smaller animals in this count.....the combined population of
big animals alone whose size and weight was equivalent to or greater
than man was much greater than current human population of 7 billion.
The amount of food this animal population was eating was much greater
than the food consumed by humans today.......Yet millions of animal
species did not destroy environment and lived sustainably on earth for
millions of years......because they destroyed environment only for food
and not for thousands of consumer goods and services.
If animals had started a consumerist "Industrial Society" millions of
years ago they would have destroyed all ecosystems millions of years
ago.
The entire world has been trying to control human population for 50
years and these efforts should / will continue in future.....so where is
the problem with population?????
What is the cause of human overpopulation??????......It is
Industrialization......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800
to 7 billion today ........In the absence of Industrialization world
population would only be a small fraction of 7 billion today.
It is not population that destroys environment......It is
lifestyle.......The combined population of millions of animal species
was much greater than present human population.......and yet they did
not destroy environment for millions of years because they destroyed
environment only for Food.......not for Thousands of Consumer Goods.
The cause of Environmental Destruction is Industrialization / Consumerism.........Not population / overpopulation.
A Hunter_Gatherer Society of 7 billion would not destroy environment
[And a Hunter_Gatherer Society would never reach a population of 7
billion]
An Agrarian Society of 7 billion would cause much lesser environmental
destruction than an Industrial Society of 7 billion [And an Agrarian
Society would never reach a population of 7 billion]
Industrialization is the cause of Human Overpopulation and Overconsumerism
It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to complain about
overpopulation when it itself is the cause of overpopulation......It is
so ridiculous of Industrial Society to make attempts to control
population while promoting Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and
GDP exponentially.
Height of Insanity!
Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods must stop
immediately.......Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and
Shelter.
sushil_yadav
Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
I admit I didnt actually read everything you wrote, but there are some things to consider about your arguments.
You generally connect Industrial progress to overpopulation and environmental pollution. Thinking of most developing nations you are right, one good example might be China.
But if we think of other countries who have already made greater progress, these effects are in fact reduced. As an example the population growth of Europe is reduced to a level so low, some regions actually start experiencing a decline of population.
The Scandinavian States cover a lot of their energy consumption by use of water-related, renewable sources, so the pollution is on a very low level.
The prototype for an almost waste-free fusion reactor is being built in France, a technology which will be more powerful than a nuclear powerplant, fueled by renewable resources.
So industrial progress is not a dead end street. You might argue that the standard of live in the "western world" may suffer as soon as indirect profit from the cheaper labour conditions of the developing nations is not possible anymore. If however further progress of science is taken into account, a comparably high standard of live might be possible all around the world.
The psychological effects are difficult to compare to any alternatives. I doubt that I would be happier to be a rachitic hunter/fisherman with twelve siblings, half of whom died in infancy. The constant danger of hunger, hunting accidents and diseases without any security would probably not be benificial to anyones mental health. But you might be right, I definitely agree that the mental aspects of health are undervalued today.
The idea of returning to a "natural" way of live is not realistic. Even if people willingly gave up the comforts of modern live, there is one great problem. The earths population is too big to live as hunters and gatherers. What is supposed to happen to the surplus of people? Should they just let be starved to death? Many people have a very romantic idea of natural live, but apart from the obvious problems one has just to imagine the impact of the next ice age, or another eruption of Mount Toba.
Industrial Society is speeding up the demise of ecosystems by providing jobs to all - education to all.
After Industrial Revolution work turned into extra work, over work, unnecessary work, destructive work.
Most of the people living in cities are engaged in the destructive cycle of production of consumer goods, selling of consumer goods, buying of consumer goods.This planet is very small - just 40,000 km in circumference. Today 50% of world population is living in cities - and this percentage is increasing day by day.
Provide jobs to all? Provide education to all? - oh yes, provide jobs/education to all and very soon the human species will go out of existence.
The entire education system is promoting consumerism, extra work, over work, unnecessary work, destructive work.
People who are getting education in technology/ engineering.... are engaged in production of consumer goods.
People who are getting education in the fields of business, finance, MBA....are engaged in selling of consumer goods.
Most of the people getting education in Arts subjects are also engaged in selling of consumer goods and services - sales and marketing jobs.
If we destroy ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter, health-care the ecosystems will last longer. If we destroy ecosystems for consumer goods in addition to food, clothing, shelter, health-care the ecosystems will finish much sooner.
Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water,land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].
By providing jobs to all - education to all, Industrial Society is destroying the very things that created and sustained all life on earth for millions of years.
Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.
What would happen to your home if 1000 people entered and started doing work continuously - 24 X 7 - picking up things already lying in the house, breaking them up and making new things out of them without stopping?
A similar thing is happening to the planet - 6.8 billion people continuously engaging in work - destroying the ecosystems moment by moment.
Man started destroying "extra" after Industrial Revolution. This "extra" destruction has risen exponentially in the last 50 years.
Work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work. People who are working to provide food, clothing, shelter and healthcare are doing work - rest of the population is engaged in overwork, unnecessary work, destructive work.
Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured / created by MultiNational Corporations. Who can undo the damage that has been done to ecosystems by billions of people over a period of 200 - 250 years?
Industrial Society has killed billions of acres of fertile soil by covering it with cement and concrete.This is insanity of the highest degree - insanity raised to the power of infinity.We have got a very small planet. On this small planet two-thirds of surface area is water. Only one-third is land - and this includes vast areas of land that are not fertile - deserts, rocky mountains, ice/ glaciers. There is very little surface area on earth which is fertile. It is this fertile soil that has produced food for millions of species that have lived on land for millions of years. Killing billions of acres of fertile soil is insanity of the highest degree - insanity raised to the power of infinity.The punishment is coming - very soon - punishment of the highest degree - punishment raised to the power of infinity.
These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons. Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.
Industry produces three kinds of waste - solid, liquid and gaseous.
There are only three places on earth where this waste can go - air, water, land.
There is no fourth place on earth where Industrial waste can go.
Industrial Society has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous waste - billions of tonnes of metal waste, chemical waste, plastic waste, eWaste, nuclear waste.........
This waste has killed, polluted and poisoned rivers, lakes, oceans, underground water, the soil/ land, the air/ sky.
Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.
We have created a society that rapes, plunders and exploits "Mother Earth" 365 days of the year - and then celebrates Earth Day.
When someone destroys the home of a human being it is considered a crime and the accused is sent to prison.
When the human species collectively destroys the homes [ecosystems] of millions of other species it is called Progress, Growth, Development.
The police, the law, the judiciary are trying to catch a few criminals - they do not realize the entire Industrial Society is criminal.
Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trying to classify a few people as abnormal - they do not realize the entire Industrial Society is abnormal.
What is most amazing about the issue of sustainability is the fact that modern society is trying to sustain the unsustainable - it is trying to sustain a consumerist system which has existed for almost zero percent of human existence on earth. The present consumerist lifestyle has existed for about 100 years. If we com...pare this with the total duration of human existence on earth it comes to almost zero percent.
The two things that have destroyed Environment are - Overpopulation and Overconsumerism.
Science, Technology and Industrialization are responsible for both these problems. World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800. Nature had its way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus. When man made medicines/ antibiotics he created disaster - population increased very rapidly. In the absence of "Industrial Agriculture" the feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control. If Industrial Revolution had not happened, environmental destruction due to production of consumer goods would not exist. In the absence of Science, Technology and "Industrial Revolution" we would not be facing the two problems that have caused destruction of ecosystems - overpopulation and overconsumerism.
If "Industrial Revolution" had not happened what would be the scenario today?
The feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control.
Diseases caused by virus and bacteria would have kept population under control.
Maybe I would'nt be existing today - and billions of others may not have existed - but millions/ billions of humans would exist [just like they existed before Industrialization]
Most ecosystems would be hundreds of times/ thousands of times in better shape than today.
Millions of other species that have been decimated by Industrial Society would be existing in very healthy numbers - their population levels thousands of times greater than what they are now.
Providing food, clothing, shelter and healthcare is good. But did "Industrial Society" stop at that?
Do we have an Industrial Society that only provides food, clothing, shelter and healthcare to people?
No - the jokers tried to sell hundreds of consumer goods to all citizens of Industrial Society. They tried to make all people consumerists.
Industrial Society started destroying ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to destroying them for food, clothing and shelter.
You cannot do this on a small planet that is just 40,000 km in circumference. If you live this way you end up destroying all ecosystems - you end up decimating all other species - you end up destroying animals, trees, air, water and land - the very things that created and sustained all life on earth.
The earth is sick.
Ecosystems are dying.
Animals, trees, air, water and land are dying.
People say - why bother, it was meant to happen this way, nature will take care of itself.
When people fall sick - they rush to the doctor to save themselves.
When people fall sick - they rush to the hospital to save themselves.
Insane, abnormal, selfish, criminal human species.
