Why does Turkey & Pakistan have great friendship?

If you look at it in retrospect, most of Islamic History (besides African & South East Asian) was the hegemony of different Turks laced deep in Persian Culture. The greats of the Muslim World all had elements of Turkish rulers and Persian Culture.

I think Turkish understanding of Islam is little bit different from, say, Arabic form of Islam. There's no conception of Ummah in Turkey basically - which is because of the nationalization process of Turkish society I believe. Even most religous groups in Turkey don't use the term ummah so much when spreading their propagandas. Not to mention that being a supporter of ummah -or more properly "�mmetci"- is generally seen as a shame by nationalist groups in Turkey.

Than you did not listen Refah propoganda much. Ummah is not used but idea is there.

Omar al Hashim Providing thousands of troops to the Ottoman Empire from the future countries of Afghanistan, Pakistan & India. I don't know about in Turkey, but the Turks I have met outside of Turkey, (and therefore still identify as Turks, else I wouldn't have known they were Turkish) certainly have the concept of Ummah.

Originally posted by xi_tujue kara Kitai isn't turkic

i guess he was refering to Qaraqanids.

Well, allying with liberals and EU does not mean becoming a liberal and europeanist. They always called themself as conservative.(Infact, It is a conflict between deep state and goverment. So when liberals are supporting AKP, kemalist are supporting deep state.  

Originally posted by Temujin Originally posted by xi_tujue kara Kitai isn't turkic i guess he was refering to Qaraqanids.

most likely

Kafkas Of course both parties trace their ideologies back Nihal Atsiz's works

Edited by Bulldog - 17-Mar-2008 at 23:17

Originally posted by Kafkas These are my sentiments exactly (my great-grandfather fought in WWI). What makes it worse is that Arab countries also have very anti-Turkish domestic and foreign policies, and to this day, despite their talk of "brotherhood", they are very proud of the cooperation they gave to the Allies against the Ottoman State. Even all the Arab-American and influential so called "Islamic" organizations in the US, such as CAIR, openly cooperate with anti-Turkish lobbies (even supporting Armenian occupation of Azerbaijan).

I think you are missing a little bit here. I would say not that they are anti-turkish, but anti-kemalist. People have mostly forgotten that the secular-nationalist elements had already seized much power in the Ottoman Empire before the Arab revolt.
The Arabs stayed with the Empire until right at the end, well after nationalists like Kemal had already alienated non-Turk Arabs.

Not to mention of course that the nationalist tendencies were affecting the Arabs too; and all over the world in the 20th century nationalism took precedence over Ummahism.

While in the modern world I think there are not too many people who support the Arab revolt. You should be careful about thinking that the Arabs betrayed the Turks, because equally did the Turks betray the Arabs.

~And if you hadn't noticed the Ummah consists of many more people than just Arabs and Turks
~And the Arab revolt didn't include most Arabs