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    Posted: 03-May-2008 at 09:23
 
....to the ultra-nationalists....
 
 
 
  • a media "hostage" of political Slavmacedonian propagandists
  • a media with editors that ignored its history and past
  • a media that is "collaborated" with Slavmacedonists like Boroski


Edited by akritas - 03-May-2008 at 09:25
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What I don't understand is why they don't apologise to us for naming them "Macedonians"
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2008 at 10:46
What should they call them? Irish? Zulu?
 
Although the Current Events page allows for the fmr blackist topics to be added, this dose not seem to be a current event.
 
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Posts: 566 		  Quote Vorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2008 at 15:54
Originally posted by Sparten

What should they call them? Irish? Zulu?
 
Although the Current Events page allows for the fmr blackist topics to be added, this dose not seem to be a current event.
 
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LOL, I was merely asking why they don't care what WE find offensive.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2008 at 17:27
Almost everything you say is offensive to someone.
 
 
In this vein, "India" means "Land of River Indus". The Indus is in Pakistan, indeed it is the life blood of Pakistan, but it gives its name to our friendly nation across the border. In fact their name is'nt even officially India, its Bharat. So should Pakistanis be insulted?
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Posts: 566 		  Quote Vorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2008 at 18:23
Originally posted by Sparten

Almost everything you say is offensive to someone.
 
 
In this vein, "India" means "Land of River Indus". The Indus is in Pakistan, indeed it is the life blood of Pakistan, but it gives its name to our friendly nation across the border. In fact their name is'nt even officially India, its Bharat. So should Pakistanis be insulted?


Exactly. That's why stations shouldn't apologise.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2008 at 19:01
Originally posted by Vorian

What I don't understand is why they don't apologise to us for naming them "Macedonians"


What a nice touch of arrogance.



How percesily did you name them that? Considering that most of Greece has a Slavic admixture since the 6-7th cts. how do we determine which side the northern or southern gains this "slavomacedonian" term?

i am pettitioning formally that Georgia change its English version name as it offends my eyes, the only Georgia should be a state within the good 'ole US of A.


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Originally posted by es_bih

Originally posted by Vorian

What I don't understand is why they don't apologise to us for naming them "Macedonians"


What a nice touch of arrogance.



How percesily did you name them that? Considering that most of Greece has a Slavic admixture since the 6-7th cts. how do we determine which side the northern or southern gains this "slavomacedonian" term?

i am pettitioning formally that Georgia change its English version name as it offends my eyes, the only Georgia should be a state within the good 'ole US of A.





It's not arrogance. It's sarcasm.

Second, how exactly do you propose we call Greek Macedonians then, living in Macedonia?

As for the Georgia comment, yeah it's really relevant to the dispute.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2008 at 19:21
Call them Philip's pals, Alexander's Androids, jokers, French, Macedonians. Call them whatever you want or desire. But whats a fight over a name.
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Originally posted by Sparten

Call them Philip's pals, Alexander's Androids, jokers, French, Macedonians. Call them whatever you want or desire. But whats a fight over a name.


Philip's Pals sounds nice, lets call the country philippines, wait a second its a country already.

philip's pals, hahaha, pryhus pros
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Posts: 566 		  Quote Vorian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2008 at 21:07
Originally posted by Sparten

Call them Philip's pals, Alexander's Androids, jokers, French, Macedonians. Call them whatever you want or desire. But whats a fight over a name.


Since you have participated in other threads you know it's not only about a name.

And besides, it's easy to find a dispute laughable when you don't have the slightest connection with it, do you know how ridiculous for example is the Pakistan-India conflict sounds to a Greek or Skopjan (if he has ever bothered with it)??

From my point of view you people fight over mountains that worth nothing. From your point, we fight for a stupid name. It's all about where you stand.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-May-2008 at 22:23
Do you know how offensive they feel about being called Skopjan instead of Macedonian?
Blocking a nation out of Nato is silly not sarcasm.

call all kinds Macedonian. That solves the issue. A Macedonian citizenship should be stressed. Then suddenly you have an inclusive term versus an exclusive.


And, it saves you time on deciding who it is exclusive to.


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A Greek born in Greek Makedonia is still Greek by citizenship and on his passport so I don't see why there's a name conflict at all.

Iranians are giving Azerbaijan crap for similar reasons.
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Posts: 1460 		  Quote akritas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-May-2008 at 14:31
Originally posted by es_bih

  Considering that most of Greece has a Slavic admixture since the 6-7th cts. 
This is a nationalist and racist quote.
How do you know that most of the Greece has  Slavic mixture ?
Historical  and archaeological evidence collapse your racist quote. Genetic and anthropological analysies also.
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-May-2008 at 14:59
Careful before you accuse people of being racist akritas.
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If you consider Byzantine and Ottoman empire as multi-cultural and national empires, you may accept many people had moved across today borders and had mixed with other nationalities. 

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Posts: 1673 		  Quote Suren Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-May-2008 at 15:25
Originally posted by kafkas

A Greek born in Greek Makedonia is still Greek by citizenship and on his passport so I don't see why there's a name conflict at all.

Iranians are giving Azerbaijan crap for similar reasons.


As long as Azerbaijanis (Former Soviet Union Azerbaijan) want to call themselves Azerbaijani we have no problem, but when they start to manipulate history with laughable claims then they need some guidance.
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Yes, If you consider byzantine and Ottoman empire as multi-cultural and national empires, you may accept many people had moved across today borders and had mixed with other nationalities. 


To compare the random Slavic tribes that settled in Greece with the complete Slavification of FYROM is not racistic but clearly short-sighted. Nobody here claimed Greeks are pure descendants of Perikles or Alexander. But they are the closest available.
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Posts: 1460 		  Quote akritas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-May-2008 at 16:12
Originally posted by Sparten

Careful before you accuse people of being racist akritas.
Why ?
....are you also adopted his "ideas" ?
 ...that most of  Greece has a Slavic admixture since the 6-7th cts ?
how you call someone that put blood and dna with the ethnicity, at least within a race ?
 


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-May-2008 at 16:39
Originally posted by akritas

Originally posted by es_bih

  Considering that most of Greece has a Slavic admixture since the 6-7th cts. 
This is a nationalist and racist quote.
How do you know that most of the Greece has  Slavic mixture ?
Historical  and archaeological evidence collapse your racist quote. Genetic and anthropological analysies also.

Why is it racist to be called Slavic? Is there something wrong with Slavs?
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