Almost every country has been claiming its green cover is increasing.
How can this ever be true?
A fully grown tree is cut down in seconds/ minutes.
It takes 20 years for a tree to grow fully.
The rate of destruction of fully grown trees is hundreds of thousands of times greater than the rate of replacement of fully grown trees.
And only a small percentage of trees that are planted survive to grow into healthy adult trees.
And even if you manage to replace trees how are you going to replace the population of millions of species of animals, birds and insects that lived in the forest and died when the forest was cut down.
Secondly where are you planting new trees? You can plant new trees on forest land only if forest land remains forest land.
But this is not the case.
We have got a very small planet whose circumference is just 40,000 km. On this small planet two-thirds of surface area is water. Included in the remaining land area are deserts, rocky mountains and glaciers which do not support vegetation.
If the soil is fertile and gets rain it will grow forests, trees, plants, vegetation by itself. This is how nature grew all the forests in this world.
Before the arrival of man all the land that could grow forests had forests on it.
Then the genius human species arrived on the scene.
First he cut down forests for fire, then he cut down forests for agriculture and villages. After Industrial Revolution forests were cut down for towns and cities, for setting up industries/ factories, for mining and extraction of raw material/minerals, for railways, for road network.
So once the forest is cut down the land is taken up for agriculture, for cattle grazing, for industry, for towns and cities, for rail and road network.
So where are the new trees being planted? Where are they growing up?
How can green cover ever increase?
Lies, lies, lies .........blatant lies.
The rate of destruction of forests has risen exponentially after Industrial Revolution.
One can know the truth by looking at the satellite pictures of forests - before and after. One can compare the pictures taken 30 years ago with those taken this year.
Why did God create the insane human species that is ready to do everything for the wrong cause and nothing for the right cause – a species which is willing to do everything to destroy the ecosystems and nothing to save the ecosystems.
Man is ready to kill and get killed for religion, for country, for honour, for power, for money and fame - But not for environment.
Millions have been killed over trivial issues and causes. Millions have died for trivial issues and causes.
How many people have died for environment? How many people have died for the most important / precious things on earth – animals, trees, air, water and land – the very things that created and sustained all life on earth.
Most of the ecosystems are already gone. The little that remains is dying moment by moment. The situation is extremely critical but the human response is limited to the same old insanity – bring this technology, bring that technology - bring this technology, bring that technology.
Environmentalism has failed. Environmentalism never existed. It was Pseudo-Environmentalism all the way.
When 3000 people died in World Trade Center collapse the west was outraged - Killers, Murderers, Terrorists - they cried out. America vowed to smoke out the culprits - attacked Afghanistan, flattened the country and killed hundreds of thousands of people [directly or indirectly].
When American company "Union Carbide"... killed 20,000 people in Bhopal, India the same desire for justice was not shown by the west.
Why? - Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?
There are hundreds of insecticides/ pesticides that are banned in western countries but the west is selling millions of tonnes of these chemicals in asia - leading to millions of deaths [directly or indirectly].
Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?
The west is shipping millions of tonnes of toxic , hazardous waste to asian countries for recycling - leading to millions of deaths [directly or indirectly].
Is this not killing, murder, terrorism?
The Military Industrial Complex has killed millions of people in wars. No terrorist organization has killed that many people.
Industry kills - Industry kills humans, Industry kills animals, Industry kills trees, Industry kills air, Industry kills water, Industry kills land.
Industry is the killer - Industry is the murderer - Industry is the terrorist.
Destruction of ecosystems will soon lead to collapse of Industrial Society.
Humans have decimated millions of other species - very soon it will be the turn of Humans to get decimated.
But even decimation of humans will not save ecosystems - only a total wipe-out of humans will save ecosystems.
If a few million humans survive they will again try to build another Industrial Society because they have seen such a society.
Only human extinction will work.
When the human species appears again there must be no memory of Industrialization and consumerism left in the human brain.
It would be best if the human species never ever appears on the planet again.
This planet can only sustain societies that produce their own food.
This planet cannot sustain societies that do not produce their own food.
Everyone in this world is eating food.
But everyone in this world is not producing food.
Today 50% of world population is living in cities. This population is not producing food. A society that does not produce its own food creates unnecessary work to keep itself occupied. People would go crazy if this unnecessary work is not created. A city-based/ non-farming society is mostly engaged in production and selling of consumer goods and services. Work turns into over-work, extra work, destructive work.
When society produces its own food it destroys ecosystems for food, clothing, shelter.
