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    Posted: 28-Feb-2008 at 13:32
What if The Confederate army won at Gettysburg with minimal losses and secured military aid from Britain and France... what could have happened?
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  Quote deadkenny Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Feb-2008 at 17:27
Looks like 'Historical Amusement' material to me.
It is necessary to specify what you mean by 'winning' at Gettysburg and what sort of military aid you see coming from Europe.  The CSA would have still been 'blockaded' by the USA, even after a CSA 'victory' at Gettysburg.  Are you assuming that the RN would 'break' that blockade?  Militarily the CSA is still in trouble 'out west'.  Unless you assume that the CSA manages to parlay the 'victory' at Gettysburg into some sort of 'treaty' with the USA, or that it triggers a major intervention by Europeans on behalf of the CSA, all it amounts to is (yet another) military setback for the USA at the hands of R.E. Lee.  The west still collapses, Sherman still marches to the sea and the AoNV is still caught between the hammer and the anvil.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Feb-2008 at 19:11
Firstly, the French would not have thrown their lot in with the Confederacy.  The British may have, but the reality is that by the 1860's both France and Britain had had enough of the "American" problem, and had thier own internal and external problems to deal with that certainly didn't include getting involved in a civil war across the pond. 
 
But an interesting question anyway.  Even more interesting, What if the French HAD NOT involved themselves in the Revolutionary War at all?  Would we Yanks now be watching the World Cup with same enthusiasm as the Super Bowl?
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  Quote IDonT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Mar-2008 at 21:16
Originally posted by Sun Tzu

What if The Confederate army won at Gettysburg with minimal losses and secured military aid from Britain and France... what could have happened?
 
A more plausible what if occured a year before at Antitam. 
 
Even if Lee won at Gettysburg, Grant still would have taken Vicksburg and split the confederacy. 
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Well technically Lee did win at Gettysburg, just not decisively. He captured the town and the roads and had pinned the Union army on top of Cemetery Ridge. He just could not dislodge the Union army no more than the Union army could dislodge the Confederates. It became a futile stalemate, and even though Lee had control of the field, he did not have the men nor the supplies to continue, and the Confederacy was in trouble elsewhere, so he made a voluntary retreat.

Well I doubt that the CSA would be able to get France on their side, but if say Britain had issues getting cotton from India and Egypt, they might be willing to put more pressure on the Americans. If the army of Northern Virginia was largely intact then they could have pressed onward and began a siege of Washington DC. If this is to happen we cannot presume that Sherman would march to the sea, Vicksburg certainly would have fallen, but if word reached that the capitol was being attacked the Western armies may have rushed to their aid instead of inflicting more losses on the Confederates.

Seriously though I doubt that a decisive victory in Gettysburg saves the Confederates, simply because of Vicksburg, now if Vicksburg had repulsed the Americans and Lee lost at Gettysburg then the Confederates could have won. Actually it could have served the Confederate cause better had they lost at Gettysburg since there would be less loss of life, since unlike the Union Generals, Lee wouldn't be willing to fight a defensive battle over a shoe factory.

A think a more interesting scenario is what happens if Lincoln and the Republicans lose the election of 1864....
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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Mar-2008 at 10:52
Newt Gingrich and William Forstchen have a trio of books on this.
 
 
I've read Gettysburg and thought it very good (no matter what I think of Gingrich's politics Clown ), but I haven't read Grant Comes East or Never Call Retreat, so I don't know how it comes out.
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