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    Posted: 12-Jan-2018 at 18:56

Resurrecting a monstrously old thread here, but I think the most accurate answer would be Ireland. It had a nationalistic identity before the Norman Invasion and maintained it throughout the entire 800 years of occupation (which in parts has continued to this day). Unlike most examples the lines are pretty clear cut as both the invader and the invaded were (or are) islands. It was never seen as a mere extension of Britain and the Irish people were always culturally considered a separate people. Granted, it wasn't a united land when the Normans first invaded, but it had been a united land not long before that and the people were considered part of the same cultural heritage.

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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 06:18
Originally posted by Mortaza

If one day greeks returned  to anatolia, is this mean a new occupation? or finishing occupation of  turks? I think If we dont limit occupation with militaristic way, It  would realy turn a bad supprise.

 


I am not quite certain about what you are saying in the second sentence so do excuse me. For the first sentence I would argue that if the vast bulk of the people of Anatolia welcomed the Greeks and Greece need not keep forces in Anatolia to suppress internal enemies, then it would not be an occupation. But if military forces are needed there to keep the area under control, then that is an occupation.

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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 06:13

If one day greeks returned  to anatolia, is this mean a new occupation? or finishing occupation of  turks? I think If we dont limit occupation with militaristic way, It  would realy turn a bad supprise.

 

 

 

 

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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 06:07
I think an occupation is an occupation whichever way you look at it. Rome did great things for the development of Western Europe, but that doesn't change the fact that her presence there was an occupation. I think the thing we have to decide is whether it was a "good" occupation or a "bad" one .
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 06:02
I  think If this militaristic power built political and economical institutions(like collecting tax), It should no more be called as occupation.
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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 05:46
Originally posted by Mortaza

isnt occupation a militaristic term?

 



Basically. By occupation I think most people mean to have a military presence in an area through which the military's government exercises power and influence.
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  Quote Mortaza Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 05:25

isnt occupation a militaristic term?

 

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  Quote cg rommel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jan-2006 at 05:21
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Originally posted by kotumeyil

Ottoman occupation in Balkans lasted about 500 years...

The term "occupation" is inapropriate here.



How is it inapropriate?
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  Quote malizai Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jan-2006 at 20:02

Originally posted by kotumeyil

Ottoman occupation in Balkans lasted about 500 years...

 

i will second that, the occupied never accepted their overlords. when a people accept their occupiers then the occupation ends.

I think there have been instances where a peolpe have invited others to occupy their land to free themselves from tyranical rule. (sorry, dont have references, can't remember too well. maybe someone else can. I think the people were syrians 

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  Quote Ikki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jan-2006 at 07:54
I agree with Constantine XI, the spartan ocupation of Messenia.
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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jan-2006 at 16:20
Originally posted by Genghis

I think occupation here implies that a military presence was needed to maintain control over those areas.  For most empires this is not needed after a decade or so of rule, so a few of the examples given wouldn't count in my mind.


Well I would probably nominate Sparta with her rule over Messenia. Her entire national body transformed into an army to keep the helots under control, this being the state of affairs for many hundreds of years.
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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Jan-2006 at 11:01
Originally posted by the Bulgarian

Originally posted by kotumeyil

Ottoman occupation in Balkans lasted about 500 years...

The term "occupation" is inapropriate here.

In fact you're right. I used it like this since it was used in this way before... 

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  Quote Genghis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Dec-2005 at 17:43
I think occupation here implies that a military presence was needed to maintain control over those areas.  For most empires this is not needed after a decade or so of rule, so a few of the examples given wouldn't count in my mind.
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  Quote Spartakus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Dec-2005 at 17:13

This topic is ancient!

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  Quote the Bulgarian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Dec-2005 at 17:10

Originally posted by kotumeyil

Ottoman occupation in Balkans lasted about 500 years...

The term "occupation" is inapropriate here.

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Originally posted by Constantine XI

How about the Norman occupation of England? 1066-    .

Of course that is disputable, as eventually occupations cease being occupations when the native population assimilates the conquerors, or vica versa.

Yeah, the english eventually did assimilate their norman conquerers, the only main thing that the normans assimilated was their way of aristocracy beat the old english way.

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  Quote kotumeyil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Dec-2005 at 08:41
Ottoman occupation in Balkans lasted about 500 years...
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Dec-2005 at 17:18

Originally posted by Kshtriya

Either it is the british occupation of hong kong or it MIGHT be Gibraltar, but that is up to debate

Neither Hong Kong or Gibralter are countries.

Romans occupied Spain for a long time, but it wasn't a country back then, like the Vietnam case.

China occupied by the Mongols, Greece by the Ottomans both were countries in their modern state before invasion.



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  Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Dec-2005 at 17:04
How about the Norman occupation of England? 1066-    .

Of course that is disputable, as eventually occupations cease being occupations when the native population assimilates the conquerors, or vica versa.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Dec-2005 at 16:50

"many Viet chieftains are proud to call themselves Han people during the Han dynasty and Tang people during the Tang dynasty"

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