When society does not produce its own food it destroys ecosystems for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing, shelter.
Cities existed before Industrial Revolution but their destructive impact was very little because they were not producing consumer goods that are being made today.
We can never save environment if we are destroying extra - We can never save environment if we destroy it for "consumer goods" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.
It is impossible to save environment as long as cities exist.
It is impossible to save environment if we have societies that do not produce their own food.
Over-exploitation of ecosystems became possible only due to modern technology/ machines.
In the absence of modern technology/ machines it would be impossible for man to destroy all ecosystems.
If modern technology/ machines had not come into existence man would have probably destroyed some ecosystems on land [forests] - and that too at a much slower rate than that of the present Industrial Society.
It would have been impossible for man to destroy ecosystems in the sea/ oceans.
It would have been impossible for man to carry out largescale mining activity and destroy ecosystems on the surface and deep inside the earth.
It would have been impossible for man to poison the earth with thousands of toxic chemicals.
It would have been impossible for man to generate billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous waste that has poisoned the air, water and land - the entire planet.
It would have been impossible for man to generate billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic waste, eWaste, nuclear waste...... that has poisoned the entire planet.
The Machine has killed all ecosystems.
It is impossible to save the remaining ecosystems as long as the machine exists.
The Machine will devour everything that remains on earth.
Machine is the killer.
Kill the machine.
The shameless, insane, abnormal and criminal human species gets alarmed only when other species are about to go extinct – not before. And even this late concern is fake - how could it ever be real.
The crime happens much before extinction of species. The tragedy happens much before extinction of species.
This planet was made for millions of species - not for man alone.
The crime/ tragedy happened much earlier than extinction when man decimated all other species.
The crime/ tragedy happened much earlier when the population of each species dropped from millions to thousands and hundreds.
How would humans feel if the roles were reversed and the following happened.
All the animals of the world join hands to decimate the human species.
Humans are outraged , they cry out - killers, murderers, criminals, terrorists.
The animals say - "what are you complaining about?".
We are so compassionate - we did'nt kill all of you.
You should be grateful that we did'nt make you extinct.
There are 10 of you still alive on every continent.
Jobs or Environment?
Economy or Environment?
These are the questions that are being asked today.
This is insanity raised to the power of infinity.
Do we need to discuss, debate and argue for 100 years to know the answer?
Do we need to do research for 100 years to know the answer?
What would be the response of this genius society if professional killers said - you should not stop us from killing people - if you do that you are taking away our jobs.
Jobs are killing ecosystems, work is killing ecosystems, economy is killing ecosystems - work has turned into overwork, unnecessary work, extra work, destructive work.
Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [animals, trees, air, water, land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].
Without environment humans will not even exist.
Without environment millions of other species will not exist.
We are alive because of nature - we owe our very existence to nature.
But this insane, abnormal and criminal "Industrial Society" continues to choose jobs instead of environment - economy instead of environment.
Insanity raised to the power of infinity.
Out of millions of species the human species is the only species which is insane enough to believe that food comes from money.
Millions of other species have lived on earth for millions of years. Their food did not come from money.
Food does not come from money - food comes from nature - food grows because of nature - food exists because of fertile soil, water, air, sunlight.......
Industrial Society has killed, polluted, poisoned the very things that produce food.
You can load trillions of dollars into a rocket and send it to the moon - you will not be able to buy a single grain of food over there.
Money is paper, money is plastic - money is not food.
Chief Seattle of the Indian Tribe had warned :
"only after the last tree has been cut down, only after the last river has been poisoned, only after the last fish has been caught, only then will you realize that you cannot eat money"
When is this insane society going to understand that it is not just Industrial accidents that destroy ecosystems - all Industrial activity destroys ecosystems.
The Bhopal gas tragedy killed 20,000 people, crippled half a million people for life, killed thousands of animals and birds, killed/ polluted/ poisoned... the air, water and soil.
Union Carbide was making pesticides/ insecticides in its plant. These carcinogenic insecticides and pesticides are killing millions of people all over the world every year - directly or indirectly. These toxic insecticides and pesticides are poisoning millions of acres of soil every year, These toxic insecticides and pesticides are killing millions of animals and birds every year. These toxic insecticides and pesticides are poisoning the underground and above-ground water sources. These toxic insecticides and pesticides have poisoned the entire food chain leading to multiple organ failure, genetic defects, birth defects.
If the Bhopal Gas Tragedy had not happened the toxic insecticides and pesticides produced by Union Carbide would have still led to destruction of ecosystems, killing of humans, animals, birds, air, water and soil.
Recently there was an oil spill in the sea in US. The oil is killing marine life.
Oil kills ecosystems when it spills into the sea.
Oil kills ecosystems even when it does'nt spill into the sea.
If the oil had not spilled into the sea it would have been used to power ships that move around oceans - catching fish, killing marine life, torturing marine life moment by moment. At any given time there are 50,000 ships moving in the oceans.
If the oil had not spilled it would have been used to run millions of cars, other vehicles, aeroplanes - whose exhausts would release millions of tonnes of toxic gases into the atmosphere. That is not all - ecosystems are killed to manufacture millions of cars, trucks, ships and aeroplanes that run on oil.
If the oil had not spilled into the sea it would have been used to run millions of industries and factories - all of which kill ecosystems - animals, trees, air, water, land.
When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.
Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.
It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".
Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.
Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.
Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.
Industries burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.
Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.
When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.
When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.
Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.
Industrial Society has generated billions of tonnes of hazardous solid, liquid and gaseous waste - billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic waste, eWaste, chemical waste, nuclear waste.
When an Industrial accident happens the focus of entire world shifts to it.
All environmentalists are outraged.
As if the environment was in good shape before the accident and will be in good shape after the accident.
The problem is not Industrial accident -the problem is not any particular Industrial accident - the problem is Industry itself.
Industrial accidents will continue to happen as long as Industry exists.
They will only get bigger and bigger.
Bigger the Industry bigger the Industrial accident.
Industry kills ecosystems when there is an Industrial accident.
Industry kills ecosystems even when there is no Industrial accident.
All Industrial activity is an accident.
All Industrial activity destroys ecosystems.
All Industrial activity kills animals, trees, air, water, land.
All Industrial activity leads to environmental crisis, environmental disaster, environmental catastrophe.
It is impossible to save ecosystems as long as industry exists.
Technology has destroyed ecosystems.
But the Techno-Worshippers of this insane Industrial Society want still more technology, new technology, better technology, advanced technology - they claim that technology will save the ecosystems.
Two thousand years ago the air was clean - it was not contaminated with billions of tonnes of toxic Industrial gases and particulate matter.
Which technology made the air clean? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?
Two thousand years ago the rivers and oceans were clean - they were not contaminated with billions of tonnes of toxic Industrial waste.
Which technology made the water clean? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?
Two thousand years ago the planet was full of forests - millions of species thrived - their population was hundreds and thousands of times greater than what it is now.
Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?
Two thousand years ago the oceans were full of fish and other marine species.
Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?
Two thousand years ago billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous waste did not exist on this planet.
Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?
Two thousand years ago billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic waste, chemical waste, eWaste, nuclear waste did not exist on this planet.
Which technology made this possible? - American?....British?....German?....Japanese?
Technology does not save ecosystems - it is the absence of technology that saves ecosystems.
Science, technology and industrialization lead to over-exploitation of ecosystems.
Technology is not the saviour of ecosystems - technology is the destroyer of ecosystems.
sushil_yadav Delhi, India Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
But Decebal, do you think change will happen in any meaningful way? I'm doubting it. I'm close to just sitting back and enjoying life and waiting for the collapse to happen...
Concrete is heavy; iron is hard--but the grass will prevail.
Edward Abbey
I agree with many of the assertions that the original poster wrote, but some of them are off the mark. For instance the assertion that one cannot feel any emotion whatsoever when thinking is just plain wrong imho. Also, it's the same human hubris which is causing us to destroy the planet's ecosystem which is making us think that that we can possible destroy all life on earth. The earth is a very dynamic system which has rebounded from much much worse conditions than anything going on right now or likely to happen within the next few hundred years. Ther will be a major crisis if things continue, life will go on, but it is the very existance of the human species that is in hazard during the crisis.
Also thinking that the natural mechanisms which would normally regulate overpopulation have been bypassed once and for all, is another example of human hubris. As we speak, many strains of dangerous bacteria are mutating to aquire resistance to antibiotics. As well, the massive increase in population is largely caused by the availability of fossil fuels (which are becoming more and more expensive), to make the fertilizers needed for industrial food production and to power the vehicles and mahinery needed to move it and process it. With oil prices rising, come rising food prices and we are starting to see its results right now. Within the next few decades the combined effects of expensive food, untreatable diseases and yes environmental degradation will start to have a very noticeable effect on human population growth and will force an economic need for a systemic change.
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